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14 hours ago, islam25 said:

Mr . Problem with you is that you misinterpret what I say.

In non of comments I opposed the Azadari. Yes the way some shia present the martyrdom gives miss information. 

Even non muslim scholars and thinkers have learned great lessons and message from karbala. But some shia limit karbala only to mourning forgetting the real messages is unfortunate. 

no brother. The problem is we judge other shias instead of respecting them.

Some shias have limited Karbala to mourning only - I get it.
Some shias have lost all respect for Karbala - I get that too.

What I don't get is constant need to for people like you to judge either category of people - that is what is unfortunate.

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20 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

no brother. The problem is we judge other shias instead of respecting them.

Some shias have limited Karbala to mourning only - I get it.
Some shias have lost all respect for Karbala - I get that too.

What I don't get is constant need to for people like you to judge either category of people - that is what is unfortunate.

Judging other Shias is off limits, but judging other muslims is mustahab?

Love the bias and the tribal mentality.

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15 hours ago, 786:) said:

Of course you see azadari as the pinnacle of Islam.

where did I say this? This must be another one of your feelings.

15 hours ago, 786:) said:

Of course you see azadari as the pinnacle of Islam. That view by the majority is what has led us to this black hole. You think Shias are thriving? You must be delusional. When you search Shia Muslim or Shia Islam, nothing but horrifying images pop up.

After the event of Karbala, when Hz Zainab (as) and the rest were taken to Syria as prisoners, one of the things Yazeed said to her was, "Do you see how Allah has humiliated you". She responded, "I see nothing but the glory of Allah."

So to your comment that you only see a black hole, I say "I see nothing but the glory of Allah in the name of Hussain". Mashallah we are a force of 250+ million all over world letting them know Who Hussain is. 25m-30m chant "Labaik Ya Hussain" on Arbaeen in unison and reverence. It is a manifestation of the love of Hussain that is in the hearts of all shias. 

You see what you see because you are full of hate for the shias. I see nothing but glory because I have nothing but love for the lovers of Hussain.

 

15 hours ago, 786:) said:

Hence, I respectfully, yet strongly disagree with that notion that azadari is the most importion aspect of Islam.

Respectfully, you should read more carefully instead of feeling words. No one said that.

15 hours ago, 786:) said:

Imam Hussain did not sacrifice his life so a sect would be created in his honor. Quran condemns sects as a matter of fact. As well as sahih traditions of the Holy Prophet (saw) and Imam Ali (as). What Imam Hussain (as) did want was the ummah to unite under his banner. When you say that azadari is the most important function of Islam, that is doing nothing but creating divisions. 

You dont get to decide and tell us what Imam Hussain's sacrifice means to us. We are well aware of it. But you think that we will give up azadari in the name of unity, it will never happen. You want us to give up azadari today so we give up "Ali yun WaliAllah" tomorrow. Not a chance.

15 hours ago, 786:) said:

You know there is no base to that, except purely emotions and maybe some random Hadith from Bihar ul Anwar. If you were to ask Imam Hussain, what is the most important function of Islam, I guarantee he would say tawheed, as he was one of the best slaves of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى.

once again - you have no basis for an argument because no one said "azadari is the most important function of Islam". You let pre-conceived notions and prejudices dictate your readings.

 

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25 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

who is judging other muslims?

Brother I have been reading your posts for years. No need to act like you have not judged other muslims.

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1 hour ago, 786:) said:

Brother I have been reading your posts for years. No need to act like you have not judged other muslims.

for years as in 2?

You must mean when I condemn salafis and wahabis and their like. A wahabi or salafi can hate shias all day long. But when they strap a bomb to themselves and kill innocent people all over a world, then I judged them. But then suicide bombers are not really muslims, are they?

Anyway, weren't you going to explain something to me? By all means, enlighten us with your wisdom.

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I have come to the point is that may Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى bless all these people whose intentions is nothing but for love of Imam Hussain (as) and Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى and expressing their humbleness and humility in front of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى seeking love, forgiveness and approval and acceptance of their needs.

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11 hours ago, 786:) said:

Anyhow, I do not believe wilayat or azadari are anywhere near tawheed. Just open up the holy book every day. Each page the idea of tawheed jumps out at you. You cannot say the same about any other function. 

Who is Mowla e barhaqq?

ثُمَّ رُدُّواْ إِلَى اللّهِ مَوْلاَهُمُ الْحَقِّ

Wilayat is "Ain e Touheed", and that is why His sincere servants calls Him like that:

أَنتَ مَوْلاَنَا فَانصُرْنَا عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكَافِرِينَ

2:286

How can anyone who claim to accept touheed, rejects His wilayat? Or say the words like you said (quoted above in bold). 

 

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3 hours ago, Dhulfikar said:

I have come to the point is that may Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى bless all these people whose intentions is nothing but for love of Imam Hussain (as) and Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى and expressing their humbleness and humility in front of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى seeking love, forgiveness and approval and acceptance of their needs.

Ameen brother.

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