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The killer was on the 32nd floor of the hotel, shooting at people in the outdoor concert. From newsweek.com

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5:03 a.m. ET: Police have now confirmed that the suspected gunman was killed on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel. 

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9 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Who was behind it. Islamic terrorist or mentally unstable? 

BBC 0500EDT

The shooter was a local. No name released yet,

The police are searching for a  Marilou Danley (l think that's the last name) who a BBC reporter said they found the same name for a resident of Reno.

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0700EDT

Marilou D. has been found. So has two cars.

The shooter is 64 year old Stephen Paddock who lived in a retirement community. Mesquite, NV

Several weapons found on the 32nd floor.

50+ "dead" and 200+ "injured"

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I always wonder how people can decide that they want to do things like this. What in the world goes through their minds? 

Duas for recovery of the injured and traumatized, and comfort to the families of those killed. 

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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-02/las-vegas-shooting-mandalay-bay-hotel-gunman-stephen-paddock/9008372?pfmredir=sm

'Police said Paddock did not have any militant links, but the Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the attack via its Amaq propaganda arm, saying the shooter "converted to Islam months ago". '

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4 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Who was behind it. Islamic terrorist or mentally unstable? 

If the shooter was white/gay/atheist then poor mentally unstable person deserving our sympathies; If black/brown/Muslim then heartless terrorist.

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13 minutes ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

'Police said Paddock did not have any militant links, but the Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the attack via its Amaq propaganda arm, saying the shooter "converted to Islam months ago".

It could be ISIS attack but remember they will claim anything. 

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We need to stop this 'mentally unstable label'. This guy clearly had a normal brain which functioned, to mischievously plot an attack. Such labels don't give us a solution.

Many say that 'extremist Salafi Muslims' kill because of their messed up ideology, well the same goes to this sick grandpa.

Take away religion, you still have these sickos who have no belief in God and accountability. This is their messed up ideology which causes them to do these acts. Extremist Muslims wanna do horrible acts and go to Jannah while these kind of people wanna do these acts and go nowhere.

Edited by ali_fatheroforphans

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Anyone who would kill random strangers or entire groups of people is obviously deranged. 

Terrorism is defined as a politically motivated attack on non-military target. If we don't know the shooter's motivation, we can't say whether it's terrorism or not. 

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True, it does not meet the " definition" of terrorism at present ( unless you believe ISIS), but the thought that someone just randomly snapped for no apparently known reason, got 10 rifles up into a hotel room, and started spraying automatic gunfire into a crowd of people doesn't make me feel very comforted either.

Edited by LeftCoastMom

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3 hours ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

This guy clearly had a normal brain which functioned, to mischievously plot an attack. Such labels don't give us a solution.

Mischievously plotting makes the shooter sound like he was pulling a prank. The old man clearly did not have a normal brain, waking up and deciding to kill people is not normal at all, Ali. 

Such labels were never meant to give solutions but some semblance of closure.

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^ It was definitely premeditated. That's what's odd about it coming  from someone with, according to his brother, NO political,religious,or any other affiliation. 

He supposedly liked to go to Las Vegas to have fun and gamble, so doubt the noise would have bothered him much. ( Personally I would rather be dragged across a stony cactus -strewn desert by rabid wild horses than ever spend another night  in Vegas,but I have had to on rare occasions while traveling with others on the way to  meetings and gatherings in the region.)

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Probably [edit], perhaps no friends, no family. No career driven goals. No Belief in God, no faith. Perhaps no one to love, no one to show him love.

he wanted to end his life, and simply found a way to do so that made the news.

Edited by Hameedeh
Inappropriate words removed.

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5 hours ago, iCambrian said:

Probably [edit], perhaps no friends, no family. No career driven goals. No Belief in God, no faith. Perhaps no one to love, no one to show him love.

he wanted to end his life, and simply found a way to do so that made the news.

Not quite.  He is now reported (by his brother) to be a retired accountant who was a multi-millionaire property investor.  Liked gambling and taking vacations with his girlfriend.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/10/02/las-vegas-gunman-shooting-country/

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2 minutes ago, forte said:

Not quite.  He is now reported (by his brother) to be a retired accountant who was a multi-millionaire property investor.  Liked gambling and taking vacations with his girlfriend.

Probably lived a superficial life drenched in materialism, no real meaning to anything, just deluding himself that his possessions meant he was happy.

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Too early to speculate on Paddock's behavior.

There are two things l'd like to know:

1] How did he get all these weapons and ammunition in the hotel?

2] Will the autopsy show he had a stroke(s) or his toxicology report shows mentally destabilizing build-up of chemicals (like from kidney infections). [My father's behavior and thinking changed and changed again after each of his strokes.]

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