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30 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Mormon founder Joseph Smith says he found his on golden tablets.

so where are the golden plates now they are worth seeing

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^ oh, that's my question, too. Apparently they've been taken back into heaven, depending on whom you ask. But Millions of people who call themselves "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" seem to think that is a good explanation.

I don't, so it's not my religion. 

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9 hours ago, father said:

leftcoastmom

what other religion teaches how to walk talk eat drink or even sleep? islam is a complete guide

@father,  do you think we need religion to tell us how to do these things?  To eat, drink, and sleep?

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4 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

@father,  do you think we need religion to tell us how to do these things?  To eat, drink, and sleep?

whats wrong if a religion teaches you to walk humbly, talk in a low tone, drink with right hand catch breath, eat slow and chew the food properly, eat with right hand, wash your hands, say bismillah

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19 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

@@M.IB, I looked into it. You've been mislead. The Hebrew word there is "אתמך," not "אחמד." Notice the subtle differences in the third character (namely, the serifs). The word Ahmed is not found there in the Bible. 

 Jews in the time of Jesus spoke Aramaic, which is very similar to Arabic. 

Ahmad means "praised one", Muhammad is a variation of the name Ahmad.

 

19 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

 

I did watch the video, it is making ENORMOUS assumptions, and all from a VERY grainy image.  

Hebrew/Aramaic both have influenced on the Qumran cave and Dead sea scrolls scriptures.

Enormous is not to be used here, the people explaining here where speaking of Hebrew and Aramaic grammar, this "grainy" image can do much stuff, it is irrelevant, we are talking about scrolls that go back to 3,000/2,000+ years according to carbon dating.

19 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

1 - if you read the Old Testament, it portrays the Israelites as consistently terrible and faithless in their obedience to God. If the Jews were to want to change anything, they would have cleaned it up to make themselves look better. That would have been priority one. Since they were not willing to do even that, what possible motive would they have for cutting out a name?

 

Same reason why prophecies of Jesus remained :) 

 

19 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

2 - Note, the name of Cyrus was mentioned hundreds of years before his birth, and it was not removed. You would need to find a logical reason that the Israelites would leave Cyrus but cut Ahmad, that would also take into account their demonstrated fidelity to preserving the text to their own detriment  (see 1)

How is he exactly mentioned before? Evidences?

Nebuchadnezzar II  (Babylonian captivity, it is known that Jews included many stuff when they reached to Babylon after the destruction of Jerusalem )

Born c. 634 BC
Died

c. 562 BC (aged 71 or 72)

 

Cyrus the Great (Returning of Israelites)

Born c. 598-600 BC
Died c. 530 BC

 

See the difference? Hundreds of years turned out to be less than 35 years. I don't think you actually mean it. Hence this point is irrelevant.

19 hours ago, thegoodman81 said:

3 - The servant is discussed and described elsewhere. Nowhere else does it utilize the same terminology  (Ahmad or the one I uphold). If the phrase is "whom I uphold," it makes sense that it only appears here because the servant is continually described in different ways. If it were a name, it seems likely that it would have been repeated to assure us that the servant discussed here is the same as discussed elsewhere.

 

Yes the same servant who was to open Paran(modern Mecca according to many Historians and even pre-Islamic traditions) with 10,000 saints. Muhammad (sawa) opened Mecca with 10,000 companion after many times of Meccans breaking the peace treaties. 

He would hove a law, he had the Qur'an. 

The same one whom was the spirit of Truth promised by Jesus/Isa (as) to come AFTER him, he shall guide you into all the truths, he will not speak of his own, but the words that the Father will put in his mouths.

 

I will demonstrate some of the evidences in the Bible , and how he is the Final and Special Prophet that was going to be sent to all of mankind, according to the Bible itself. The Bible in the Old and New Testaments made DIRECT Prophecies about:

The Prophet who will come from the "EAST". The Bible defined "EAST" to mean Arabia, and the lands of Kedar and Teman (Saudi Arabia today).


The Prophet who will come from "Arabia". (Makkah and Madina)


The Prophet who will come from the lands and "tents of Kedar" and "lands of Teman". Kedar and Teman (also called "Tema" in the Bible) are two of Ishmael's sons: Genesis 25:13-15. (Prophet Muhammad (sawa) was from Kedar).


The Prophet who will "crush the idols of the deserts of Kedar". (Destroying the idols of Hubal and al-Lat and al-'Uzza the pagan gods Mecca)


The Prophet who will "fight the idol worshipers" in the deserts of Kedar. (e.g: Battles of Badr, Uhud, Mecca)


The people of Kedar will Glorify GOD Almighty, and GOD will Glorify His Holy Temple "in Kedar".
"Arabia will rejoice and blossom". (Arabians started shouting "Tala'al Badru 'alayna" when the Prophet immigrated to Madina) [His Holy temple, Ka'bah, which is in the valley of Bakkah(old name of Makkah), blessed are those who dwell in your house(Ka'bah, with SPRINGS(Zamzam wells))]


The Prophet who will come from the "Desert". Again, the Bible also defined the "Desert" to mean the lands of Arabia, Kedar and Teman. 


The Prophet of the "New Law" & "New Covenant", whom the Jews "must not fear".New law = Qur'an, New covenant = Ishmaelite covenant after the Israelites didn't respond for their last Prophet Jesus).


The Prophet who is "like Moses". Both Muhammad (sawa) and Moses (as) brought new Laws. There is the Law of Moses, which the entire Torah/Bible is built on, and there is the Law of the Holy Qur'an, which Islam is built on.

the reason Jesus (as) is nor the Prophet is that he was Israelites not from their brethren (the Ishmaelites, like Muhammad (sawa)). Jesus (as) had a miraculous birth and died on the cross(according to Christians). But Moses and Muhammad (pbut) were normally born and died normal death of natural causes.

Wassalam :) 

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3 hours ago, father said:

whats wrong if a religion teaches you to walk humbly, talk in a low tone, drink with right hand catch breath, eat slow and chew the food properly, eat with right hand, wash your hands, say bismillah

Do all Muslims eat and drink with the right hand? Also those born lefthanded?

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37 minutes ago, father said:

what i have seen they do

Is there any known reason for the Quran demanding this?

And do all lefthanded Muslims also write with right hand?

Edited by andres

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I don't understand the urge to convince people to take any particular belief system. I believe in a just and merciful God: as long as the person is sincerely attempting to submit to God, they will be judged accordingly, regardless of whether they have it exactly right or not. 

Just read. Sincerely seek, ask questions, and don't let fear or prejudice prevent you from doing what you know is correct. We will all end up where we belong. 

This idea that God will only accept those who belong to some particular group is illogical and dehumanizing. 

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6 hours ago, father said:

whats wrong if a religion teaches you to walk humbly, talk in a low tone, drink with right hand catch breath, eat slow and chew the food properly, eat with right hand, wash your hands, say bismillah

There's nothing wrong with it, it's just unnecessary for salvation  or even  enhancing ones faith in Christian eyes. 

 I also don't have to worry about what I eat or if my prayers are " accepted" or " valid" or a whole plethora of other things. 

Edited by LeftCoastMom

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1 hour ago, andres said:

Is there any known reason for the Quran demanding this?

well i think it is prefered over left hand

The Prophet also performed various activities with his right hand. While mentioning the noble manners of the Prophet, Tabarsi has said:

And the right hand of the Prophet was for eating, drinking, taking, and giving. He did not take except with the right hand, and did not give except with the right hand. And his left hand was for other activities. He liked “tayammun” (acting by the right hand) in everything he did, such as putting on clothes, putting on shoes, moving objects, etc.

According to a narration, Imam Sadiq narrates from his ancestors that the Prophet discouraged eating and drinking with the left hand.There is another narration that indicates the emphasis that the Prophet put on this matter.

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1 minute ago, LeftCoastMom said:

^ fair enough...then what is the purpose?

he asked me 

do you think we need religion to tell us how to do these things?

i said there is nothing wron with it

 

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2 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

^ fair enough...then what is the purpose?

In some cases, simply to emulate the behavior of admired persons. In others where the action is recommended or required, it's an act of obedience, for the purpose of maintaining humility. 

A person won't be damned for eating pork, but they might be damned for willful and arrogant disobedience to The Creator. 

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37 minutes ago, father said:

well i think it is prefered over left hand

The Prophet also performed various activities with his right hand. While mentioning the noble manners of the Prophet, Tabarsi has said:

And the right hand of the Prophet was for eating, drinking, taking, and giving. He did not take except with the right hand, and did not give except with the right hand. And his left hand was for other activities. He liked “tayammun” (acting by the right hand) in everything he did, such as putting on clothes, putting on shoes, moving objects, etc.

According to a narration, Imam Sadiq narrates from his ancestors that the Prophet discouraged eating and drinking with the left hand.There is another narration that indicates the emphasis that the Prophet put on this matter.

So the Prophet was righthanded. Most humans are. Lefthanded persons nature is to do the opposite.

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10 minutes ago, father said:

he asked me 

do you think we need religion to tell us how to do these things?

i said there is nothing wron with it

 

Thanks. I don't think there is anything wrong with it, but I didn't know why you did it.

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10 minutes ago, notme said:

In some cases, simply to emulate the behavior of admired persons. In others where the action is recommended or required, it's an act of obedience, for the purpose of maintaining humility. 

A person won't be damned for eating pork, but they might be damned for willful and arrogant disobedience to The Creator. 

Good answer.....But we have a difference of ideas about what's required , forbidden, etc. (Fortunately for my son-in-law, I don't like pork.)

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