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Bismillah ir Arahman ir Rahim

Salamu Alaikum!

I am not trying to insult anyone by this question, so I apologise ahead of time. I am very new to Shi'a still. And in some lectures I keep on hearing that these countries are enemies of each other, or at least one of them  is. 

I have never been a political person. It just seemed boring and something the old men did while drinking Turkish Coffee and things like this. 

Will this affect me much as an American Muslim? Would I not be accepted in Iran? I have heard, that because of this, most Muslims in the world will think of me as a spy. 

I would deeply appreciate any explanation. 

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26 minutes ago, MuslimahAK said:

Bismillah ir Arahman ir Rahim

Salamu Alaikum!

I am not trying to insult anyone by this question, so I apologise ahead of time. I am very new to Shi'a still. And in some lectures I keep on hearing that these countries are enemies of each other, or at least one of them  is. 

I have never been a political person. It just seemed boring and something the old men did while drinking Turkish Coffee and things like this. 

Will this affect me much as an American Muslim? Would I not be accepted in Iran? I have heard, that because of this, most Muslims in the world will think of me as a spy. 

I would deeply appreciate any explanation. 

Are you travelling to Iran? You don't need to know any politics to visit the country, I'm sure many Iranians themselves aren't politically aware either. 

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29 minutes ago, MuslimahAK said:

Bismillah ir Arahman ir Rahim

Salamu Alaikum!

I am not trying to insult anyone by this question, so I apologise ahead of time. I am very new to Shi'a still. And in some lectures I keep on hearing that these countries are enemies of each other, or at least one of them  is. 

I have never been a political person. It just seemed boring and something the old men did while drinking Turkish Coffee and things like this. 

Will this affect me much as an American Muslim? Would I not be accepted in Iran? I have heard, that because of this, most Muslims in the world will think of me as a spy. 

I would deeply appreciate any explanation. 

To answer your question yes Saudi and Iran are enemies, they back opposite sides in nearly every conflict in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia backs radical wahhabi groups like ISIS, to weaken Iran and their allies like Syria and Hezbollah, iran fights these groups. The Saudis often blame Iran for Shiite uprising in the eastern part of their own country and in Bahrain, where they sent their own soldiers to go crush it. They also blame Iran for inciting the conflict in Yemen when it's the Saudis that have been bombarding them, imposing an inhumane blockade which has created the world's worst humanitarian crisis. 

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I just want to say while  you make sure you are improving and  " climbing up " as I would say or getting closer to Allah you should not care about the general people.  What they think etc. If you do the best you can for Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى you did the best there is, you could not have done any better to anyone around you.

So let people who like to  assume and think about others do theirs, and you do your thing. This could be hard sometimes and / or at the beginning but I believe if we train ourself it will cost (almost) no effort , just like with many other things

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2 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

To answer your question yes Saudi and Iran are enemies, they back opposite sides in nearly every conflict in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia backs radical wahhabi groups like ISIS, to weaken Iran and their allies like Syria and Hezbollah, iran fights these groups. The Saudis often blame Iran for Shiite uprising in the eastern part of their own country and in Bahrain, where they sent their own soldiers to go crush it. They also blame Iran for inciting the conflict in Yemen when it's the Saudis that have been bombarding them, imposing an inhumane blockade which has created the world's worst humanitarian crisis. 

Saudi government doesn't back isis they back other equally bad groups. 

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Just now, Learner2526 said:

Saudi government doesn't back isis they back other equally bad groups. 

Clinton emails say otherwise, but the distinction is irrelevant anyway, both similar types of groups. They definitely back Ahrar al Sham and Jaysh al Islam officially. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774.

"While this military/para-military operation is moving >> forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence >> assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, >> which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and >> other radical Sunni groups in the region."

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2 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Clinton emails say otherwise, but the distinction is irrelevant anyway, both similar types of groups. They definitely back Ahrar al Sham and Jaysh al Islam officially. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774.

"While this military/para-military operation is moving >> forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence >> assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, >> which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and >> other radical Sunni groups in the region."

Both are wahabi so why wouldn't they be friends , right ?

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Just now, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

Both are wahabi so why wouldn't they be friends , right ?

The reason people say they aren't is because ISIS does not like the Saudi monarchy, and has threatened to overthrow it and establish a caliphate, but the vision of ISIS is not all that different from that of Saudi Arabia. However, its undeniable that ISIS can be used as a tool to weaken Saudi's regional adversaries like Iran, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that they would have a strategy where they would back them abroad in Syria and Iraq and elsewhere with competing interests, but be more wary of them at home. There are also reports that Saudi Arabia has not done much to crackdown on its citizenry funding terrorism abroad, so long as it doesn't threaten the monarchy domestically. 

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1 minute ago, Mohamed1993 said:

The reason people say they aren't is because ISIS does not like the Saudi monarchy, and has threatened to overthrow it and establish a caliphate, but the vision of ISIS is not all that different from that of Saudi Arabia. However, its undeniable that ISIS can be used as a tool to weaken Saudi's regional adversaries like Iran, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that they would have a strategy where they would back them abroad in Syria and Iraq and elsewhere with competing interests, but be more wary of them at home. There are also reports that Saudi Arabia has not done much to crackdown on its citizenry funding terrorism abroad, so long as it doesn't threaten the monarchy domestically. 

Ok, thanks for that. But it is the truth that they are both Wahabi right ?  " Isis " and Saudi " kingdom " 

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Just now, Mohammed-Mehdi said:

Ok, thanks for that. But it is the truth that they are both Wahabi right ?  " Isis " and Saudi " kingdom " 

Yep, ideologically not different at all! Saudi beheaded more people than ISIS actually in 2015. 

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6 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

The reason people say they aren't is because ISIS does not like the Saudi monarchy, and has threatened to overthrow it and establish a caliphate, but the vision of ISIS is not all that different from that of Saudi Arabia. However, its undeniable that ISIS can be used as a tool to weaken Saudi's regional adversaries like Iran, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that they would have a strategy where they would back them abroad in Syria and Iraq and elsewhere with competing interests, but be more wary of them at home. There are also reports that Saudi Arabia has not done much to crackdown on its citizenry funding terrorism abroad, so long as it doesn't threaten the monarchy domestically. 

they have police that go around hitting people with sticks during prayer time forcing them to pray... sounds alot like isis to me.. isis is ksa's dream come true

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