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38 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

Thank you for accepting that there are some from you here on shiachat. We know them & we will continue to know all in future In-sha Allah. 

The love of Ahlul Bayt (asws) produces furqan within ourselves. Noorun ala Noor

Surah As-Saff, Verse 8:
يُرِيدُونَ لِيُطْفِئُوا نُورَ اللَّهِ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَاللَّهُ مُتِمُّ نُورِهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْكَافِرُونَ

They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths but Allah will perfect His light, though the unbelievers may be averse.
(English - Shakir)

Surah As-Saff, Verse 9:
هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَىٰ وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ

He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion, that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them, though the polytheists may be averse.
(English - Shakir)

Yes, only you and those like you will get jannah Insha Allah. For the rest of us peasants, make dua.

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On 10/16/2017 at 4:51 PM, Natsu said:

SALAM 

i want to know why did the majority of the muslims didnt accept ali as their leader when prophet mohammaed (p.b.u.h)said “who follows me,follows ali”

The majority is always condemned in the verses of quran: like given below:

The Holy Quran has criticized the majority

In the following verses the Quran has condemned the view of the majority:

  1. And what reason have you that you should not eat of that on which Allah’s name has been mentioned, and He has already made plain to you what He has forbidden to you– excepting what you are compelled to; and most surely many would lead (people) astray by their low desires out of ignorance; surely your Lord– He best knows those who exceed the limits.

Surah Anaam (6): Verse 119

  1. And most of them do not follow (anything) but conjecture; surely conjecture will not avail aught against the truth; surely Allah is cognizant of what they do.

Surah Yunus (10): Verse 36

  1. And even if We had sent down to them the angels and the dead had spoken to them and We had brought together all things before them, they would not believe unless Allah pleases, but most of them are ignorant.

Surah An’aam (6): Verse 111

  1. Or do they say: There is madness in him? Nay! He has brought them the truth, and most of them are averse from the truth.

Surah Momenoon (23): Verses 70-71

  1. Most surely there is a sign in that, but most of them will not believe.

Surah Shoara (26): Verse 8

  1. And We did not find in most of them any (faithfulness to) covenant, and We found most of them to be certainly transgressors.

Surah Aaraaf (7): Verse 102

  1. Allah has not ordained (the classification of camels into) a bahirah or a saibah or a wasilah or a hami but those who disbelieve fabricate a lie against Allah, and most of them do not understand.

Surah Maaedah (5): Verse103

  1. A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Quran for a people who know. A herald of good news and a warner, but most of them turn aside so they hear not.

Surah Fusselat (41): Verses 3-4

  1. Or do you think that most of them do hear or understand? They are nothing but as cattle; nay, they are straying farther off from the path.

Surah Furqaan (25): Verse 44

  1. Or, have they taken gods besides Him? Say: Bring your proof; this is the reminder of those with me and the reminder of those before me. Nay! Most of them do not know the truth, so they turn aside.

Surah Anbiya (21): Verse 24

  1. And most men will not believe though you desire it eagerly.

Surah Yusuf (10): Verse 103

  1. He said: Surely he has been unjust to you in demanding your ewe (to add) to his own ewes; and most surely most of the partners act wrongfully towards one another, save those who believe and do good, and very few are they; and Dawood was sure that We had tried him, so he sought the protection of his Lord and he fell down bowing and turned time after time (to Him).

Surah Saba (34): Verse 24

  1. The Holy Quran has praised the minority

On the other hand, there are instances where the Holy Quran has praised the minority.

  1. And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel: You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.

Surah Baqarah (2): Verse 83

  1. And if We had prescribed for them: Lay down your lives or go forth from your homes, they would not have done it except a few of them; and if they had done what they were admonished, it would have certainly been better for them and best in strengthening (them).

Surah Nisa (4): Verse 66

  1. Therefore, for their breaking their covenant and their disbelief in the communications of Allah and their killing the prophets wrongfully and their saying: Our hearts are covered; nay! Allah set a seal upon them owing to their unbelief, so they shall not believe except a few.

Surah Nisa (4): Verse 155

  1. Until when Our command came and water came forth from the valley, We said: Carry in it two of all things, a pair, and your own family– except those against whom the word has already gone forth, and those who believe. And there believed not with him but a few.

Surah Hud (11): Verse 40

  1. But why were there not among the generations before you those possessing understanding, who should have forbidden the making of mischief in the earth, except a few of those whom We delivered from among them? And those who were unjust went after what they are made to enjoy of plenty, and they were guilty.

Surah Hud (11): Verse 116

  1. They made for him what he pleased of fortresses and images, and bowls (large) as watering-troughs and cooking-pots that will not move from their place; give thanks, O family of Dawood! And very few of My servants are grateful.

Surah Saba (34): Verse 13

  1. He said: Surely he has been unjust to you in demanding your ewe (to add) to his own ewes; and most surely most of the partners act wrongfully towards one another, save those who believe and do good, and very few are they; and Dawood was sure that We had tried him, so he sought the protection of his Lord and he fell down bowing and turned time after time (to Him).

Surah Swaad (38): Verse 24

Thus it is confirmed by the verses of quran that majority always make decisions that are away from the truth like they neglected Imam Ali As against the order of the prophet saaw and followed their vain desires.

 

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On 2/8/2018 at 12:20 PM, skyweb1987 said:

The majority is always condemned in the verses of quran: like given below:

The Holy Quran has criticized the majority

In the following verses the Quran has condemned the view of the majority:

  1. And what reason have you that you should not eat of that on which Allah’s name has been mentioned, and He has already made plain to you what He has forbidden to you– excepting what you are compelled to; and most surely many would lead (people) astray by their low desires out of ignorance; surely your Lord– He best knows those who exceed the limits.

Surah Anaam (6): Verse 119

  1. And most of them do not follow (anything) but conjecture; surely conjecture will not avail aught against the truth; surely Allah is cognizant of what they do.

Surah Yunus (10): Verse 36

  1. And even if We had sent down to them the angels and the dead had spoken to them and We had brought together all things before them, they would not believe unless Allah pleases, but most of them are ignorant.

Surah An’aam (6): Verse 111

  1. Or do they say: There is madness in him? Nay! He has brought them the truth, and most of them are averse from the truth.

Surah Momenoon (23): Verses 70-71

  1. Most surely there is a sign in that, but most of them will not believe.

Surah Shoara (26): Verse 8

  1. And We did not find in most of them any (faithfulness to) covenant, and We found most of them to be certainly transgressors.

Surah Aaraaf (7): Verse 102

  1. Allah has not ordained (the classification of camels into) a bahirah or a saibah or a wasilah or a hami but those who disbelieve fabricate a lie against Allah, and most of them do not understand.

Surah Maaedah (5): Verse103

  1. A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Quran for a people who know. A herald of good news and a warner, but most of them turn aside so they hear not.

Surah Fusselat (41): Verses 3-4

  1. Or do you think that most of them do hear or understand? They are nothing but as cattle; nay, they are straying farther off from the path.

Surah Furqaan (25): Verse 44

  1. Or, have they taken gods besides Him? Say: Bring your proof; this is the reminder of those with me and the reminder of those before me. Nay! Most of them do not know the truth, so they turn aside.

Surah Anbiya (21): Verse 24

  1. And most men will not believe though you desire it eagerly.

Surah Yusuf (10): Verse 103

  1. He said: Surely he has been unjust to you in demanding your ewe (to add) to his own ewes; and most surely most of the partners act wrongfully towards one another, save those who believe and do good, and very few are they; and Dawood was sure that We had tried him, so he sought the protection of his Lord and he fell down bowing and turned time after time (to Him).

Surah Saba (34): Verse 24

  1. The Holy Quran has praised the minority

On the other hand, there are instances where the Holy Quran has praised the minority.

  1. And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel: You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.

Surah Baqarah (2): Verse 83

  1. And if We had prescribed for them: Lay down your lives or go forth from your homes, they would not have done it except a few of them; and if they had done what they were admonished, it would have certainly been better for them and best in strengthening (them).

Surah Nisa (4): Verse 66

  1. Therefore, for their breaking their covenant and their disbelief in the communications of Allah and their killing the prophets wrongfully and their saying: Our hearts are covered; nay! Allah set a seal upon them owing to their unbelief, so they shall not believe except a few.

Surah Nisa (4): Verse 155

  1. Until when Our command came and water came forth from the valley, We said: Carry in it two of all things, a pair, and your own family– except those against whom the word has already gone forth, and those who believe. And there believed not with him but a few.

Surah Hud (11): Verse 40

  1. But why were there not among the generations before you those possessing understanding, who should have forbidden the making of mischief in the earth, except a few of those whom We delivered from among them? And those who were unjust went after what they are made to enjoy of plenty, and they were guilty.

Surah Hud (11): Verse 116

  1. They made for him what he pleased of fortresses and images, and bowls (large) as watering-troughs and cooking-pots that will not move from their place; give thanks, O family of Dawood! And very few of My servants are grateful.

Surah Saba (34): Verse 13

  1. He said: Surely he has been unjust to you in demanding your ewe (to add) to his own ewes; and most surely most of the partners act wrongfully towards one another, save those who believe and do good, and very few are they; and Dawood was sure that We had tried him, so he sought the protection of his Lord and he fell down bowing and turned time after time (to Him).

Surah Swaad (38): Verse 24

Thus it is confirmed by the verses of quran that majority always make decisions that are away from the truth like they neglected Imam Ali As against the order of the prophet saaw and followed their vain desires.

Thank you but my question was that why did they even make that decision?u know like why did they reject ali in the first place IT WAS ALREADY SAID TO THEM BY THE PROPHET (P.B.U.H)HIMSELF  but i dont get why they decided to go to abu bakr instead

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On 2/8/2018 at 11:23 AM, realizm said:

:salam:

That's a whole new opinion here. 

This is not new opinion. If you look at the sunni literature you will find Muawiyah  brought about several innovations. Worse was making his son king forcibly . That is something , which if a person has even an iota of knowledge will never absolve Muawiyah of. Today what we are watching in Saudi Arabia is the result of Muawiyah.  Yazeed , and rest of the cruel , sinful rulers who came later were part of the system ,  the person who started  this was Muawiyah. 

Remember if someone does something good and later it is followed , the person will get reward even after his dead ,  but in same way if someone starts something wrong , he will get bad deeds after death also. 

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6 hours ago, Russel Ahmed said:

This is not new opinion. If you look at the sunni literature you will find Muawiyah  brought about several innovations. Worse was making his son king forcibly . That is something , which if a person has even an iota of knowledge will never absolve Muawiyah of. Today what we are watching in Saudi Arabia is the result of Muawiyah.  Yazeed , and rest of the cruel , sinful rulers who came later were part of the system ,  the person who started  this was Muawiyah. 

Remember if someone does something good and later it is followed , the person will get reward even after his dead ,  but in same way if someone starts something wrong , he will get bad deeds after death also. 

:salam:

I agree with you, I felt you undermined Yazid's responsability, hence my comment.

Being born in a wrong path does not protect you from Allah's wrath, especially when you sit on the throne of the Caliph and you kill the Progeny of the Prophet (sawas).

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it easy to take one hadith and paint the whole thing with it. but its not so simple. Surely that sahabas of the time knew more hadiths and authentic ones that us. they also knew the context and if so was the case than surely without ease he would've been elected. So we cant just take one hadith. and  If the prophet really said he was the ruler, than the sahabas and the people would have followed what he said. Some hadith are not authentic in both sunni and shia books.       

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On 4/2/2018 at 5:25 AM, realizm said:

:salam:

I agree with you, I felt you undermined Yazid's responsability, hence my comment.

Being born in a wrong path does not protect you from Allah's wrath, especially when you sit on the throne of the Caliph and you kill the Progeny of the Prophet (sawas).

No , I do not justify Yazeed or his actions. But Look at Yazeed Background. His mother was Christian , and he lived with them in his formative years , what Islam and respect for prophet and Ahle Bayat Do you expect from him ?  

Muawiyah was a companion , and despite that did such things , He is under more trouble. 

Trust me Muawiyah was THE father of Yazeed. 

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On 4/8/2018 at 4:42 AM, Tamashbin said:

it easy to take one hadith and paint the whole thing with it. but its not so simple. Surely that sahabas of the time knew more hadiths and authentic ones that us. they also knew the context and if so was the case than surely without ease he would've been elected. So we cant just take one hadith. and  If the prophet really said he was the ruler, than the sahabas and the people would have followed what he said. Some hadith are not authentic in both sunni and shia books.       

You seem to be spreading false assumptions and conjectures There is no response from your side on the posts replying in your similar thread.

The link is quoted as below:

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On 08/04/2018 at 4:42 PM, Tamashbin said:

 If the prophet really said he was the ruler, than the sahabas and the people would have followed what he said.

Sahabas are just regular human beings like us, they can be ignorant, egoistic, arrogant etc. Therefore your argument is very flawed.

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On 10/16/2017 at 11:51 AM, Natsu said:

SALAM 

i want to know why did the majority of the muslims didnt accept ali as their leader when prophet mohammaed (p.b.u.h)said “who follows me,follows ali”

BECAUSE their leader at that time was Prophet Muhammad (saw), so Ali (as) could not have been a 'leader' in the sense of a ruler at the same time. When Ali's time came, then he was accepted as a ruler by majority of Muslims.

So, this leaves us with interpreting the above quote as Ali (as) being a righteous person to follow, as identified by the prophet (saw).

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seriously almost everyone that time after Power Money why would they choose Imam Ali AS when other gave them bribery and Imam Ali AS was not intrested in this world Power or something like that and one thing more i want to add that most of the sunnis worldwide doesnt even know what happened after Prophet Muhammad Saww they were not told either so its their scholars fault many sunnis dont even know that how many years did their 3 famous caliph ruled abu bakr omar uthman and dont even know their history they only heard that they were good person but they dont know about them so how can they claim to love them secondly many sunnis know more about Ahlulbayt AS then they know about abu bakr omar uthman etc Muslims were decieved after Prophet Muhammad Saww only who followed Ahlulbayt AS were guided till now you can see it

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On 2/6/2018 at 9:44 PM, Russel Ahmed said:

The biggest fraud of History has been to bring name of Yazeed and curse him and finish the matter.  Imam Hussain  was not against Yazeed doing bad things , having alcohol  etc . Imam Hussain was against the system that Muawiyah started. 

You need to look at 20 years rule of Muawiyah and the changes he brought . Yazeed was absolutely nothing in front of what Muawiyah did.  When people wrote letters against Muawiyah to Imam Hussain , and Muawiyah through his spies heard that. He wrote to Hussain that do not create any fitna and stick with treaty your brother made. Imam replied that what can be greater fitna than a person like you ruling. Imam continued,  that the things you are doing makes jihad against you obligatory , and I do not know how I will answer in front of Allah that I am not fighting you. Only the last clause of the treaty is left , lets see what you do ( he was reffering to the fact that Muawiyah should not make anyone heir ) , but Muawiyah broke even that, and forcefully made his son the king , through sword and bribe. 

You sound like the late maulana ishaq..r.a 

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On 5/11/2018 at 6:04 PM, Panzerwaffe said:

You sound like the late maulana ishaq..r.a 

Maybe .  But point is that if you have to look at disintegration of Khilafat you have to look at rule of Muawiyah. There is no other way.  I am not against any personality , I am against the system that Muawiyah initiated. When we speak about Imam Mahdi AS , we need to educate people where exactly things went wrong. 

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On 10/16/2017 at 7:51 AM, Natsu said:

SALAM 

i want to know why did the majority of the muslims didnt accept ali as their leader when prophet mohammaed (p.b.u.h)said “who follows me,follows ali”

Because they were ignorant, and many were threatened with death by Abu Bakr (la), Uthman (la), Umar (la) etc.

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On 5/13/2018 at 7:10 PM, Panzerwaffe said:

I agree , I think maulana ishaq was shaky ul Islam 

His students say  books were afraid of him :grin:

He was truly unbiased scholar , also , very important reason was he was financially well off .  If he was not and was attached to Mosque to earn money then he would never be able to speak the truth. Truly great man , the work he did to bring all Muslim sects together was extraordinary . Also , the   way he defended Imam Hassan peace treaty with Muawiyah  was ground breaking.   One guy saw him in dream after his death , and saw him in lush green background. That person asked him " Moiulana  where are you ?" . Moulana said I am with them whom I defended whole life "  ( He was  pointing towards ahle bayat ) 

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6 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

That made me cry 

Inshallah maulana is with rasool e pak and ahlebayt

Its very important to understand why exactly Imam Hassan  accepted peace treaty with Muawiyah.  On the hindsight many people at that time and throughout history have been critical of that decision. many make it excuse to say that Imam hassan considered Muawiyah to be right  that is why he did it , this is not correct. Even prophet Muhammad did treaty with Mushriks . 

Another thing which people often hide is that just like any other treaty  this also had some points and conditions. Unfortunately Muawiyah did not fulfill anyone of them ,  its up to Moulvis to go and find out what did prophet tell about people who broke promises . 

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