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9 hours ago, Laayla said:

People want to numb their problems.  

Drugs doesn't solve the problem.

Talking and getting to the root of the problem will help you sort out your feelings.

This is "why" as a general rule l do not like counseling, psychology and other conversations of the whiney kind.

How about "sort out a solution" ?

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On 10/30/2017 at 4:24 PM, Khudi said:

There's been decades of work and research done before a medicine gets approval to hit the market.

Decades of research funded by drug companies out to make money. You will be surprised if you get to know how big a mafia the pharmaceutical industry really is.

I am a doctor and I am telling you, our primary objective is to make money not help people,simple as that. There are good selfless doctors out there and few heartless ones too but most of us are like, you get the medication(temporary relief) we get the money so it's a win-win thing. 

I have never,I repeat NEVER seen a psychiatrist telling a patient,'you are cured, from now on you are completely off medication'. On the contrary I know a number of people like @kirtc who decided to quit medication and are doing fine(me being one, I went cold turkey one day after being on a cocktail of psychiatric drugs for more than a year,never looked back despite going through some very stressful times). Having said this,I am not implying that there is no use for psychiatric medication.Are there people who can benefit from them? Yes. 

Are they injudiciously advised? Most of the times. 

On 11/3/2017 at 4:07 PM, rkazmi33 said:

I always thought you get antidepressants after some long session with psychiatrist but my doctor asked me few questions and wrote the prescription. 

That's what I thought too years back before I studied pharmacology. Then I knew that there are just three groups of psychiatric medications: Anti anxiety, anti psychotics and anti depressants with a total of about twenty medicines lolz so there is zero rocket science, pondering or careful decision making involved while writing the prescription. 90% of times the doctor has decided in the first 60 seconds what exactly is he going to prescribe. 

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On 11/3/2017 at 4:07 PM, rkazmi33 said:

I just started using Lexapro. I am very emotional person and it makes me less emotional. I feel very numb and I like that. I also get more positive thoughts after taking it. I hope if I keep using it, I will also be able to get rid of my anger. I always thought you get antidepressants after some long session with psychiatrist but my doctor asked me few questions and wrote the prescription. 

congratulations you are now hooked on drugs instead of naturally learning to deal with your anger and maturing mentally.

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Repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation (rTMS) is a form of brain stimulation therapy used to treat depression and anxiety. It has been in use since 1985. The therapy involves using a magnet to target and stimulate certain areas of the brain.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved rTMS as a treatment for major depression when other treatments haven’t been effective. Sometimes doctors use rTMS in addition to traditional treatments.

Though rTMS has been available for more than 30 years, there isn’t much data on its long-term success. Some people with depression credit it with dramatically reducing their symptoms. Others say it’s had little effect on their condition. Comedian Neal Brennan, the cocreator of “The Chappelle Show,” has spoken out about undergoing rTMS treatments and how they helped his depression. In March 2016, he told Trevor Noah of “The Daily Show” that rTMS “did more for my depression than anything I’ve ever done.”

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I think that most people are non-emotional. They attack, taunt and fight with each other and go back to being normal the next day. But emotional people cannot go back to being normal. They get hurt, therefore they need medications which make them less emotional. There's no use of talking about my problems because there is no problem. People create problems and we have been talking about same problems for years and we can keep talking for years, it won't solve anything. 

I have seen members of scientology (Tom Cruise) making speeches against drugs and scientology doesn't treat people very well. I have heard they make people go through sessions where one person keeps abusing and insulting another person until the other person stops showing any reaction. 

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10 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Sometimes, "depression" is not the clinical kind but emotional exhaustion.

Emotional exhaustion is different from depression, and what the OP is describing is clinical depression. 

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On 11/4/2017 at 10:41 AM, rkazmi33 said:

I have seen members of scientology (Tom Cruise) making speeches against drugs and scientology doesn't treat people very well. I have heard they make people go through sessions where one person keeps abusing and insulting another person until the other person stops showing any reaction. 

But isnt it a dangerous approach? Doesnt it cause damage to the person's self-esteem and if people become less emotional, wont they become indifferent to others' suffering?

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It's important to  remember that sadness and depression are two VERY different things. Sadness is a general feeling that everyone feels. It is part of human psychology. Depression is an ILLNESS. not a feeling. Just like any other illness like cancer, diabetes or a flu.

Depression is when your body isn't producing/releasing the "happy" hormones.

Of course, there are a number of causes and cures for depression. Like nearly every illness, it is a mix of genetic and environmental factors alike. So we can never say to someone "why" or "when". You wouldn't ask a person with cancer why they have cancer, right?

The brain is the most complex and arguably vital part of our body. So why is it illnesses involving it are always stigmatized in such away.

Stay strong brother. It is nothing to be afraid of, nor ashamed of. Allah is the remover of all burdens. Our thoughts and prayers are with you :)

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16 hours ago, hasanhh said:

This is "why" as a general rule l do not like counseling, psychology and other conversations of the whiney kind.

How about "sort out a solution" ?

The two go hand in hand. What you call "whiney" conversations may be the solution for severe psychological damage, which in turn is a solution for everything else. It's like a knock on affect

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2 hours ago, shadow_of_light said:

But isnt it a dangerous approach? Doesnt it cause damage to the person's self-esteem and if people become less emotional, wont they become indifferent to others' suffering?

Well scientology is a cult like religion, they have many abusive practices. But this approach is used by many cultures which claim to raise tough/strong kids. I agree this approach makes people cruel. 

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Just now, rkazmi33 said:

Well scientology is a cult like religion, they have many abusive practices. But this approach is used by many cultures which claim to raise tough/strong kids. I agree this approach makes people cruel. 

Lol this is basically how i was raised :hahaha: constant taunting, aka "character building".

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On Friday, November 03, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Laayla said:

People want to numb their problems.  

Drugs doesn't solve the problem.

Talking and getting to the root of the problem will help you sort out your feelings.

Medications do NOT numb problems. The thing is, when it gets to the point of having to take medication, it means it runs alot deeper than just feelings and speaking about them. This is when it is a genuine medical problem. Your brain is not producing the right amount of hormones.

Take a flu for an example. It may last a week, and you hope it gets better. But sometimes, you get those really nasty flus that just won't go away, even after a few weeks. Do you just decide to leave it, or talk about how the flu is making you feel? No. You go to the doctor and maybe get some anti-biotics

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On Sunday, November 05, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Afsaneh14 said:

Medications do NOT numb problems. The thing is, when it gets to the point of having to take medication, it means it runs alot deeper than just feelings and speaking about them. This is when it is a genuine medical problem. Your brain is not producing the right amount of hormones.

Take a flu for an example. It may last a week, and you hope it gets better. But sometimes, you get those really nasty flus that just won't go away, even after a few weeks. Do you just decide to leave it, or talk about how the flu is making you feel? No. You go to the doctor and maybe get some anti-biotics

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum 

Please watch video.  Also, read what sister @starlight posted.  I trust the experts on this issue.

God bless you.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

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On 11/7/2017 at 6:22 AM, Laayla said:

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum 

Please watch video.  Also, read what sister @starlight posted.  I trust the experts on this issue.

God bless you.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

As a person suffering from Bipolar Depression and uses medication, I will tell you this: they do NOT numb emotions. They help you gain clarity and when it becomes severe, medication is sometimes the only option. I can, Alhamdulilah, function now because I got treatment and no longer on the brink of suicide. 

My parents, like you, were against medication until I landed in an inpatient center because I was a danger to myself. They kept saying that depression doesn’t exist and to be patient, etc., and didn’t believe depression to be a real mental disorder, until it was almost too late.

Depression is a REAL illness. Yes, there are quacks and cons out there who want to make profit, but when depression is as severe as the OP to the point of him being nonfunctional (and if he doesn’t receive treatment it will only get worse.) medication and therapy is needed at that point.

No one should wait to receive treatment for depression until he or she has suicidal thoughts. 

And I don’t think you understand the gravity of depression. 

I’ve seen this video before and let me tell you: i was my most vulnerable when I was depressed. Too vulnerable. I have no problem with being vulnerable, and this video doesn’t apply to those with severe mental disorders.

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On 11/7/2017 at 6:22 AM, Laayla said:

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum 

Please watch video.  Also, read what sister @starlight posted.  I trust the experts on this issue.

God bless you.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

Salaam alaikum, 

Starlight is absolutely right but that doesn't make medication any less valid. As for the video, I don't think that applies to people with severe mental disorders like Islands said.

Please reconsider and don't be so quick to dismiss depression, anxiety or bipolar disorder as nonexistent. It is much deeper than the sadness, anxiety or emotional turmoil we feel. You do a disservice to the Ummah by saying that mental illness doesn't exist and we should just pray it away.

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On 11/7/2017 at 6:22 AM, Laayla said:

Please watch video.  Also, read what sister @starlight posted.  I trust the experts on this issue.

I agree with what everyone else is saying. The video is completely injust looking from the viewpoint of a person with mental illness. And it is sad, because people just don't seen to realize the gravity of illnesses like depression

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On Friday, November 03, 2017 at 10:07 PM, rkazmi33 said:

I just started using Lexapro. I am very emotional person and it makes me less emotional. I feel very numb and I like that. I also get more positive thoughts after taking it. I hope if I keep using it, I will also be able to get rid of my anger. I always thought you get antidepressants after some long session with psychiatrist but my doctor asked me few questions and wrote the prescription. 

Bismehe Ta3ala 

Assalam Alikum 

My condolences to you all for Sayyid as shuhada2 our beloved Imam Hussain 3la salam.  

Using the word numb was not my words but @rkazmi33 Reread what he said above.

I put the video, if you don't want to watch the whole thing start at 15:19 to indicate how numbing your problems won't solve anything.  These emotions can't magically disappear by taking drugs.

Alhamd'Allah we have examples of people who did take these drugs and got off of them.  You can confront your problems and face them head on  or you can continue temporarily put your problems on hold while taking drugs.  

Each and every one of us face battles.  We either fight a good fight, fall and get right back up, keep trying, or stay on the floor and wait until you are strong enough to face your enemy or in this case your problems.

Constant negative thought needs to be changed to gratitude.  I'm convinced that our religion has the solution for every problem.  Duas is our weapon, quran cures mind, body, and soul and Ahulbayt always show their karamat.

Our martyrs families live after the death of a father, son, brother, husband.  It would be unfair if I said all, so I will say most are not on drugs, their comfort is Allah.  What keeps them going is Imam Hussain and the mountain of patience Sayyida Zaynab and of course patience that Allah has instilled in them.

They do ziyarats to Sayyida Zaynab and Imams  and attend majalis.  Remove your hearts from love of this life.  Reprioritize what is important and how our lives was not created for this world but the Hereafter.  Our focus and goal should be how do we save ourselves from hellfire and do as much good works in this temporary life.  Because now it is the stage of action without punishment, after death it is a day of accountability with no good works available.

I speak to myself first and this is a reminder for me to practice what I'm saying.  I do realize each day is a struggle and some of us have medical conditions and health problems.  God cure every sickness and help us in every step of the way.  Please Allah do not take us from this dunya until you are pleased with us.  My reply is just to motivate and encourage a change of thinking.  I do not know what is going on in your personal lives.  Allah swt help you in your difficulties and give you strength and energy to overcome your illness.  

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

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The woman in the video is a social worker - not a specialist in brain chemistry or psychiatric disorders.  It is important for those with mental health disorders to follow the advice of their medical professional - not "experts" on online forums or youtube videos.  If you are questioning your treatment, seek advice from another certified professional in the mental health field.  Mental health issues are very real and can be life threatening. There is a culture (especially from Asia) that does not recognize the seriousness of a brain disorder and because they cannot tangibly see this disorder and don't understand it they judge the individual and then dismiss the chemical imbalance as a personal weakness of the afflicted.  Would you listen to someone who told you to stop taking insulin after you have been diagnosed with diabetes?  Brain chemistry deficits are just as real (and again, can be just as deadly) as pancreas chemistry deficits.

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20 hours ago, Laayla said:

Using the word numb was not my words but @rkazmi33 Reread what he said above.

I put the video, if you don't want to watch the whole thing start at 15:19 to indicate how numbing your problems won't solve anything.  These emotions can't magically disappear by taking drugs.

Alhamd'Allah we have examples of people who did take these drugs and got off of them.  You can confront your problems and face them head on  or you can continue temporarily put your problems on hold while taking drugs.  

Each and every one of us face battles.  We either fight a good fight, fall and get right back up, keep trying, or stay on the floor and wait until you are strong enough to face your enemy or in this case your problems.

Constant negative thought needs to be changed to gratitude.  I'm convinced that our religion has the solution for every problem.  Duas is our weapon, quran cures mind, body, and soul and Ahulbayt always show their karamat.

Our martyrs families live after the death of a father, son, brother, husband.  It would be unfair if I said all, so I will say most are not on drugs, their comfort is Allah.  What keeps them going is Imam Hussain and the mountain of patience Sayyida Zaynab and of course patience that Allah has instilled in them.

They do ziyarats to Sayyida Zaynab and Imams  and attend majalis.  Remove your hearts from love of this life.  Reprioritize what is important and how our lives was not created for this world but the Hereafter.  Our focus and goal should be how do we save ourselves from hellfire and do as much good works in this temporary life.  Because now it is the stage of action without punishment, after death it is a day of accountability with no good works available.

I speak to myself first and this is a reminder for me to practice what I'm saying.  I do realize each day is a struggle and some of us have medical conditions and health problems.  God cure every sickness and help us in every step of the way.  Please Allah do not take us from this dunya until you are pleased with us.  My reply is just to motivate and encourage a change of thinking.  I do not know what is going on in your personal lives.  Allah swt help you in your difficulties and give you strength and energy to overcome your illness.  

You need to stop being so stubborn and realize that serious chemical imbalances need to be treated with medication.  Not everything can magically be cured by praying or adjusting mental attitudes.  It is highly insensitive to people suffering from severe depression and other mental illness to keep suggesting it all can be cured without medication.  You are regurgitating the same nonsensical arguments ever present in our communities.  And no, some 20 min YouTube video isn't going to flip scientific consensus on its head.

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@King and @forte

Thank you so much for your responses, because someone like me, who needs to take medication for life, is constantly fighting against the stigma for Bipolar Disorder and the stigma against mental illness. Thank you both for explaining what I’ve wanted to say regarding the matter. 

And as a Bipolar Disorder sufferer, it’s hurtful to see the backward thinking on mental illness. Inshallah the few who oppose medication at all costs will come to their senses. 

@Laayla Btw, Starlight did mention in her post that medication is necessary for some individuals. In case you missed it, re-read her post. 

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On 11/4/2017 at 3:10 AM, starlight said:

Having said this,I am not implying that there is no use for psychiatric medication.Are there people who can benefit from them? Yes. 

@Laayla: found it for you. ^

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2 minutes ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

@King and @forte

Thank you so much for your responses, because someone like me, who needs to take medication for life, is constantly fighting against the stigma for Bipolar Disorder and the stigma against mental illness. Thank you both for explaining what I’ve wanted to say regarding the matter. 

And as a Bipolar Disorder sufferer, it’s hurtful to see the backward thinking on mental illness. Inshallah the few who oppose medication at all costs will come to their senses. 

@Laayla Btw, Starlight did mention in her post that medication is necessary for some individuals. In case you missed it, re-read her post. 

Congrats to you for having the courage to stand up against this cultural stigma.  Thankfully, this ignorance is slowly but surely waning.  

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