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Bismillah ir Arahman ir Rahim

Salamu Alaikum!

I was recently told, that for cases of molestation and rape, that if you don't fight and say something right away, then the lawful crime is Zina. 

But I am curious for children unable to say NO. 

Or for women who are frozen with fear. 

I am having a very hard time understanding this one. 

Shukran. 

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5 hours ago, MuslimahAK said:

I was recently told, that for cases of molestation and rape, that if you don't fight and say something right away, then the lawful crime is Zina. 

But I am curious for children unable to say NO. 

Or for women who are frozen with fear. 

Salam. Women in Taliban controlled areas are attacked and raped and then the man says it was consensual sex so the woman gets punished for luring the man to his zina. In Shia Islam if a rape occurs the victim would not be punished.

A person (man or woman) needs to be brave enough to scream if attacked. Teach your children how to say No if someone touches them. 

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A bit of a tangent...

There is this FB trend going on :

"Me,too."

It's supposed to draw attention to the enormity of the problem of the number of women who have been sexually assaulted, abused, or harassed.

I thought it was a unique idea.

Then, in one of my groups, it was suggested that men show solidarity by writing:

"#myfault"

I objected on the grounds that men can be harassed, assaulted, abused, etc. as well and that,mostly, that the majority of men I knew did not engage in that behavior or tolerate it. When we wrote " me, too" we were speaking of our own experiences. We could hardly expect a man to write something that did not apply to him or to answer for men that do those things.

So that idea was dumped, at least for our groups.

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11 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

:sign_offtopic:

A bit of a tangent...

There is this FB trend going on :

"Me,too."

It's supposed to draw attention to the enormity of the problem of the number of women who have been sexually assaulted, abused, or harassed.

I thought it was a unique idea.

Then, in one of my groups, it was suggested that men show solidarity by writing:

"#myfault"

I objected on the grounds that men can be harassed, assaulted, abused, etc. as well and that,mostly, that the majority of men I knew did not engage in that behavior or tolerate it. When we wrote " me, too" we were speaking of our own experiences. We could hardly expect a man to write something that did not apply to him or to answer for men that do those things.

So that idea was dumped, at least for our groups.

Thank God, that would have gotten pretty hairy fast. If you didn't perpetrate the crime or are a victim of somebody who has committed sexual crimes, it is not your fault. 

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12 hours ago, MuslimahAK said:

Bismillah ir Arahman ir Rahim

Salamu Alaikum!

I was recently told, that for cases of molestation and rape, that if you don't fight and say something right away, then the lawful crime is Zina. 

But I am curious for children unable to say NO. 

Or for women who are frozen with fear. 

I am having a very hard time understanding this one. 

Shukran. 

First of all, there are conditions for before punishing any wrongdoer::

1. Person must be above 18.

2. person must be sane.

3. person must be aware of punishment of such crime.

4. person must not be forced by any means to the crime.

5. person must be seen doing zina by the four witnesses to the extent that four witnesses be sure that the person engaged have fully committed zina....

I do not think so that people do it openly sister. I am getting goosebumps as to why not such people feel shame from Allah AWJ who is watching them. May Allah AWJ protect all humans from such heinous crimes.

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35 minutes ago, Sindbad05 said:

First of all, there are conditions for before punishing any wrongdoer::

1. Person must be above 18.

2. person must be sane.

3. person must be aware of punishment of such crime.

4. person must not be forced by any means to the crime.

5. person must be seen doing zina by the four witnesses to the extent that four witnesses be sure that the person engaged have fully committed zina....

I do not think so that people do it openly sister. I am getting goosebumps as to why not such people feel shame from Allah AWJ who is watching them. May Allah AWJ protect all humans from such heinous crimes.

For number one, it is not about whether someone is 18 or not, it is about whether they are baligh or not. They can be baligh and before 18.

For number three, person must be aware it is haram, he does not need to know the punishment. If someone is drinking wine and he knows it is haram but he does not know the punishment, he will still be punished.

For more, see Sayyed Al-Khoei's Minhaj Al-Saliheen; Kitab Al-Hudood.

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19 hours ago, MuslimahAK said:

I was recently told, that for cases of molestation and rape, that if you don't fight and say something right away, then the lawful crime is Zina. 

That's insane. Please tell us where you got that information so those of us who are so inclined can go refute it at the source!

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Well, this person, who I'll not mention has been Shi'a a little longer than I have. We were talking about a famous man who molested young boys. And he told me, that molestation can be consensual. I asked how. 

And he told me Imam Ali (a.s.) invested crimes of boys being molested. and because they did not fight it, then they were charged with zina.

And I am still having a hard time with this because some women and children, who are stuck in an abusive situation, have a hard time speaking up. The more they fight, the worse it will be. And they know from experience. 

So ..... its kind of difficult for me. Especially as multiple women in my family were molested and raped as tweens. 

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No, it's not right. This person has given you incorrect information. Only consensual sex is zina. Rape, coercion, and other forms of violence are never acceptable, no matter who the attacker. Perhaps the misunderstanding is rooted in the difficulty of proving an attack has occurred when it's one person's word against another. 

Certainly anyone who is being attacked should fight back and try to draw attention of bystanders, but it's not always possible. 

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