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Assalamu'Alaikum.

1) What is Muta?

2) Why is Muta permissible? Why people do it?

3) What was the reason... and how did Muta came into existence? Who did it first? For what reason it became part of Islam? And for what reason it should be done?

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14 minutes ago, Zavon said:

Assalamu'Alaikum.

1) What is Muta?

2) Why is Muta permissible? Why people do it?

3) What was the reason... and how did Muta came into existence? Who did it first? For what reason it became part of Islam? And for what reason it should be done?

1 - Temporary Marriage

2 - It was permissible during the Prophet (s.a.w.s) time but he forbid it after the battle of Khaybar (For some reason twelvers deny this narration from Ali). It was practiced during Abu Bakr (r.a) time by some people (maybe, I haven't come across any narration saying such) It was finally totally forbidden (except a few who insisted, I'll get back on this) during Umar ibn Al Khatab rule (Ibn Abbas insisted that mutah was allowed until he was correct by Ali..again). So following Ibn Abbas stubbornness, the Ithna Ashari practice mutah, even if all other schools of Islam forbid it. The Prophet (s.a.w.s) forbid it for good reasons - People were abusing the system and doing things like mutah of 2 hours or less just to have 'fun'.

3 - No idea

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47 minutes ago, SunniBrother said:

1 - Temporary Marriage

2 - It was permissible during the Prophet (s.a.w.s) time but he forbid it after the battle of Khaybar (For some reason twelvers deny this narration from Ali). It was practiced during Abu Bakr (r.a) time by some people (maybe, I haven't come across any narration saying such) It was finally totally forbidden (except a few who insisted, I'll get back on this) during Umar ibn Al Khatab rule (Ibn Abbas insisted that mutah was allowed until he was correct by Ali..again). So following Ibn Abbas stubbornness, the Ithna Ashari practice mutah, even if all other schools of Islam forbid it. The Prophet (s.a.w.s) forbid it for good reasons - People were abusing the system and doing things like mutah of 2 hours or less just to have 'fun'.

3 - No idea

This is a non shia view and is based on ignorance and assumption and simplifications.

Mutah is a time limited marriage contract which can be adapted to its purpose, such as: if a man and women wish to get to know each  other before deciding to permanently marry each other, i.e. spend time together, go out, see a movie, etc. With no haram being done, they can make a mutah with limitations, such as no physical contact, during the duration of which they get to know each other without a third person following them.

This allows them to joke around, laugh, etc, which two non mahrams are strictly spoken not allowed to do, makes it easier to get to know each other.

People practice mutah for multiple reasons, some given above, others, such as during times of war when the men are away from their wives, they can conduct mutah to satisfy their carnal needs which is important for the state of your spirituality (ask the christian priests living in celibacy).

Of course some of our sunni brothers who do not wish to do mutah, rape women they catch instead, such as you see within in the ranks of daesh(la). Much better yeah?

Also as far as I know, masturbation within sunni islam (in situations) is allowed, something Imam Ali(as) completely showed how not okay it is thru hadith.

Others say that mutah = prostitution this is also a ridiculous statement based on ignorance since there is something called iddah.

Anyways, theres always people who want to abuse anything in different ways, this is no news and nothing to be shocked about.

Nobody is forced to do mutah, but those who feel the need for it may do so, and indulging in anything is not good. Has there never been something halal that has been abused before in mankinds history?

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10 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Of course some of our sunni brothers who do not wish to do mutah, rape women they catch instead, such as you see within in the ranks of daesh(la). Much better yeah?

Oh yes. All Sunnis rape women and all Sunnis are daesh. Masha Allah. As if shia men in war are saintly pious who don't even dare to rape or touch "Sunni" or Salafis women which is the correct term here. Or maybe like those crazy terrorists of Soldiers of Heaven

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@IbnSina

1) How does one do muta? Is there a contract to sign or something? Can it be done orally?

2) Where and how do you mention conditions? What happens if you break the conditions?

3) Is there a need for the presence of guarantors like there is in marriage?

4) What do you call your (female) partner after Muta? Is she legally your wife or what?

5) Who did the very first Muta?

6) Why was the Muta done in the times of Prophet or Imams? Are there any traditions we find related to it?

And lastly,

7) (I am Muqalid of Agha Sistani,) Does Muta require the permission of parents for the guy and the girl?

8) And at what age you're allowed to do Muta? Can a 14 year old guy can do Muta with a 9 year old girl without the permission of their parents?

9) And if you've done Muta, and it was dissolved after a certain period of time... Now you're getting (permanently) married to some other person... Are you obliged to tell your spouse (and their family) about your Muta?

Jazak Allahu Khayr.

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7 minutes ago, SunniBrother said:

Oh yes. All Sunnis rape women and all Sunnis are daesh. Masha Allah. As if shia men in war are saintly pious who don't even dare to rape or touch "Sunni" or Salafis women which is the correct term here. Or maybe like those crazy terrorists of Soldiers of Heaven

You can read english, so why dont you?

I said: "some of our sunni brothers"

Do you know what the word some means? If you do, then why did you say "All Sunnis rape women"? Am I talking to a wall here?

No, no normal man is a saint, so people sin, this is no shock either, but to do it systematically and with no guilt and with the backing of scholars, which daesh(la) do/have, is something completely different.

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21 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Also as far as I know, masturbation within sunni islam (in situations) is allowed

Then you say this. Yes it's allowed in certain situation. Instead of doing secret mutah in war away from one wife and doing sex with other women who is not your wife is not even aware you can masturbate to relieve yourself, much better then going through the risk of being unfair with your wife.

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Just now, SunniBrother said:

Then you say this. Yes it's allowed in certain situation. Instead of doing secret mutah in war away from one wife and doing sex with other women who your wife is not even aware you can masturbate to relieve yourself, much better then going through the risk of being unfair with your wife.

How about being unfair to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى?

Masturbation is HARAM, period. I thought you liked reading hadiths of Imam Ali(as)?

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Can we stick to what I want to ask instead of you guys bickering. :blush:

And uh. Does anybody know the title of some book related to Muta which covers about how it's done. And if there are any obligations that we need to fulfill towards our partner (like rights and duties of a husband to wife and vice versa in marriage)?? And how it's related to modern times.

Thanks.

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Just now, IbnSina said:

How about being unfair to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى?

Masturbation is HARAM, period. I thought you liked reading hadiths of Imam Ali(as)?

Masturbation is haram but sex with other women who is not your permanent wife is allowed. Huh. What fantastic logic.

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2 minutes ago, Zavon said:

Can we stick to what I want to ask instead of you guys bickering. :blush:

And uh. Does anybody know the title of some book related to Muta which covers about how it's done. And if there are any obligations that we need to fulfill towards our partner (like rights and duties of a husband to wife and vice versa in marriage)?? And how it's related to modern times.

Thanks.

Sorry. You guys go on. Not my area.

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11 hours ago, Zavon said:

@IbnSina

1) How does one do muta? Is there a contract to sign or something? Can it be done orally?

2) Where and how do you mention conditions? What happens if you break the conditions?

3) Is there a need for the presence of guarantors like there is in marriage?

4) What do you call your (female) partner after Muta? Is she legally your wife or what?

5) Who did the very first Muta?

6) Why was the Muta done in the times of Prophet or Imams? Are there any traditions we find related to it?

And lastly,

7) (I am Muqalid of Agha Sistani,) Does Muta require the permission of parents for the guy and the girl?

8) And at what age you're allowed to do Muta? Can a 14 year old guy can do Muta with a 9 year old girl without the permission of their parents?

Jazak Allahu Khayr.

I am no mutah jurisprudence expert brother, if you want to do whatever, its better you study on your own.

I can answer some of the questions shortly, to my knowledge:

1. Yes, it can be done orally, it can also be done written but needs to be said orally.

2. Mutah is like any other contract, such as the one you make during permanent marriage, if you break them, you have broken the terms of the contract, something you agreed to.

3. It depends on if the women is fiqh vice a virgin or not. If she is, you must have her fathers permission.

4. After a mutah has ended, it is just like you permanent marriage ending, she is non mahram to you.

7. If the women is a virgin she needs to approval of her wali (normally the father) and there are more rules to this, either way its always better to keep your parents involved.

8. See above.

Heres a book with more details brother, have a read and as I said, indulgence and going beyond limits is never good:

https://www.al-islam.org/printpdf/book/export/html/11245

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5 minutes ago, SunniBrother said:

Masturbation is haram but sex with other women who is not your permanent wife is allowed. Huh. What fantastic logic.

Masturbation is not a natural act, your hands are not made for that. It leads to things such as addiction, depression, social anxiety, leading to other things, such as pornography, etc.

A man having intercourse with a women is on the other hand very natural.

Anyways, lets stick to the OPs questions.

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سبحان الله

Verily oh people!

The addiction of the mind leads astray,

So will be the Day,

The Day which comes clear,

A decisive Day,

For the disbelievers.

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Just now, Zavon said:

can you give me the name of the book "please"?

Yes, its "Muta', Temporary Marriage in Islamic Law"

https://www.al-islam.org/muta-temporary-marriage-in-islamic-law-sachiko-murata

Heres another book on the subject called "Nikah Al-Mut’ah, Zina or Sunnah?":

https://www.al-islam.org/nikah-al-mutah-zina-or-sunnah-toyib-olawuyi

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@IbnSina

1) What's the age at which you can do Muta? 14 for a boy? 9 for a girl?

2) Sure, the girl needs permission of her Wali... but what about the guy? Does he need the permission of his father/guardian as well?

3) Does Muta needs to be publicly announced? Or is it okay to hide it from letting the world know that this and this person are temporarily-married (except both the families do know).?

4) Is there a need for the presence of guarantors (EDIT: WITNESSES) like there is in marriage? By that I mean if there is requirement of a particular number of guarantors from man's and woman's side? 

5) And if you've done Muta, and it was dissolved after a certain period of time... Now you're getting (permanently) married to some other person... Are you obliged to tell your spouse (and their family) about your Muta?

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10 hours ago, Zavon said:

@IbnSina

1) What's the age at which you can do Muta? 14 for a boy? 9 for a girl?

2) Sure, the girl needs permission of her Wali... but what about the guy? Does he need the permission of his father/guardian as well?

3) Does Muta needs to be publicly announced? Or is it okay to hide it from letting the world know that this and this person are temporarily-married (except both the families do know).?

4) Is there a need for the presence of guarantors like there is in marriage? By that I mean if there is requirement of a particular number of guarantors from man's and woman's side (like I hear is the requirement while doing Niqah)? 

5) And if you've done Muta, and it was dissolved after a certain period of time... Now you're getting (permanently) married to some other person... Are you obliged to tell your spouse (and their family) about your Muta?

Brother, you have many questions and I understand that.

But its better you read these books that has been linked about the subject, I am sure all of your questions will be answered there.

And if not, you can come and ask here and IA someone will know and if its a very specific situational question then its even better you ask you Marjas office.

Either way, whatever you end up doing, make sure you are knowledgeable before doing it, better to find out the answer than to assume it when you have the luxury of not having to assume.

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2 hours ago, Zavon said:

Assalamu'Alaikum.

1) What is Muta?

2) Why is Muta permissible? Why people do it?

3) What was the reason... and how did Muta came into existence? Who did it first? For what reason it became part of Islam? And for what reason it should be done?

1. Muta is a temporary marriage.

2. It is permissible for various reasons on the part of husband to save himself from relationships out of wedlock at a place where he could not sustain a permanent wife and on part of wife to support her for not having any male in her house by demanding dowry for her temporary marriage.

3. The Muta came into existence out of necessity due to long wars and the widows and orphans were left behind. So, Islam made it lawful to contract a temporary marriage so that those widows instead of being victim of prostitution may earn a lawful earning. As Imam Ali a.s said if Umer had not forbidden Muta, there would not have existed prostitution in the Muslim world. 

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Just now, Ron_Burgundy said:

Mutah is for cowards. :D If you like challenge make her permanent wife. 

Don't say it's for cowards or brave. It's lawful relationship but it's best not to abandon a lonely woman and her children. I don't know if my mother would like it but if she would I had married a widow no matter few years older even if she had children but we have made ourselves distant from Ahlebait a.s. 

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1 hour ago, Sindbad05 said:

Don't say it's for cowards or brave. It's lawful relationship but it's best not to abandon a lonely woman and her children. I don't know if my mother would like it but if she would I had married a widow no matter few years older even if she had children but we have made ourselves distant from Ahlebait a.s. 

I wouldn't mind if people do mutah with that intention, but most of people i see they do it because they wanna get laid and they prefer unmarried woman because they don't come with baggage. 

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1 hour ago, Ron_Burgundy said:

I wouldn't mind if people do mutah with that intention, but most of people i see they do it because they wanna get laid and they prefer unmarried woman because they don't come with baggage. 

Hmmmm good point Ron and that's very mean. I agree with you.

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