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Will Salafi export funded by Saudi Arabia overtake Traditional Sunnism? Are the traditional Sunnis too weak to confront the wahhabi menace? Will salafism become the mainstream Sunni Islam in a few years? What is your thoughts on this and why.

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8 minutes ago, Islandsandmirrors said:

I thought Salafism was mainstream Sunnism?

Seriously, where I live, they are the highest Sunni population and have the most traffic/biggest majids in my city. 

Interesting. It's also in my place. Some Sufis deny this reality thou. Aside the Sunni madhabs dying, I don't think some Sunnis realized what exactly is Salafism.

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I write my thoughts on this -

Salafism and Sunni misconception of Salafism. Some people say that Salafism is anti-madhabs this is only one branch of the movement (Al Albani branch). What Salafism is started a long time ago and people seem confused what is a Salafi. Salafi is the Athari creed of Ibn Hanbal under the reform of Ibn Taymiyyah. Is not really a problem of madhabs, rather it is a approach to the texts in their manner of reading, this isn't essentially anti-madhab, because there are many Hanbalis (majority of them) identify themselves as Salafis, so independently of madhab, any sunni can be a Salafi, I myself noticed this in some Shafi'is and Hanifas, the Hanifa madhab using Salafi methodology of reading the texts are called Deobandis, although deobandis use Maturudi theology, they use this school of theology to prove the points of Salafism. This is problematic because Salafis can blend into any school of sunnism that adhere to the root texts of Sunni Islam (The authentic six). The school of Salafism put emphasis on Tawheed, it's approach to shirk and Bidah is different from classical Sunni but that can blend on any school of Islam. Salafism is essentially anti-alid, putting greater emphasis on Abu Bakr and Omar while ignoring the Ahl Al Kisa (This is close to the creed of early khawarij), this is also problematic because in classical sunnism, Omar and Abu Bakr are seen superior then the family of the prophet so it can blend in any sunni school. The only solution I see for Sunnis is to change their stance on Ali(r.a) and Muawiyah. One does not need to consider Abu Bakr and Omar superior then Ali (r.a) to be a Sunni, nor does saying the truth that Ali (r.a) was superior negates Abu Bakr and Omar, although their flaws becomes apparent.

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11 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

@SunniBrother

What is your opinion of wahabism which origins from salafism and is currently the ideology of the rulers of saudi arabia?

Wahhabism is a approach to Salafi thought. It's all conflated on the same movement so is hard to pin point were it begins and where it ends. But mostly stems from Hanbali school, Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Qayyim and Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab. Some salafis are quitists, other dawah and political activists, others approach takfeerism. But all of them have the same core being the division of tawheed and literalist approach to the Qur'an giving a higher emphasis on Hadiths.

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2 minutes ago, SunniBrother said:

Wahhabism is a approach to Salafi thought. It's all conflated on the same movement so is hard to pin point were it begins and where it ends. But mostly stems from Hanbali school, Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Qayyim and Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab.

And whats your opinion of it as an ideology? Is it on the path of haqq? Is it islam?

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1 minute ago, IbnSina said:

And whats your opinion of it as an ideology? Is it on the path of haqq? Is it islam?

Definitely not on Haqq. I am not sure if it is Islam, maybe a [Edited Out] version of it build by insane people and oil. Definitely it is a ideology that anyone can fall into, especially fueling war.

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1 hour ago, SunniBrother said:

Will Salafi export funded by Saudi Arabia overtake Traditional Sunnism? Are the traditional Sunnis too weak to confront the wahhabi menace? Will salafism become the mainstream Sunni Islam in a few years? What is your thoughts on this and why.

Salafism and Sunnism is not much different between each other. 

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4 minutes ago, AfricanShia said:

Salafism and Sunnism is not much different between each other. 

Yes brother. That's not my point here. I wanna know people opinion on the future geo-political scenario and the influence of Salafism in Islam and how will this affect the future generations. And what actions can be taken from traditional Sunnis and shia Muslims.

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1 minute ago, SunniBrother said:

Definitely not on Haqq. I am not sure if it is Islam, maybe a [Edited Out] version of it build by insane people and oil. Definitely it is a ideology that anyone can fall into, especially fueling war.

Ahsant, do you think the British government had any involvement in its coming to power in recent history?

Also, why do you think it is that the sunni majority do not condemn wahabism, I mean, if both the shias and the majority of sunnis agree that wahabism are not on haqq, then why do we let them be the master of Qibla and Hajj?

The future of salafism and sunnism is the same as the future of wahabism and sunnism in my opinion, as long as the majority pf sunnis do not wish to speak out and instead get distracted by takfiri rhetoric that comes out of salafism and wahabism, making the common "enemy" the "kafir shias", then the minds of the majority of sunnis will not think about the how their own madhabs are getting extinct in favor for a more modern, shallow and narrow minded madhab that preachers "you are right and everyone ells must die and go to hell".

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1 minute ago, SunniBrother said:

Yes brother. That's not my point here. I wanna know people opinion on the future geo-political scenario and the influence of Salafism in Islam and how will this affect the future generations.

Sunni Islam contains more than one version of Islam in it and different types of Sunnis. Thats quite alot of heresy. I dont think you want to be considered as a heretic right? :)

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1 minute ago, IbnSina said:

Ahsant, do you think the British government had any involvement in its coming to power in recent history?

Also, why do you think it is that the sunni majority do not condemn wahabism, I mean, if both the shias and the majority of sunnis agree that wahabism are not on haqq, then why do we let them be the master of Qibla and Hajj?

The future of salafism and sunnism is the same as the future of wahabism and sunnism in my opinion, as long as the majority pf sunnis do not wish to speak out and instead get distracted by takfiri rhetoric that comes out of salafism and wahabism, making the common "enemy" the "kafir shias", then the minds of the majority of sunnis will not think about the how their own madhabs are getting extinct in favor for a more modern, shallow and narrow minded madhab that preachers "you are right and everyone ells must die and go to hell".

Excellent points brother. I agree. Definitely the third Saudi state was funded by British and they still allies with Saudis including USA. We can criticize them all we want, as long as people still buying oil from them and going to Hajj and Umrah and doing dawah to gain oil money nothing will change much. We should definitely boycott them.

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5 minutes ago, AfricanShia said:

Sunni Islam contains more than one version of Islam in it and different types of Sunnis. Thats quite alot of heresy. I dont think you want to be considered as a heretic right? :)

Sigh~ ....Keep on the topic please

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2 hours ago, SunniBrother said:

Will Salafi export funded by Saudi Arabia overtake Traditional Sunnism? Are the traditional Sunnis too weak to confront the wahhabi menace? Will salafism become the mainstream Sunni Islam in a few years? What is your thoughts on this and why.

Salafism has already taken over Sunnism. On T.V, Facebook, Youtube and other channel I only see wahabism.

When ever I meet any of suni friend they don't even know which Imam they follow and which suni branch they belong to. And sad reality is that those suni friends I know closely follow JIHADI extreme ideology. 

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50 minutes ago, SunniBrother said:

And what actions can be taken from traditional Sunnis and shia Muslims.

1. First we need to correct ourself, we should strongly stand by Quran and Ahlul Bayth (A.S).

2. Rather than focusing more on historical events, we need to express our ideology to general public.

3. Those who are sincere with religion scholar need not to confuse them. Scholar need to correct basic of their audience first i.e humanity and wajibat. 

4. More academic discussion between True suni and shia, confusions and doubts must be clear amongst each other. I believe rather than having debate who is right and who is wrong. We just share our ideologies with each other under the light or Quran and Ahlul Bayth (A.S).

5. Tolerance  must be created for each other and hate speech should be condemned. I am not being biased but I observed Shias are generally tolerant of other religions and their views.

6. We need to inform general public what is Wahabis and Salafism extreme ideology and why they are dangerous. How they are spreading terrorism all over the world. Shia scholars and Tahir ul Qadari is doing that, but more suni scholars need to come out and speak. As when shia scholars identify such things people think we are causing divide between suni and shia.

7. What is good about them we need to appreciate. We generally do stereotyping. 

8. More Youtube videos and social pages should be made to inform true picture of religion. 

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8 hours ago, SunniBrother said:

Excellent points brother. I agree. Definitely the third Saudi state was funded by British and they still allies with Saudis including USA. We can criticize them all we want, as long as people still buying oil from them and going to Hajj and Umrah and doing dawah to gain oil money nothing will change much. We should definitely boycott them.

Hmm, I dont know what we can do about Hajj, it is obligatory to do it, I think we should not provide them with more money than we absolutely have to (umrah) but we have to do Hajj.

Brother, have you ever shared your ideas with the sunni brothers in the masjid? How do the others react to your mindset?

Also, regarding the saudi family and its development, heres a nice short history clip about it:

 

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5 hours ago, IbnSina said:

Brother, have you ever shared your ideas with the sunni brothers in the masjid? How do the others react to your mindset?

No. I did not

5 hours ago, IbnSina said:

I dont know what we can do about Hajj, it is obligatory to do it

Obligatory one time in life, no need to go every year like some people.

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salaf = the first 3 generation ie 0 - 299 AH.

the 4 imams mazhab of sunni were from this generation. accordingly, sunnis  should have more right to be called as salafis.

the big question is: which salaf do the salafis/wahhabis of today follow?

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39 minutes ago, hoskot said:

salaf = the first 3 generation ie 0 - 299 AH.

the 4 imams mazhab of sunni were from this generation. accordingly, sunnis  should have more right to be called as salafis.

the big question is: which salaf do the salafis/wahhabis of today follow?

This is correct. But they don't follow the Salaf. Because they do not even share the same views of scholars like Abu Hanifa or Shafi'i. In traditional sunnism Imam Ja'afar is also considered one of the salaf. They just claim to follow the salaf, but it doesn't go beyond their throats.

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40 minutes ago, SunniBrother said:

This is correct. But they don't follow the Salaf. Because they do not even share the same views of scholars like Abu Hanifa or Shafi'i. In traditional sunnism Imam Ja'afar is also considered one of the salaf. They just claim to follow the salaf, but it doesn't go beyond their throats.

What is solution for this rapid digestion of main stream sunni into wahhabis. I think it needs to be checked. Otherwise in near future the main stream islam and sofism will become alian and salafism will be regarded as true Islam 

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23 minutes ago, islam25 said:

What is solution for this rapid digestion of main stream sunni into wahhabis. I think it needs to be checked. Otherwise in near future the main stream islam and sofism will become alian and salafism will be regarded as true Islam 

I honestly don't know. People are too tolerant of salafis. As long as the west keep buying Saudi oil, Saudi will still export wahhabism every where.

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