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8 hours ago, shuaybi said:

The hadith of the masumeen (as) are the proof/hujjat. Not the personal opinions of the jurists. The hadith is transmitted to us by the "narrators of the hadith" (fuqaha) who are mentioned in the first part. Or put another way, the words of the masumeen (as) are the hujjat and should be followed.

Can you also present your understanding of the above hadith?

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The following is another hadith from our twelth Imam (ajtf):

As far as newly occurring circumstances are concerned, you should refer to the narrators of our hadith, for they are my proof over you and I (asws) am Allah (azwj)’s Proof.

[Letter of Imam-e-Zamana (ajtf) to his representative, quoted by al-Tabarsi, in his book Al-Ihtijaj al-Tabarsi, Vol. 2, pg. 469]

Your entire case as based upon the above mentioned Hadith. You need to clearly state/ explain your understanding, and how you reach the conclusion that you have reached.

Put aside the Terminology, the Technical terms. 

Describe the concept/understanding of these “words”, as they were understood at that time and what do they translate into today.

Narrators of our Hadith” in today's terms are you equating this to a role of a librarian. A student goes to the librarian and says I need to find a book, and the librarians directs the student to the book and the student gets the book and understand it himself.

So, how do you explain the second part, “  for they are my proof over you and I (asws) am Allah (azwj)’s Proof” ?

Does this not seem to contradict your personal understanding of what it is meant by a Narrators of Our Hadith” ?

 

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13 hours ago, shuaybi said:

Since I asked you a question on the hadith you quoted earlier and you could not answer my question you moved on to a different hadith.

What was your question?

13 hours ago, shuaybi said:

The above hadith are being addressed to every shia believer.

How do you say that? & how do you know that? The hadith starts with word "useeka", a wasiyat can not necessarily addressing whole ummah. 

14 hours ago, shuaybi said:

Are you saying that in these two hadith by the word  ijtihad the imam (as) means to derive new laws for situations not to be found in quran and hadith?

I have presented you the ahadith with the word "ijtihad", because you asked for it. 

What are the meanings of word ijtihaad & what is its root word as well as what it means in these two ahadith requires a detailed discussions & this forum/thread is not appropriate for such a lengthy discussions.

14 hours ago, shuaybi said:

Also let me ask you, why are you quoting hadith? As a muqallid it should be illegal for you to quote hadith unless you got it from your marja.

I would like to ask you why you're asking those questions here which you can ask directly from any marja's office directly?

Do you think shiachat is the place where marajay gives answers of your or someone else's questions?

Seems to me that your goal/aim is to put doubts in the minds of people. There are lot of books written on taqleed, why dont you read those literatures available online as well? 

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7 hours ago, S.M.H.A. said:

So, how do you explain the second part, “  for they are my proof over you and I (asws) am Allah (azwj)’s Proof” ?

I already explained to you. Which part did you not understand? The "narrators of the hadith" are the proof because they clearly present to us the hadith of the masumeen (as). They don't perform their own personal ijtihad and don't hide the hadith from people.

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10 minutes ago, shuaybi said:

I already explained to you. Which part did you not understand? The "narrators of the hadith" are the proof because they clearly present to us the hadith of the masumeen (as). They don't perform their own personal ijtihad and don't hide the hadith from people.

Do not pick and choose to deflect. Explain in proper context. 

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Your entire case as based upon the above mentioned Hadith. You need to clearly state/ explain your understanding, and how you reach the conclusion that you have reached.

Put aside the Terminology, the Technical terms. 

Describe the concept/understanding of these “words”, as they were understood at that time and what do they translate into today.

Narrators of our Hadith” in today's terms are you equating this to a role of a librarian. A student goes to the librarian and says I need to find a book, and the librarians directs the student to the book and the student gets the book and understand it himself.

So, how do you explain the second part, “  for they are my proof over you and I (asws) am Allah (azwj)’s Proof” ?

Does this not seem to contradict your personal understanding of what it is meant by a Narrators of Our Hadith” ?

 

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43 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

How do you say that? & how do you know that? The hadith starts with word "useeka", a wasiyat can not necessarily addressing whole ummah. 

And what makes you think - this is restricted to a small special group of people? Are only a small group being exhorted to "be pious"?

45 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

What are the meanings of word ijtihaad & what is its root word as well as what it means in these two ahadith requires a detailed discussions & this forum/thread is not appropriate for such a lengthy discussions.

All lies require lengthy discussions in which attempts are made to confuse people and muddle up the truth.

46 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

I have presented you the ahadith with the word "ijtihad", because you asked for it. 

I did not ask just for any hadith that mentions the word ijtihad. I asked why in the particular hadith "fa man kana minal fuqahaa..", where the imams (as) mention the pre-requisite qualities of the fuqaha there is no mention of ijitihad/mujtahid?

48 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

I would like to ask you why you're asking those questions here which you can ask directly from any marja's office directly?

Do you think shiachat is the place where marajay gives answers of your or someone else's questions?

Seems to me that your goal/aim is to put doubts in the minds of people. There are lot of books written on taqleed, why dont you read those literatures available online as well? 

You seem to follow the marjas - so why can't you get the reply from them? 

My goal of this discussion is very clear. Let me restate it:

Before you started doing taqlid of your mujtahid - did you ask him if taqlid is based on hadith or not? If it is based on hadith did you ask him for the references of those hadith? I would like to know what those hadith are that are quoted officially by THEM.

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2 hours ago, S.M.H.A. said:

Do not pick and choose to deflect. Explain in proper context. 

Can you please phrase the specific question that you are trying to ask clearly so I can understand it (the question)? What did I miss in my answer? If you have a deeper understanding please share it with us.

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5 hours ago, shuaybi said:

Before you started doing taqlid of your mujtahid - did you ask him if taqlid is based on hadith or not? If it is based on hadith did you ask him for the references of those hadith? 

:) for taqleed, the verses of Quran are sufficient. "Fas'alu ahlal dhikre" and specifically this one:

The Verse of Tafaqqah:

وَمَا كَانَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لِيَنْفِرُوا كَافَّةً ۚ فَلَوْلَا نَفَرَ مِنْ كُلِّ فِرْقَةٍ مِنْهُمْ طَائِفَةٌ لِيَتَفَقَّهُوا فِي الدِّينِ وَلِيُنْذِرُوا قَوْمَهُمْ إِذَا رَجَعُوا إِلَيْهِمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَحْذَرُونَ

“It is not right that the true believers in Islam all go forth (to the battle field to fight a defensive battle) – rather, why does not a group from amongst them go forth to become specialists in religious learning (develop Tafaqquh in the Din) and after completing their studies, return back to their own community and warn them (so that they will have fear of Allah)?”

 

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5 hours ago, shuaybi said:

I would like to know what those hadith are that are quoted officially by THEM.

:) You are not even reading the links posted by me several times. The verses, the ahadith quoted by me, were actually mentioned by those fuqaha in their writings. 

5 hours ago, shuaybi said:

All lies require lengthy discussions in which attempts are made to confuse people and muddle up the truth.

You have just showed yourself, the short solution for people like you is to have a mubahila, if you think "taqleed" is a lie.

5 hours ago, shuaybi said:

I asked why in the particular hadith "fa man kana minal fuqahaa..", where the imams (as) mention the pre-requisite qualities of the fuqaha there is no mention of ijitihad/mujtahid?

Again quoting part of hadith mentioning the prerequisites:

On 10/11/2017 at 5:04 PM, Salsabeel said:

So then however, as for the Fuqaha who protect their own soul, who safeguard their religion, who go against the desires and passions of their lower desires and who are obedient to the command of their Mawla, then it is permissible for the common people to perform Taqleed (follow them in religious issues) and this state is not found except in some of the Fuqaha of the Shi’a – not all of them.

1. Protect their soul

2. Safe guard their religion

3. Go against their lower desires 

4. Obedient to the command of their Mawla.

This is ijtihad which literally means "to endeavor, strive, put one­self out, work hard."

In Islamic legal terminology it means “the process of deriving the laws of the shari'ah from its sources.”

https://www.al-islam.org/introduction-islamic-shariah-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/system-ijtihad

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On 10/15/2017 at 2:07 PM, Salsabeel said:

:) for taqleed, the verses of Quran are sufficient. "Fas'alu ahlal dhikre" and specifically this one:

The Verse of Tafaqqah:

وَمَا كَانَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لِيَنْفِرُوا كَافَّةً ۚ فَلَوْلَا نَفَرَ مِنْ كُلِّ فِرْقَةٍ مِنْهُمْ طَائِفَةٌ لِيَتَفَقَّهُوا فِي الدِّينِ وَلِيُنْذِرُوا قَوْمَهُمْ إِذَا رَجَعُوا إِلَيْهِمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَحْذَرُونَ

“It is not right that the true believers in Islam all go forth (to the battle field to fight a defensive battle) – rather, why does not a group from amongst them go forth to become specialists in religious learning (develop Tafaqquh in the Din) and after completing their studies, return back to their own community and warn them (so that they will have fear of Allah)?”

I understand your position now. One day you were reading the Holy Quran and you came across the above two verses. Without referring to hadith of Masumeen (as) you simply assumed that the "ahl ul dhikra" are the mujtahids. Furthermore, you assumed that "yatafaqqahu fid deen" means "ijtihad" (i.e. to derive new laws). And you jumped into the bandwagon of taqlid.

Hadith: Abu Jafar (as) said: "There is nothing more distant from the intellect of men than the explanations of the Quran". [Source: Wasail-us-Shia H 33604]

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2 hours ago, shuaybi said:

Without referring to hadith of Masumeen (as) you simply assumed that the "ahl ul dhikra" are the mujtahids. Furthermore, you assumed that "yatafaqqahu fid deen" means "ijtihad" (i.e. to derive new laws). And you jumped into the bandwagon of taqlid.

Here is the hadith:

"As far as newly occurring circumstances are concerned, you should refer to the narrators of our hadith, for they are my proof over you and I (asws) am Allah (azwj)’s Proof."

The narrators who:

On 10/15/2017 at 11:54 PM, Salsabeel said:

1. Protect their soul

2. Safe guard their religion

3. Go against their lower desires 

4. Obedient to the command of their Mawla.

This is ijtihad which literally means "to endeavor, strive, put one­self out, work hard."

In Islamic legal terminology it means “the process of deriving the laws of the shari'ah from its sources.”

How can a narrator know the solution/answers for newly occuring circumstances? Newly occuring circustances means one which are not mentioned in Quran & hadith.

"Ahlul dhikr" are the Aimma e tahireen (asws) but the portion of hadith commanding us to refer to those "who know how to deal with newly occuring circumstances".

"Those who" have been mentioned as the hujjat of Imam over us.

2 hours ago, shuaybi said:

Hadith: Abu Jafar (as) said: "There is nothing more distant from the intellect of men than the explanations of the Quran". [Source: Wasail-us-Shia H 33604]

I would like to have explanation of this hadith. Please ask the narrator to explain what Imam (asws) means by "explanation of the Quran" while we only consider explanations given by Imam as valid. 

Please ask the narrator to explain what type of explanations are "distant from the intellect of men" while Quran is saying:

Surah Muhammad, Verse 24:
أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ أَمْ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبٍ أَقْفَالُهَا

Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Nay, on the hearts there are locks.
(English - Shakir)

Surah Al-Qamar, Verse 17:
وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ

And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
(English - Shakir)

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23 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

How can a narrator know the solution/answers for newly occuring circumstances? Newly occuring circustances means one which are not mentioned in Quran & hadith.

According to your reading of the above hadith, Imams (as) are asking us to do something that is meaningless (God forbid). They are asking us to refer to those persons who don't have solutions to our problems?

The newly occurring circumstance is new from the perspective of the person who encounters it for the first time. He does not know that the solution is in the hadith and thus must consult the narrator of hadith.

Secondly, if a mujtahid should be consulted for newly occurring circumstances then why is his risalah al amaliyyah (tawdhih ul masail, practical laws)  filled with fatwas of all the old issues - like taharah, ghusl, wudhu, salat, sawm, hajj, zakat, etc. Majority of his book (and thus majority of his life’s effort) is full of verdicts on age-old problems.

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15 hours ago, shuaybi said:

The newly occurring circumstance is new from the perspective of the person who encounters it for the first time. He does not know that the solution is in the hadith and thus must consult the narrator of hadith.

 

15 hours ago, shuaybi said:

then why is his risalah al amaliyyah (tawdhih ul masail, practical laws)  filled with fatwas of all the old issues - like taharah, ghusl, wudhu, salat, sawm, hajj, zakat, etc. Majority of his book (and thus majority of his life’s effort) is full of verdicts on age-old problems.

Ok, please share with me any hadith of Imam addressing the issue of organ transplantation. Please share any hadith of Imam giving permission or prohibitting us on the issue of test-tube baby. 

I can present thosands of issues before you. For the time being, I would like to give me any hadith or verse of Quran for organ transplant & test-tube baby.

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On 10/13/2017 at 1:04 AM, shuaybi said:

It is a shame how this absurd concept of taqlid of a non-masum is being shoved down people's throats who are finding it difficult to swallow and digest it. The bigger the lie the more effort expended by the "fake scholars" to cover and obscure the truth. Just look at christianity and how they managed to impose trinity on the poor masses.

What is the problem?

You think all major scholars today are fake? Tell us all where did you study islam to reach this conclusion that you know better than all the rest?

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On 10/12/2017 at 12:50 AM, IbnMariam said:

What's really frustrating is that you're the umpteenth person in this thread who has posted like this.

 

(1)Please construct a proper argument through specified ahadith and verses.

(2) Please substantiate this statement, give me the examples, source them etc Show how they prove the principles of taqlid

(3) Please elaborate...

(4) please show me where the early ulama spoke of taqlid as we know it today. I will genuinely appreciate it very much if you can show that they believed in the same ruleset

(5) strawman, and if you're not certain that taqlid is the correct way to fulfill your obligation of obedience to the imam, then you don't actually believe in it, you've just accepted it on a whim

I have already posted some links to wet your appetite, there are many other link already in this thread. The proof is overwhelming. I dont really have the time or inclination. 

A simple search shows this:

 

To be frank, i think people who have trouble with taqleed are not being genuine or honest. In every walk of life, you consult with experts, whether its teaching, law, medicine, engineering etc. Its just so fundamental I cant accept you think it is different for religion.

 

At what point would you accept a worse opinion than a more educated one? 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Ok, please share with me any hadith of Imam addressing the issue of organ transplantation. Please share any hadith of Imam giving permission or prohibitting us on the issue of test-tube baby. 

I can present thosands of issues before you. For the time being, I would like to give me any hadith or verse of Quran for organ transplant & test-tube baby.

I knew this was coming. It looks like the entire system of taqlid and marjaiyat was setup to research these two issues - organ transplant and test-tube baby. 

I will address your question, but first answer the following two questions: 

  1. If mujtahid is needed for new issues like test-tube baby then why does he do ijtihad all his life on old issues?
  2. Provide me hadith where the imams (as) said when you face issues that are not to be found in quran or hadith then you must use these specific processes, procedures, methods to deduce/derive the law. And then they explained in detail these techniques.

Narrated from Abu Mahboob or others from Mathni Al Hanaat from Abu Baseer that he said to Abu Ja’far (as): "We want something from you but cannot find in the Book or Sunnah, shall we say it as per our judgement?" He (as) replied: "No! If you get it right you will get no reward for it, and if you get it wrong you will have ascribed a lie to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى. [Source: Wasail ul Shia H. 33185]

Again, please answer my questions above, before placing new ones.

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7 hours ago, iraqi_shia said:

You think all major scholars today are fake? 

It depends on the definition of "scholar". Here is the definition of ahlul bayt (as):

People are of three types the scholars (aalim), the students (mutaalim), and rubbish (ghisaa). We (as) are the scholars (aalims), our followers (shias) are the students (mutaalim), and the rest of the people are worthless. [Reference: Wasail ul Shia, H. 33092]

Besides the ahlul bayt (as) a person can be considered knowledgeable only in as much as the knowledge of hadith that he has acquired. 

"Go east or go west, you will not find correct knowledge except that which has come out from us (as) the ahlul bayt (as)". [Source: Wasail-us-shia H 33166]

A knowledgeable person will be well versed with the hadith. He will not speak from his own opinion. He will be silent on the issues where the Imams (as) have been silent. He will speak and explain with references from hadith. He will pause during doubt. When presented with a question that he does not have an answer for (which means it is not present in the hadith) he will say "I don't know".

7 hours ago, iraqi_shia said:

Tell us all where did you study islam to reach this conclusion that you know better than all the rest?

The Holy Prophet said: Knowledge is not (acquired) through extensive learning. Rather, it is the light that Allah sends in the heart of whomever He wishes to guide. [Reference: Al-Majlisi, Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 67, p. 140]

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15 hours ago, iraqi_shia said:

To be frank, i think people who have trouble with taqleed are not being genuine or honest. In every walk of life, you consult with experts, whether its teaching, law, medicine, engineering etc. Its just so fundamental I cant accept you think it is different for religion.

At what point would you accept a worse opinion than a more educated one? 

At what point would you accept the opinion of a fallible one over that of an infallible (as)?

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8 hours ago, shuaybi said:

I knew this was coming. It looks like the entire system of taqlid and marjaiyat was setup to research these two issues - organ transplant and test-tube baby. 

I have presented before you just these two issues although I can present thousands of more questions. Do you want more?

 

8 hours ago, shuaybi said:

will address your question, but first answer the following two questions: 

  1. If mujtahid is needed for new issues like test-tube baby then why does he do ijtihad all his life on old issues?
  2. Provide me hadith where the imams (as) said when you face issues that are not to be found in quran or hadith then you must use these specific processes, procedures, methods to deduce/derive the law. And then they explained in detail these techniques.

 1. Present any example of "ijtihad on old issue". There must be any question with a different side, if any mujtahid has done ijtihad on old issue.
2. I have already provided that hadith.

 

On ‎17‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 4:34 AM, Salsabeel said:

"As far as newly occurring circumstances are concerned, you should refer to the narrators of our hadith, for they are my proof over you and I (asws) am Allah (azwj)’s Proof."


It is also explained that what is meant by "narrators of hadith", those people who:

On ‎17‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 4:34 AM, Salsabeel said:

1. Protect their soul

2. Safe guard their religion

3. Go against their lower desires 

4. Obedient to the command of their Mawla.

This is ijtihad which literally means "to endeavor, strive, put one­self out, work hard."

In Islamic legal terminology it means “the process of deriving the laws of the shari'ah from its sources.”

Do you think Imam is referring to those narrators who themselves unable to understand the hadith? Like you're quoting ahadith and when I asked you to provide explanation of hadith, there is total blackout on your side. Not even trying to respond the question I asked about one of your quoted hadith:

On ‎17‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 4:34 AM, Salsabeel said:

I would like to have explanation of this hadith. Please ask the narrator to explain what Imam (asws) means by "explanation of the Quran" while we only consider explanations given by Imam as valid. 

Please ask the narrator to explain what type of explanations are "distant from the intellect of men" while Quran is saying:

Surah Muhammad, Verse 24:
أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ أَمْ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبٍ أَقْفَالُهَا

Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Nay, on the hearts there are locks.
(English - Shakir)

Surah Al-Qamar, Verse 17:
وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ

And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
(English - Shakir

 

9 hours ago, shuaybi said:

Narrated from Abu Mahboob or others from Mathni Al Hanaat from Abu Baseer that he said to Abu Ja’far (as): "We want something from you but cannot find in the Book or Sunnah, shall we say it as per our judgement?" He (as) replied: "No! If you get it right you will get no reward for it, and if you get it wrong you will have ascribed a lie to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى. [Source: Wasail ul Shia H. 33185]

So you have again narrated the hadith, here are my new questions about this hadith:

1. Please ask the narrator what is meant by the question "We want something from you but cannot find in Book or Sunnah"? 
  Now I am highlighting the question mentioned in hadith:

"We want something from you but cannot find in the Book or Sunnah, shall we say it as per our judgement?"

What they asked to say? the thing they want from Imam? Which is not present in the Book & the Sunnah?
Lets assume, they want any hadith of Imam about organ transplant & they are unable to find that matter in Quran & Sunnah. What should they do? They should consult the Imam who is present before them, they can ask directly from him the answer instead of asking permission for doing ijtihad bir-raa'i (if they were really asking for that). Ijtihad bir-raa'i is condemned by Masoomeen (asws).

Now, see this matter in today's scenario. We only have Quran & the Sunnah, the Imam is in occultation. Those who believe are facing new issues emerging in daily life. For instance, in any 24hours nonstop flight, how should one perform his obligatory prayers? Ask the narrator, what is the answer of this question? 

I want you to answer my question.

2. What Imam has forbidden here in this hadith? Ijtihad as a whole or Ijtihad bir-raa'i? 

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17 hours ago, shuaybi said:

It depends on the definition of "scholar". Here is the definition of ahlul bayt (as):

People are of three types the scholars (aalim), the students (mutaalim), and rubbish (ghisaa). We (as) are the scholars (aalims), our followers (shias) are the students (mutaalim), and the rest of the people are worthless. [Reference: Wasail ul Shia, H. 33092]

Besides the ahlul bayt (as) a person can be considered knowledgeable only in as much as the knowledge of hadith that he has acquired. 

"Go east or go west, you will not find correct knowledge except that which has come out from us (as) the ahlul bayt (as)". [Source: Wasail-us-shia H 33166]

A knowledgeable person will be well versed with the hadith. He will not speak from his own opinion. He will be silent on the issues where the Imams (as) have been silent. He will speak and explain with references from hadith. He will pause during doubt. When presented with a question that he does not have an answer for (which means it is not present in the hadith) he will say "I don't know".

The Holy Prophet said: Knowledge is not (acquired) through extensive learning. Rather, it is the light that Allah sends in the heart of whomever He wishes to guide. [Reference: Al-Majlisi, Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 67, p. 140]

Listen, if you think the scholars of Najaf and Qom are all rubbish and you alone are the alim, then thats your problem.

Just stop trying to be difficult and use your brain. When you have a problem, do you go to an expert? Its a simple question.

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9 hours ago, shuaybi said:

At what point would you accept the opinion of a fallible one over that of an infallible (as)?

Is that what you think Taqleed is?

Let me guess, your saying your doing taqleed of the imams AS and we are all just ignoring the Imams AS.

I think I have seen to many of your types here, Im out  !

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35 minutes ago, iraqi_shia said:

When you have a problem, do you go to an expert? Its a simple question

Yes I refer to the experts. The masumeen (as) - through their hadith. Do you think Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى will punish me on the day of judgement for this stand? Have the masumeen (as) discouraged the shia believers from accessing their hadith directly? Are their (as) hadith incomprehensible for us? In hadith of thaqalayn, was the prophet (as) only addressing the mujtahids?

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8 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Present any example of "ijtihad on old issue". There must be any question with a different side, if any mujtahid has done ijtihad on old issue.

Is salat (the basic rules of how one should pray in normal circumstances) an old issue or newly emerging issue? Why is a mujtahid doing ijtihad in this old issue?

8 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

This is ijtihad which literally means "to endeavor, strive, put one­self out, work hard."

Yes that is exactly what ijtihad is limited to and should be performed by every believer.

8 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Do you think Imam is referring to those narrators who themselves unable to understand the hadith? Like you're quoting ahadith and when I asked you to provide explanation of hadith, there is total blackout on your side. Not even trying to respond the question I asked about one of your quoted hadith:

Imams (as) are actually asking us to refer back to them through their words that are carried by the narrators of the hadith. You have a misconception in your mind that hadith are difficult to understand and that the Imams (as) spoke in ambiguous, cryptic, vague language.

9 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

What Imam has forbidden here in this hadith? Ijtihad as a whole or Ijtihad bir-raa'i? 

Imam has forbidden us to use our judgement on issues not to be found in the hadith and Quran.

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8 hours ago, iraqi_shia said:

Is that what you think Taqleed is?

Let me guess, your saying your doing taqleed of the imams AS and we are all just ignoring the Imams AS.

The Holy Prophet (saww) said in his (saww) Sermon of Ghadir: ‘And he is my brother Ali (asws) Ibn Abi Talib and he (asws) is among you of the same status as I (saww) am, so do his (asws) Taqleed in your religion and obey him (asws) in all your affairs.’

[Source: Sheikh Tabrisi in his famous book Ihtijaj-al-Tabrisi has recorded the complete sermon along with the chain of narrators.]

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