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2 hours ago, M.IB said:

Isn't El a canaanite god?

Yes. You find old villages named after him. Like Betel (home of the God El). Statues of him and his wife Ashera have been found many places in Canaans land.

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God didn't write His name down for anyone. God doesn't bother to speak Hebrew, Greek, or English. Anything recorded was in a language meant for men. If we are not able to speak His name why give it? We have what the Prophets called Him.

Here's a vague summary of some of my studies, and questions, because it's still confusing. 

Jehovah is a Latinized word for starters. Through oral translation YHWH and JHVH could just be a difference in how it was received one generation to another. There were no vowels in Hebrew so make of it what you like, pronounce it how you like. Once you add a few vowels pronounce it YAHWEH or JEHOVAH, or as some pronounce it, YEHOVAH, or make up your own. Obviously you wouldn't be the first.

Elohim has a different description than Jehovah in the Hebrew. While Jehovah is described as the One True God, Elohim means a whole bunch of things. Singular, plural, possibly female...basically anything spiritual that wasn't identified. How many were identified I haven't counted, but start with the Archangels, the Lord of Hosts, The Spirit of the Lord, The Word of the Lord, it goes on. Interesting to note the differences, as well as the tasks. Of course they could all  fall under the same title one time or another. Not sure how many may go by different names, or which ones are unique, nor how Moses knew which was which.

I'm not so sure the early Bibles were "corrupted" as much as altered through years of translation. The Oral scriptures were kept in the hearts of the Prophets, taught to men, recited to the youth, until the youth found a decent way to write it down. From Hebrew and Greek into Latin, then into English, then everybody wanted to sell a Bible, so how many translations now? (Imo NIV is the worst). From the Masoretic text, (basis for many translations), all references to anything spiritual ended up translated as "God", probably because the Israelites were into polygamy every chance they could.

So why would God say; "Thou shalt have no other gods, (Elohim) before me?   If Elohim was Jehovah.

Who was at the burning bush? Actually I should ask, how many were at the burning bush?

The burning bush was on the mountain of Elohim, now known as  Mount Sinai. The Angel of the Lord first, Then Moses, then Jehovah, then Elohim who speaks first, then Jehovah speaks, then Moses, then Jehovah explains the plan to get His people out of Egypt.  All called God, or Lord, meant to mean one in the same in the Baptist theology. The NIV takes the privilege of adding, "and God said" where it's not in the Masoretic, nor the KJV. 

We have this idea that one God does it all. If that is the case, why did God send Gabriel to Mary, or Muhammad? Would one God send Himself as a cloud by day and a pillar of fire at night? Why would He do what one angel could do? How arrogant would we be, to think God would spend 40 years of His time as a pillar of smoke or fire? 

None, be it The Lord, of, the Angel of, nor the Word of, are mentioned in a context of parts nor partners. All work for one God. 

At least that's what the Bible says, not exactly what the Baptists say.

 

 

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To quote a couple hadiths on the subject of Allah's names, our belief is that His names are created, and therefore not inherent to His divine essence:

علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن النضر بن سويد، عن هشام بن الحكم أنه سأل أبا عبد الله عليه السلام عن أسماء الله واشتقاقها: الله مما هو مشتق؟ قال: فقال لي: يا هشام الله مشتق من إله والاله يقتضي مألوها والاسم غير المسمى، فمن عبد الاسم دون المعنى فقد كفر ولم يعبد شيئا، ومن عبد الاسم والمعنى فقد كفر وعبد اثنين، ومن عبد المعنى دون الاسم فذاك التوحيد أفهمت يا هشام؟ قال: فقلت: زدني قال: إن لله تسعة وتسعين اسما فلو كان الاسم هو المسمى لكان كل اسم منها إلها ولكن الله معنى يدل عليه بهذه الاسماء وكلها غيره، يا هشام الخبز اسم للمأكول والماء اسم للمشروب والثوب اسم للملبوس والنار اسم للمحرق أفهمت يا هشام فهما تدفع به وتناضل به أعداء نا والمتخذين مع الله عزوجل غيره؟ قلت: نعم، قال: فقال: نفعك الله به وثبتك يا هشام، قال هشام فوالله ما قهرني أحد في التوحيد حتى قمت مقامي هذا.

`Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from an-Nadr b. Suwayd from Hisham b. al-Hakam.

He asked Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام about the names of Allah and their derivations: Where is “Allah” derived from? He said: So he said to me: O Hisham, “Allah” is derived from “god” (ilah) and “the god” (al-ilah), that which has a servant (yaqtadi ma’looha). And a name is different from what is described; for whoever worships the name without the meaning has disbelieved and has worshiped nothing. And whoever worships the name and the meaning has disbelieved and has worshiped two things. Whoever worships the meaning without the name – that is monotheism (tawhid). Have you understood, O Hisham? He said: So I said: [Explain] further for me. He said: For Allah there are ninety-nine names; so if each name were a described thing, then each name from it would be a deity. However, Allah is the meaning that these names are indicative to, and they are all something other than Him. O Hisham, “bread” is the name of an edible, “water” is the name of a beverage, “cloth” is the name of what is worn, and “fire” is the name of what burns. Have you understood, O Hisham, with a comprehension that, by which, you can defend [our cause], and struggle against our enemies and those who have taken up [a deity] besides Allah عزوجل? So I said: Yes. He said: So he said: May Allah avail you by it and make you steadfast, O Hisham.

Hisham said: By Allah, no one has overcome me in monotheism (tawhid) till this position I stand at (i.e. till this day). (al-Kafi, Volume 1, hadith 230)

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From what I have read in most of the scholarly literature, YHWH was originally a Bronze age Kenite God who was slowly transmitted north into Iron age Canaan, and was eventually adopted as the national God of the Kingdom of Israel and Judah around 930 BC. A small faction of Yahwist, the earliest known being the prophet Elijah (900 BC), advocated for the worship of YHWH alone over other gods, and this lead to other Israelite prophets like Amos (760 BC) and Hosea (730 BC) following in his foot steps. This faction eventually spread to Judah after northern refugees from Israel began fleeing south, hoping to escape the invading Assyrians. Prophets began arising in Judah, like Isaiah (700 BC), who began pushing Yahwism into the establishment. Now, at this time, the Yahwist hadn't been totally monotheistic, but more on the lines of henotheism, that is, the worship of one and only one God whilst still accepting the existence of other deities; they may have also been appropriating the qualities of other deities and ascribing them to YHWH, as with the case of the Canaanite god El being identified as YHWH. Around 648 BC, King Josiah rose to power and enacted heavy religious reforms in Judah, establishing YHWH as the only God worthy of worship in all of Judah. This is when the Torah (the Pentateuch for Christians) began its first stages of compilation, being sourced from earlier Israelite traditions. King Josiah's reforms didn't last long because his successors went straight back into idolatry. From 605 BC to 539 BC, the Babylonians conquered Judah and deported its population, until the Persians, lead by King Cyrus the Great, conquered the Babylonians and let the Jews return back to Judah. Sometime during the captivity, monotheism finally became established, and YHWH was now regarded as the only God is existence, and the God of the universe. This is when Judaism begins, and YHWH would of course go on to become the God of Christianity, and later Islam; though due to the traditions of 3rd century BC Jews, his name would be lost to us except within the limits of the tetragrammaton. Jews and Christians tend to replace YHWH with "Lord" or "the almighty", and Muslims basically renamed him "Allah", which is Arabic for "God" or "the God."

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Interesting. You could've given me a link to this topic at hand there @SunniBrother, but oh well now I get it.

So its ok to say Elah or El-Shaddai since it'll mean Allah?

Were the 72 names of God under Judeo-Christian sources been truly rejected or were some of them carried over as the 99 names of God in Islamic sources?

All in all, it all boils down to confusing semantics between Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic.

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 _ye=yehi, ho=howeh, wa=hawah_ می‌باشد. بنابراین معنای یهوه عبارت است از "کسی که هست، می‌باشد و خواهد بود".[20]

_ye = yehi, ho = howeh, wa = hawah_. Therefore, the meaning of the Lord is "who is, is and will be". [20]

http://pajoohe.ir/یهوه-Yahweh__a-45325.aspx

Dehkhoda states in this regard that "the Lord" was not the beginning of the name of the absolute God of Moses, but before his time the Israelites led him to the head of the three groups of the half-gods of the cryptoons (winged snakes) and the goddesses of the clouds Knew [6].
So this word has been used among the Israelites before the Torah descends, and it is not something that has come about with the descent of the Torah.

http://www.andisheqom.com/public/application/index/viewData?c=7978&t=qa

Edited by Ashvazdanghe

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On 19/09/2017 at 7:50 AM, Christianity said:

From what I have read in most of the scholarly literature, YHWH was originally a Bronze age Kenite God who was slowly transmitted north into Iron age Canaan, and was eventually adopted as the national God of the Kingdom of Israel and Judah around 930 BC. A small faction of Yahwist, the earliest known being the prophet Elijah (900 BC), advocated for the worship of YHWH alone over other gods, and this lead to other Israelite prophets like Amos (760 BC) and Hosea (730 BC) following in his foot steps. This faction eventually spread to Judah after northern refugees from Israel began fleeing south, hoping to escape the invading Assyrians. Prophets began arising in Judah, like Isaiah (700 BC), who began pushing Yahwism into the establishment. Now, at this time, the Yahwist hadn't been totally monotheistic, but more on the lines of henotheism, that is, the worship of one and only one God whilst still accepting the existence of other deities; they may have also been appropriating the qualities of other deities and ascribing them to YHWH, as with the case of the Canaanite god El being identified as YHWH. Around 648 BC, King Josiah rose to power and enacted heavy religious reforms in Judah, establishing YHWH as the only God worthy of worship in all of Judah. This is when the Torah (the Pentateuch for Christians) began its first stages of compilation, being sourced from earlier Israelite traditions. King Josiah's reforms didn't last long because his successors went straight back into idolatry. From 605 BC to 539 BC, the Babylonians conquered Judah and deported its population, until the Persians, lead by King Cyrus the Great, conquered the Babylonians and let the Jews return back to Judah. Sometime during the captivity, monotheism finally became established, and YHWH was now regarded as the only God is existence, and the God of the universe. This is when Judaism begins, and YHWH would of course go on to become the God of Christianity, and later Islam; though due to the traditions of 3rd century BC Jews, his name would be lost to us except within the limits of the tetragrammaton. Jews and Christians tend to replace YHWH with "Lord" or "the almighty", and Muslims basically renamed him "Allah", which is Arabic for "God" or "the God."

Can you please share a link that states what those scholars said about YHWH. I would appreciate it 

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2 hours ago, MohammadAli1993 said:

Can you please share a link that states what those scholars said about YHWH. I would appreciate it 

Here is a link to a course on the entire Hebrew Bible. 24 hours long. Lecture 7, from the 27th minute, deals with the name of Jahwe. 

http://numerocinqmagazine.com/2013/05/20/introduction-to-the-old-testament-open-yale/

Edited by andres

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4 hours ago, shia farm girl said:

@Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Salaam brother, id be interested to see your input here, in sha Allah.

W/s

I will this tonight when I am home. Most "scholars" have no clue- they regurgitate only what most superstitious rabbis have written. 

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On 9/12/2017 at 10:10 AM, MohammadAli1993 said:

SalamAlaykum Brothers and sisters, I hope you are well. 

I had another question that came in my mind. We have ancient texts of the Jewish Bible (Tanakh/Old Testament) that the name of the LORD was YHWH. But what about according to Islam? Was wondering if one of the names of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى was YHWH or if it's a man made name. 

Would really appreciate if a knowledgeable brother or sister can reply 

Jazakallah khair 

The closest that it would be in Arabic would be AL-Hayyu. YHWH is actually Aramaic and not Hebrew; the Aramaic was used in the Hebrew Text to prevent confusion as the Hebrew YHYH is used throughout the Hebrew Text. HYH is not an Aramaic verb and is not used in the Aramaic Text; what one will find is that YHWH never appeared in the Aramaic Texts of the Bible in reference to the Deity- this is simply because the Aramaic HWH is used exactly the way the Hebrew HYH is used.

To prevent the Aramaic YHWH from being confused for Deity in the Aramaic Texts of the Bible, the scribes changed the normal Yod prefix to a Lam- LHWH instead of YHWH. Doing this, the reader understood that the verb was not meat for the YHWH of the Hebrew Text. Below is an article I wrote on the subject few years ago.

The pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] has been hotly debated for the last two centuries. Many linguists, scholars, and theologians have tackled this topic with less than unanimous agreement on the pronunciation. For the most part, these great men have promoted pronunciations that were based upon, what they deemed, Theophoric name present in the Bible, upon the historical evidence of earlier scholars and theologians who were witnesses living closer in time to the ancient Israelite peoples of Canaan, or upon perceived scribal errors contained in the Masoretic Text─ even upon claims of revealed knowledge. None had, till now, attempted a purely grammatical approach to the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. There are several factors which can be used to deduce the true pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. There is textual evidence in the Bible which can be used to gain insights into the true pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. There is the fact that the verb root of the Tetragrammaton is an Aramaic verb and not a Hebrew verb. The use of the Tetragrammaton is restricted to the Hebrew portions and does not appear in any of the Aramaic portions of scripture. The use of the Lamed prefix in the book of Daniel is exclusively for the verb HaWaH הוה and can show the actual conjugation of the verb root of the Tetragrammaton as a Pa’al 3rd masculine singular of havah (הוה). Finally, there are inscriptions of the Tetragrammaton which can demonstrate the mist ancient spelling of the Divine Name of the Israelites.

The Tetragrammaton is the name used in reference to the four letters used to write the name of God in the Hebrew text of the Bible. In the Hebrew Text, these letters were written as (יהוה), which would be rendered YHWH in English letters. This name was utilized some 6,823 times in the Hebrew text of the Bible (Brown-Driver-Briggs 217). The Tetragrammaton was pronounced by the Hebrew people in all areas of religious devotion, social contracts, greetings and possibly curses, from the High Priest to the humble servant. The pronunciation began to decline after the ban was ordered by Antiochus IV Epiphanes around 168 BCE (Babylonian Talmud, Rosh Hashannah 18b). Finally, this pronunciation ceased due to the permanent ban by Abba Saul c. 150 CE (Nehemia Gordon, pg. 4). As a result of this ban, the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton is presumed to be lost.

The true pronunciation has always been considered of prime importance. As early as the fourth century CE, this Tetragrammaton was being pondered by the Greek Church. In his commentary on Exodus, Theodoret of Cyrus purported that the correct pronunciation was forbidden among the Jews who subsequently “pronounced it as IAO, but the Samaritans pronounced the name as IABE” (Theodoret, Questions on Exodus, XV). This has given rise to many interpretations surrounding the Tetragammaton’s pronunciation: the two most prevalent follows.

The Anglicized Jehovah is considered to be an 1100 CE invention based upon earlier texts of magical incantations (The Harvard Theological Review 318). This pronunciation was used in many Latin publications between 1200 and 1300 CE (Sir Godfrey Driver paragraph 7). In 1516, Peter Galatin, suggested the Tetragrammaton was often pronounced by Pope Leo X, to whom he was a penitentiary. According to Galatin, the Pope approved the pronunciation as JeHoVaH (De Arcanus Catholicae Veritatis, folio XLII). This was then promoted by Gilbert Genebrard (c. 1537-97 CE), a French Benedictine exegete and also the professor of Hebrew at the College Royal in Paris (Lang 207). By 1530, the Tetragrammaton passed into the English Bible translations as Iehouah, which was first used by William Tyndale (Tyndale, 1530, Tyndale Bible, Gen. 15:2). Today, this version of the Tetragrammaton is being hailed as the true and correct pronunciation by many Karaites, howbeit, corrected to be more Hebrew sounding- for instance Yehowah/Yehovah (Melech ben Ya’aqov, 2010). The influence of Karaites, such as Nehemia Gordon, has also led to the proclamation of Yehovah as the true pronunciation among the Christian movements (Johnson, 2010).

One of the most famous pronunciations of the Tetragrammaton is Yahweh. This name was promoted at large by Wilhelm Gesenius (Gesenius 337). Gesenius is regarded as one of the most influential Hebrew scholars of the 19th century; he published this opinion in his Lexicon which was widely used in Universities at the time and even late into the 20th century. Oddly, in his entry for YHWH (יהוה), he explained that he based his Yahweh pronunciation on the works of early commentators such as Theodoret rather than any sound rules of grammar. Nevertheless, this pronunciation was soon preferred and adopted by university elites worldwide. The fact of the matter is the Yahweh pronunciation, which is so prominent among the academic elites, was but a guess which requires a re-examination from a more reliable source: namely, the Masoretic Text itself.

One of the greatest hurdles which one must confront is whether or not the Tetragrammaton is a verb or a noun. This is not so easy to solve. On the one hand, the Tetragrammaton is derived from a pa'al 1st and 3rd imperfect conjugation (Exodus 3, 14-15). On the other hand, the Tetragrammaton was used in construct forms and appeared with inseparable prepositions and very much resembles a noun. There are places where the YHWH is preceded by the emphatic 1st personal pronoun, Anoki, which seems a bit strange, because, if the Tetragrammaton were a verb, it would mean "I am He Is/Shall Be". However, the usage of the emphatic personal pronoun along with a 3rd imperfect verb is also found in the early Semitic languages, such as Ugaritic, for monarchs. Looking at some of the constructions, such as Anoki YHWH eloheikha “I am He Is/Shall Be Your Deity” (Exodus 20, 2), the Tetragrammaton seems easily understandable as I am He Who Shall Be Your Deity.  However, there are places where the emphatic personal pronoun Anoki was used with verbs, mainly participles, for instance in Exodus 34, 10, Anoki Kareith berith “I am cutting a covenant;” this pronoun was never used with a 3rd imperfect form, but with participles and 1st perfect forms.

To this day, the oldest known vocalized Aramaic text is found in the Masoretic Text of the Bible. Research of the Aramaic portions of the Masoretic Text has shown that the proper inflection for the 3rd imperfect conjugation of HWH was recorded in the books of Ezra and Daniel; YeHeWeA/H [יֶהֱוֵא] was how the 3rd imperfect was conjugated by the Masorete scribes in the pointing of this verb in the books of Ezra and Daniel (see Daniel 2,20 and 4, 22; Ezra 4, 12). In addition, further research on the Masoretic Text has demonstrated that when a name was formed upon a 3rd imperfect verb conjugation, the only change (from a verb to a noun) was in the final syllable. The final syllable, especially in the Lamed-He verbs, received a Qamets as opposed to the Seghol-He which was common for the final syllable in Lamed-He verbs for example, the verb yishweh was changed to Yishwah in 1 Chronicles 7, 30 and the verb yishpeh was changed to Yishpah in 1 Chronicles 8, 16. Even in the Lamed-Guttural verbs, the normal Pathach was changed to a Qamets when forming a noun from the 3rd imperfect as was the case for the verb yiftach (with Pathach) in Deuteronomy 28, 12 which was changed to Yiftach (with Qamets) when it was used as a noun in Judges  11, 3. This demonstrates that if the Tetragrammaton were a noun, as opposed to a verb, then the final syllable would of necessity have a Qamets which is the norm for every other noun form based upon the 3rd imperfect in the Masoretic Text. Now the question arises, "What about the other vowels in the Tetragrammaton if it were a noun built upon the 3rd imperfect?"

If it is to be assumed that the Tetragrammaton was a noun based upon the 3rd imperfect form, then the next question should be, "How should the preceding syllables be inflected?" As explained above, if the Tetragrammaton was a noun, then the only changes should be in the final syllable as was demonstrated by other nouns derived from an imperfect 3rd. The syllabification of Hebrew nouns, as used by the Masoretic Tradition, is as follows: A) Short vowels prefer an open accented or a closed unaccented syllable, B) Long vowels, changeable or unchangeable, prefer closed accented, or open pre-tonic syllables, C) Hateph vowels prefer the pro-pre-tonic syllables containing the gutturals, D) Vocal Shewa prefers the pro-pre-tonic syllables containing consonants other than gutturals.

There is, however, another matter to consider; the presence of the gutturals Alef (א), He (ה), Chet (ח), Ayin (ע), and Resh (ר), as one of the stem radicals (the letters of the root), forces a change in the inflection that a syllable should take and also the vowels which should be used in the syllable containing the guttural. The rule to Pe-Gutturals states that pa'al imperfect verbs which end in a Holem, begin with a Pathach or Qamets, while Pe-Gutturals which end in a Pathach begin with a Seghol (Introduction to Biblical Hebrew, Kennedy, page 146; Gesenius Hebrew Grammar, section 62-65); the verb ya’amod יַעֲמֹד  follows this rule, but this isn’t the case for HaWaH. According to Gesenius and Kennedy, all Pe-Aspirants/Lamed-He verbs will also begin with Seghol. This is why, even though Gesenius suggested the YaHWeH pronunciation (due to the Greek witnesses), he admited that the actual conjugation of HWH, in the imperfect 3rd, was YeHeWeH [יֶהֱוֶה] (Gesenius' Hebrew Lexicon page 247). An over-simplification of these rules are: 1) Gutturals prefer an "a" class vowel before and after, 2) Pa'al Imperfect Dynamic verbs prefer an "a" class vowel in the imperfect preformative prefix instead of the normal Hireq of the imperfect preformative prefix (yi), 3) Pa'al Imperfect verbs prefer a Seghol in the imperfect preformative prefix instead of the normal Hireq of the imperfect preformative prefix (yi), 4) The Hebrew verbs HYH (היה) and CHYH (חיה) were exceptions to these rules where the (yi) prefix was retained in the imperfect and the Pe-Guttural initial stem radical retained the silent Shewa.

Based on these rules, the 3rd imperfect verb HWH (הוה) becomes YeHeWeH (יֶהֱוֶה) when conjugated. This was demonstrated to be the case in the Aramaic conjugation of the 3rd imperfect of HWH (הוה) found in Daniel and Ezra. If, as explained above, the only difference between the 3rd imperfect verb and nouns which are built upon them was the change in the final syllable, then the Tetragrammaton should be inflected as a noun built upon the 3rd imperfect of HWH (הוה)- which should be YeHeWaH (יֶהֱוָה) as all the evidence of the Masoretic pointing demonstrated. The conjugation of the Hebrew HWH (הוה), then, as a verb in the 3rd imperfect is YeHeWeH (יֶהֱוֶה), while the inflection as a noun would be YeHeWaH (יֶהֱוָה).

It has been suggested by some etymologists, that the Tetragrammaton may have the vowels which are found in names such as [יְרֹהָם] Yeroham (1 Samuel 1,1). Yeroham was built upon the noun form of a pu'al conjugation: yeruham (יְרֻחַם). The evident changes in the pu'al derived noun were the Holem and Qamets as opposed to the Qibbuts-Pathach in the verb. This inflection should seem very strange for the Tetragrammaton because this conjugation is passive and would give the meaning of YeHoWaH as (He Was Made to Be); this would demand that the deity of Israel had a beginning.

The vowels of YHWH, which were utilized in the Bible, were specifically used to represent that the Tetragrammaton was to be pronounced as either Adonai or Elohim. When YHWH stood alone, the vowels of Adonai were transposed upon the Tetragrammaton. When, however, the Tetragrammaton preceded or followed Adonai, the vowels of Elohim were transposed upon the Tetragrammaton. This is proven by the different vowels which are found upon the Tetragrammaton, as well as the usage of these vowels in relation to how near YHWH was to Adonai. In the Bible, the following vowels were used in connection with YHWH: יְהֹוָה (Y'howah) used a total of 29 times,  יֱהוִה (Yehwih) used a total of 304 times; יֱהֹוִה (Yehowih) used only once in Judges 16:28; יְהֹוִה (Y'howih) used a total of 23 times, יְהוִה (Y'hwih) used a total of 207 times, and יְהוָה (Y'hwah) used a total of 6, 268 times

In a search performed of the Bible, for words which had a He-Waw-Hireq combination, it was found that- in the entire Bible- the only word which used the He-Waw-Hireq (הוִ) was the Tetragrammaton YHWH. In every instance, the Tetragrammaton was either preceded by or followed by Adonai. There was one instance which proved extremely interesting; in Psalm 68, 21, the Tetragrammaton had not only a conjunction, but an inseparable preposition and is written weleiHWiH (וְלֵיוִה). This is interesting because, in this instance, the Tetragrammaton preceded Adonai. Naturally, this should mean that YHWH should carry the vowels of Elohim. The presence of the inseparable preposition L' (לְ) with the Tsere demonstrated that this was the case. In Hebrew grammar, there is a special rule for prefixing inseparable prepositions to Elohim; instead of the normal vocal Shewa, which the prepositions normally take, when they are prefixed to Elohim, the preposition takes a Tsere and the Aleph is quiescent. The similar is the case when prefixing a preposition to Adonai only, in that case, the preposition normally takes a Pathach as opposed to the vocal Shewa. When, however, the inseparable prepositions M (מְ), SH (שְׁ), and the article H (הָ) are used, the Aleph of Adonai is not quiescent, but is audible-that is, the aleph is pronounced. This was demonstrated in every case that a preposition is prefixed to YHWH when the Tetragrammaton stands alone; the preposition always takes a Pathach with the Yodh having no pointing which indicated the quiescent nature of the Aleph- except in those places where the M (מְ), SH (שְׁ), and the H (הָ) were used (Gesenius’ Hebrew Grammar § 102) . In those cases, the Yodh of YHWH took a vocal shewa which indicated the vocal nature of the Aleph in Adonai. Places in the Bible where this was demonstrated are: Genesis 47, 18 where it read MeiAdonai (מֵֽאֲדֹנִ֔י) and Genesis 18, 14 where it read MeiYeHWaH (מֵיְהוָ֖ה); Psalm 144, 15 where it read SheYaHWaH (שֶׁיֲהוָ֥ה); and Psalm 136, 3 where the article was used and it read HaAdonim (הָאֲדֹנִ֑ים).

Another rule for inseparable prepositions, as well as the conjunction Waw, concerns the prefixing of these propositions to a word which had a vocal Shewa as the first radical, for instance, Yehudah. When, in these cases, an inseparable preposition was prefixed to these words, the prefix took a Hireq and the Yodh was assimilated to the Hireq. This means that the vocal Shewa was never pronounced. When a preposition was prefixed to Yehudah, for instance L' (לְ), it became LiHudah and not LiYehudah. This was never the case with YHWH; in every instance, the preposition took a Pathach. This provides proof positive that the vowels used by the Masoretic Text on YHWH were the vowels of Adonai and Elohim transposed upon the YHWH and that these vowels do not, in any way, represent any possible pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton as it appears in the Masoretic Text. This shows that the Masoretes were simply abiding by the rabbinical ordinance in an attempt to prevent the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton by anyone reading the Bible.

What this really demonstrated was that the vowels of YHWH, as is presently found in the Masoretic Text, cannot represent the Tetragrammaton as a noun which would conform to the Hebrew rules of noun syllabification. The reason that the Tetragrammaton appeared in construct forms and with prepositions, and etc. is because the Tetragrammaton represented the words Adonai and Elohim. In those places where YHWH was used in the construct, for instance,  YHWH Tsevaoth, YHWH always took a Qamets in the final syllable; this clarified, to the reader, that YHWH was to be pronounced as Adonai and so the reader would read Adonei Tseva'oth (אֲדֹנֵי צְבָאֹות). A great example of this is found in 1 Samuel 1,3 where the phrase was prefixed with a preposition; true to the Masoretic Text tradition of the use of inseparable prefixes with YHWH, there is a Pathach on the proposition which identified the YHWH was indeed to be read as Adonai. The result was that, in this place, the phrase was to be read as Ladonei Tsevaoth (לַאדֹנֵי צְבָאֹות); the Pathach naturally caused the Aleph to become quiescent. Based upon this information, it is entirely plausible that the phrase originally could have been YeHeWaH Elohei Tsevaoth (יֶהֱוָה אֱלֹהֵי צְבָאֹות) as it was found in places such as Psalm 89, 9.

The Tetragrammaton first appears in the Biblical text in Genesis 2:4; from this point, the Tetragrammaton was given various vowels─all of which seem, at first glance, to be random. As explained above, the various vowel patterns, as they are currently found in the Westminster Leningrad Codex and the number of occurrences, are: יֱהֹוִה (1), יֱהוִה (2), יְהֹוִה (29), יְהֹוָה (39), יְהוִה (266), and יְהוָה (5,253) totaling 5,590 occurrences of the Tetragrammaton with 5 vowels and 6 vowel patterns (Leningrad Codex). The only answer for the variation of these vowel patterns is that the vowels, as listed in the Hebrew Text, are not the original vowels for the Tetragrammaton. According to the Rabbis, though the Tetragrammaton was written as YHWH (יהוה), it was to be read as Adonai אדני (Babylonian Talmud, Chapter 3, page 50). It has already been demonstrated that the Tetragrammaton is indeed supplied with the vowels of Adonai in those places it stands alone or is not is a close position to another Adonai in the text. In those places where the Tetragrammaton followed Adonai in the text, or was in close proximity to Adonai, it was supplied with the vowels of Elohim (אלהים). In all cases, the holem was the constant, as this vowel appears in both Adonai and Elohim in the second syllable. It could reasonably be argued that the Tetragrammaton does not contain the vowels of Adonai or Elohim, because the first vowel is, in the majority of cases, a vocal shewa. This is easily overcome by the fact that in Adonai and Elohim the first letter is an Alef (א). According to convention, the gutturals in the propretonic position take a hatef vowel and the non-guttural letters in the propretonic position take a vocal shewa (Pratico, Pelt, 2001).

The meaning of the Tetragrammaton is explained in the Hebrew text as EHYeH asher EHYeH אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה (Bible, Exodus 3,14). This is not the name of God, but the meaning of His name. In the next clause, He commands Moses to tell the Israelites “EHYeH אֶהְיֶה sent me” (ibid.). That EHYeH is the 1st imperfect singular of the verb HaYaH הָיָה , there is no doubt. The real problem to the pronunciation comes with the following verse. In this place, the 1st imperfect verb אֶהְיֶה is changed to יהוה (ibid. 3,15). This is beyond doubt an imperfect verb. The initial Yodhh, then, is the prefix for the imperfect 3rd. The final seghol He is a vowel letter and is not part of the root. What is left is HW הו , which clearly identifies the root as HaWaH הָוָה . HaWaH is the Aramaic verb and is used in much the same way as the HaYaH is used in Hebrew. That HaWaH is not essentially Hebrew is made clear by the limited occurrences in the Hebrew text. In the pa’al 3rd imperfect, this verb is used exclusively for the Tetragrammaton of the Israelite’s deity, the only exception being Ecclesiastes 11,3. On the other hand, this verb is never used for the deity of Israel in any of the Aramaic portions of the Bible.

The inseparable prepositions, which are attached to the Tetragrammaton, are a tell-tale sign that the vowels upon the Tetragrammaton are not the original vowels; they indicate very precisely the opposite. In all cases in which the Tetragrammaton carries an inseparable preposition, the vowel patterns are for the pronunciation of either Adonai or Elohim. If YeHoWaH were the true pronunciation, which would be based upon only one vowel pattern found for the Tetragammaton, the prepositions would always take a hireq─ in every case; the hireq is used with these prepositions when preceding a Yodhh with a vocal shewa. The Leningrad Codex demonstrates that this was never the case, such as the following example found in Deuteronomy 29,28: הַ֨נִּסְתָּרֹ֔ת לַיהוָ֖ה אֱלֹהֵ֑ינוּ hanistaroth laYHWaH eloheinu. This makes it clear that the scribes trans-positioned the vowels of Adonai onto the Tetragrammaton. In this passage the Lamed was prefix with the Patach; this would only happen if the Tetragrammaton was to be pronounced as Adonai─ which was the rule when the Tetragrammaton was in close proximity to Elohim. If it were to be pronounced with a vocal shewa, then the Lamed prefix would take a hireq. However, it was to be pronounced as patach before a hateph patach (the vowel which is upon the Aleph in Adonai), so the Lamed naturally takes the patach. A great example of how the Lamed prefixed to Adonai takes a patach vowel is Genesis 18, 30 which reads: וַ֠יֹּאמֶר אַל־ןָ֞א יִ֤חַר לַֽאדֹנָי֙ wayomer al-na yihar lAdonai.

Another example is found in Deuteronomy 33,7 of the Leningrad Codex how a Lamed prefix upon a word containing a vocal shewa in the Yodh of the first syllable. In this case, it is Yehudah. The verse reads: וְזֹ֣את לִֽיהוּדָה֮ wezoth lihudah ; here the Lamed has a hireq while the Yodh quiesces. This would be the same case for the Tetragrammaton if it had a vocal shewa upon the Yodh in the first syllable. However, the Lamed prefixing the Tetragrammaton in the Text never carries a hireq, which shows the Yodh was never pronounced, with vocal shewa or otherwise.

The next example is Psalm 68,20 וְלֵיהוִ֥ה אֲדֹנָ֑י weleYHWiH Adonai. In this verse, the Lamed prefix of the Tetragrammaton takes a tsere, which is the case when the Tetragrammaton was to be pronounced as Elohim. It is so in this case because the Tetragrammaton is in close proximity to Adonai in the Text. Normally, the Lamed prefix would take a seghol when it precedes a hateph seghol (the vowel which is used on the Aleph of Elohim), however, there is a special rule when Lamed is prefixed to Elohim─ in this case, it would always take a tsere and not a seghol. It should be noticed, in addition, that the vowels of the Tetragrammaton have the vowels of Elohim. When Elohim was prefixed with Lamed, as the Tetragrammaton is, then Elohim would be vocalized with Lamed tsere, holem, and hireq which is evidenced by Genesis 17,7  לִהְיֹ֤ות לְךָ֙ לֵֽאלֹהִ֔ים lihyoth lekha leilohim.
All these examples clearly show how the scribes interpolated the vowels of Adonai and Elohim upon the Tetragrammaton in the Hebrew Text. There were five vowels used in 6 vowel patterns by the scribes; none were meant to be the true vowels of the Tetragrammaton, but were interpolated vowels. Anytime the vowel pattern demonstrated a qamets in the final syllable it was to be pronounced Adonai; while anytime it demonstrated a hireq in the final syllable it was to be pronounced Elohim. It was for this reason that using any vocalization of the Tetragrammaton based upon the current vowel patterns found in the Masoretic Text is incorrect. These vocalizations are false patterns which were used only to aid the reader as to which way the Tetragrammaton was to be pronounced.

Based upon the meaning given to the Tetragrammaton by God in Exodus 3:14, the Tetragrammaton is a verb. Knowing the root of the Tetragrammaton, it is clear to see that there is no difference in meaning or function from HaYaH. Both are verbs in the imperfect conjugation. In acknowledgment of this, the conjugation of HaWaH in the 3rd imperfect should naturally be valid.  When a guttural closes an unstressed syllable, the preceding vowel will be seghol in place of the hireq, and the vowel after the guttural would take a hateph in the place where a non-guttural would take a shewa. Since the vowel preceding the guttural would be seghol, in place of hireq, then the hateph must be hateph seghol. Hence you would have YeHeWeH יֶהֱוֶה instead of YiHWeH יִהְוֶה . (Muraoka, 2011, pg. 79), also the verbs prefer seghol/hateph-seghol, while the dynamic verbs prefer pathach/hateph-pathach (Cook, Holmstedt, 2007, pg. 113). In the case of HaYaH היה and ChaYaH חיה , these verbs have an irregular pattern as compared to other I-Guttural verbs, therefore, the hireq is retained (Bickell, 1877,  page 92 section 123).

There is also the word of Gesenius- who influenced so many with his proposition of YaHWeH. He writes in his lexicon, under the entry for the Hebrew הָוָה , as well as that of the Aramaic/Chaldee HaWaH הֲוָה,  that the imperfect form would be YeHeWeH יֶהֱוֶה (Gesenius, 1846, pg. 219). Yet he rejects the sound rules of grammar for a pronunciation which is never attested in any of the Semitic languages in which HaWaH is employed and where YHWH was not held as a divine Tetragrammaton (Beitzel, 1980, pg. 18).

Aside from the lexicographers and grammarians of Biblical Hebrew, there is the Biblical text itself, which is a witness delivered to us by the Masoretic scribes. When the Aramaic portions of the Bible were being recorded, the lack of another verb presented a problem for them. The scribes knew there was a ban upon the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton─evidently the pe’al 3rd imperfect of HaWaH (הֲוָה) ─which grammatically would conjugate as YeHeWeiA יֶהֱוֵא in the Aramaic. This pronunciation is almost indistinguishable from the Hebrew conjugation YeHeWeH יֶהֱוֶה . The spelling variation itself poses no real difference in meaning as the final Tsere-Alef in Aramaic is a vowel letter much like the Seghol-He in the Hebrew. In the only place in the Hebrew text where the pa’al 3rd imperfect of HaWaH is employed, the verb is apocopated from YeHeWeH יֶהֱוֶה and spelled YeHuA יְהוּא (Gesenius, 1865, pg. 219).

The solution the Masoretic scribes settled upon was to invent a new pe’al 3rd imperfect prefix for the verb HaWaH הֲוָה . In the place of the pre-formative Yodh, which is normally employed in the 3rd imperfect, the scribes substituted a Lamed seghol; the normal YeHeWeiA יֶהֱוֵא then becomes LeHeWeiA לֶהֱוֵא (Bible, Daniel 4:45). This Lamed prefix is an invention specifically for the HaWaH verb in the 3rd imperfect (Gesenius, 1865, pg. 219; Greenspahn, 2007, pgs. 79, 119). Though the Lamed prefix is attested in Rabbinic Aramaic, as well as later dialects such as Syriac and Mandaic, in Biblical Aramaic, it was exclusive for the verb HaWaH (Greenspahn, 2007, pg. 119).

The Masoretic scribes knew that the verb HaWaH, as used in Daniel, would need to be pronounced because, in these places, the verb did not represent the Tetragrammaton. The verb would have been vocalized by many readers of the Aramaic portion which would cause them to violate the ban by default. As a solution, they needed to change only the prefix which gave the verb a different inflection, thereby, preventing anyone from violating the ban on the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. In the Hebrew portions, it was sufficient to use the Aramaic YHWH in place of the Hebrew YHYH, as HWH is not a Hebrew verb and is rarely seen in the Hebrew text. However, the verb HYH does not exist in the Biblical Aramaic, so the scribes were forced to invent the Lamed prefix.

In Soleb, Egypt, there is a temple which was constructed by Amenhotep III around 1400-1360 BCE. In this temple, he had names of enemies inscribed upon the base of the temple's pillars. On one of these pillars- on the northern side- was an inscription which read tꜣ. shꜣ su. YHwꜣ- literally, the land [tꜣ] of the nomads [shꜣsu] of [YHwꜣ]. The final compliment in the inscription is considered a toponym. It is of interest to note that the YHwꜣ in the inscription was spelled with the phonetic signs       which indicated the phonetic signs for Y [ ], H [ ], and the biliteral phonetic sign wꜣ which represented two phonetic sound- W [ ] and the glottal stop [ ], which is known as the Semitic Alef [א]. This, in fact, represented the Aramaic conjugation of the name YHWH- יהוא. This is significant in the fact that Hebrew, as a distinct dialect of Cana'anite, did not begin to emerge until the time of the early kings of Israel- between 1200 and 500 BCE. Abraham migrated to Cana'an from Mesopotamia- the land of the Aramaeans; Jacob spent more than 20 years with his uncle Laban, the Aramaean before returning to Cana'an; all of his children- except Benjamin- were born in Aramaea. For this reason, during the ceremony of the first fruits, the Israelites were commanded to recite, "My father was a perishing Aramaean, so he went to Egypt with a few men and there he became a great many" (Deuteronomy 26:5). The inscription of Amenhotep III represented a time when the Israelites were still Aramaeans and spoke Aramaic. This inscription predated the Mesha Stele by about 500 years.

The great Hebrew scholars Gesenius, Muraoka, Bickell and their associates show with sound reason the rules which govern the conjugation of HaWaH as YeHeWeH. The great lexicographers have followed suite (Davies, 1879, pg. 160; Harkavy, 1914, pg. 119; Lee, 1840, pg. 151; Riggs, 1858, pg. 129). The Aramaic text of Daniel shows unequivocally that the conjugation of the verb HaWaH is YeHeWeA/H (יֶהֱוֵא/ה) the Hebrew equivalent being YeHeWeH (יֶהֱוֶה). The earliest inscription of the Tetragrammaton also demonstrated the Aramaic spelling. The grammatical rules are the only solution to what the possibilities are in regard the true pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. It has been clearly demonstrated that the current vowels upon the Tetragrammaton are not the proper vowels for it, but are transposed form Adonai and Elohim. Further, it has been explained how Biblical names which were built upon a 3rd imperfect pa’al changed inflection only in the last syllable, this is especially clear of the Lamed-He verbs. According to the inflections provided by the Masoretes, there are two possibilities for the Tetragrammaton; one possibility is the Tetragrammaton is a noun, the other possibility is that it is a verb. As a noun, following the pattern of nouns found in the Masoretic Text, the Tetragrammaton would be YeHeWaH (יֶהֱוָה); as a verb, it will be conjugated according to the pattern found in the Aramaic portions of Ezra and Daniel as YeHeWeA/H (יֶהֱוֵא/ה). In light of this research, it is the opinion of the author that the pronunciation of YHWH has never been lost, only discouraged and prohibited.

 

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Beitzel, Barry J. “Exodus 3:14 and the Divine Tetragrammaton: A Case of Biblical Paranomasia”. Trinity Journal, 1 NS, 1980, 5-20, page 18.

Ben Ya’aqov, Melech. “The Tetragrammaton of Elohim (God): Yehowah or Yehovah?”, Karaite Insights

 

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The Verbal System of the Aramaic of Daniel, Tsaree Li page 127

 

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9 hours ago, Yaaqov Ben Yisrael said:

I apologize for any misunderstanding; this platform will not allow me to write hieroglyphics.

Don't need hieroglyphics, Got lost enough times reading that already. 

Can we back up to where YHWH was an Aramaic word used so as not to be confused with Deity?

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Wikipedia,yahve, says : " he (yahve) later become the name of their God !"  So now question raises that what was the name of God from the first ?! Jews were not allowed to pronounce the name of the God "Allah", they used yahve as a label, temporary name . Reference:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah1.htm

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3 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

Don't need hieroglyphics, Got lost enough times reading that already. 

Can we back up to where YHWH was an Aramaic word used so as not to be confused with Deity?

Sure, I will try to make it a bit easier. 

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13 hours ago, Yaaqov Ben Yisrael said:

The closest that it would be in Arabic would be AL-Hayyu. YHWH is actually Aramaic and not Hebrew; the Aramaic was used in the Hebrew Text to prevent confusion as the Hebrew YHYH is used throughout the Hebrew Text. HYH is not an Aramaic verb and is not used in the Aramaic Text; what one will find is that YHWH never appeared in the Aramaic Texts of the Bible in reference to the Deity- this is simply because the Aramaic HWH is used exactly the way the Hebrew HYH is used.

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The pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] has been hotly debated for the last two centuries. Many linguists, scholars, and theologians have tackled this topic with less than unanimous agreement on the pronunciation. For the most part, these great men have promoted pronunciations that were based upon, what they deemed, Theophoric name present in the Bible, upon the historical evidence of earlier scholars and theologians who were witnesses living closer in time to the ancient Israelite peoples of Canaan, or upon perceived scribal errors contained in the Masoretic Text─ even upon claims of revealed knowledge. None had, till now, ...

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Salam/Shalom Bro.

Thank you.

In a different way l am posting something similar from my study. Feel free to shoot-this-down with information-fire. :)

An archeological magazine said a religious stone/pillar was found inscription had "Yaw" chiseled into it. The stand alone "Yaw" being used for the God-of-Noah-s.w.t..

Since the name of Him-s.w.t. is considered "so sacred" as to be pronounced only at certain events (l personally do not like using 'festivities' in religious subject matter); the "Ya-weh" people say is a transposition of "eh-Yaw" ---the God-of-Noah-s,w,t, 

Which is a cross-language equivalent: eh-Yaw and al-Lah.

Note for you Classical Arabic purists:  The preposition "of" is not only a possessive, but also a preposition of reference. Therefore, God-of-Noah--s.w.t. is a correct description. Supplement: What Quran reveals is a short version of the Biblical story.

 

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9 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Salam/Shalom Bro.

Thank you.

In a different way l am posting something similar from my study. Feel free to shoot-this-down with information-fire. :)

An archeological magazine said a religious stone/pillar was found inscription had "Yaw" chiseled into it. The stand alone "Yaw" being used for the God-of-Noah-s.w.t..

Since the name of Him-s.w.t. is considered "so sacred" as to be pronounced only at certain events (l personally do not like using 'festivities' in religious subject matter); the "Ya-weh" people say is a transposition of "eh-Yaw" ---the God-of-Noah-s,w,t, 

Which is a cross-language equivalent: eh-Yaw and al-Lah.

Note for you Classical Arabic purists:  The preposition "of" is not only a possessive, but also a preposition of reference. Therefore, God-of-Noah--s.w.t. is a correct description. Supplement: What Quran reveals is a short version of the Biblical story.

 

I will respond later more in depth, but the rabbinic ban on pronouncing the Name is b/s. In fact, it is contrary and in violation of Torah. 

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2 hours ago, Arminmo said:

Wikipedia,yahve, says : " he (yahve) later become the name of their God !"  So now question raises that what was the name of God from the first ?! Jews were not allowed to pronounce the name of the God "Allah", they used yahve as a label, temporary name . Reference:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah1.htm

It makes sense if yahve referes to the Arabic word : Ya HoVa یا هو

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5 hours ago, Arminmo said:

Wikipedia,yahve, says : " he (yahve) later become the name of their God !"  So now question raises that what was the name of God from the first ?! Jews were not allowed to pronounce the name of the God "Allah", they used yahve as a label, temporary name . Reference:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah1.htm

Genesis 17:1 King James Version:

" And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect."

Bibles often translate the original Jahwe=Lord and El=God. The name El is believed to be of same origin an Allah.

El was originally a Canaanite God. Israelites were Canaanites. The origin of Jahwe is disputed. Maybe Egyptian

 

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3 hours ago, andres said:

Genesis 17:1 King James Version:

" And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect."

Bibles often translate the original Jahwe=Lord and El=God. The name El is believed to be of same origin an Allah.

El was originally a Canaanite God. Israelites were Canaanites. The origin of Jahwe is disputed. Maybe Egyptian

 

You are referring to your books, Torah and newtestament, the thing is , for referring to a book , at first book should be reliable: means : it should be 1- untouched and 2- it should have been written at the time of prophet (under supervision of prophet) so no one could add or delete a word from it.  Your books doesn't have these 2 characteristics of a reliable a book. So they are unreliable and you can't refer them. The only reliable holy book that has those 2 characteristics is Quran.  (Your gospels were also written century, decades later! unreliable.)

Go to Wikipedia , book of Genesis, under origin it says: " recent studies says book was created at 6 b.c.e. !"  so it means it's written by rabbies !! It's an unreliable book. And guess what ? It's the same changed book that you Christian's refer to for knowing of which son was to put for sacrifice.

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12 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

Don't need hieroglyphics, Got lost enough times reading that already. 

Can we back up to where YHWH was an Aramaic word used so as not to be confused with Deity?

According to the Torah, G-D revealed His name to Mosheh [AS]; in this, He explained that His name was EHYeH asher EHYeH [אהיה אשׁר אהיה] {Exodus 3:14}. EHYeH is the 1st person singular imperfect of the verb HaYaH [היה] which meant to live, to be, to exist. As in Arabic, the 1st person is prefixed by the Alef [א]. This root is not in Arabic however, the masculine and feminine personal pronouns are built from this Semitic root huwa and hiya (he [is] and she [is]). If, for the sake of argument, the root would have been in Arabic, it would have been conjugated in the 1st person singular imperfect as أهِيهُ [uhihu]- the final  is the nominative case ending which is not in Aramaic or Hebrew. Without the case ending, the verb would be very similar أهِيه [UHiH]. 

The above formula was how G-D referred to Himself- I am/will be that which I am/will be. When he is referred to from the people, it would naturally be in the 3rd person singular- He is/will be. The 3rd person in Hebrew, as in Arabic, is prefixed with the Ya/Yod [י]. Hence, G-D is referred to, by the people, as YiHYeH [יִהְיֶה]. This verb, however, is used in Hebrew similar to how YaKuNu [يَكُونُ] is used in Arabic. To avoid confusion, the Aramaic form HWH [הוה] was used; this is because this Aramaic verb has the exact same meaning and is also not used as a copula or temporal modifier in the Hebrew, For this reason, YHWH was used in place of YHYH. The Hebrew conjugation of YHWH is YeHeWeH [יֶהֱוֶה] ad the Aramaic conjugation is YeHeWeH [יֶהֱוֵה]- the only difference being in the final vowel, a Seghol in Hebrew versus a tsere in Aramaic. In Arabic, this same root would have been conjugated as YuHiHu [يُهِيهُ]. This verb root, however, does not exist in Arabic. The closest we have is the Arabic HaYa [حَيَّ] which is closer to the Hebrew and Aramaic HayaH [חיה] which has the same basic meaning. This Arabic verb is conjugated, in the 3rd imperfect singular, as YuHiYYu [يُحِيُّ]. 

I hope this helps; if not, keep asking.

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5 hours ago, Arminmo said:

You are referring to your books, Torah and newtestament, the thing is , for referring to a book , at first book should be reliable: means : it should be 1- untouched and 2- it should have been written at the time of prophet (under supervision of prophet) so no one could add or delete a word from it.  Your books doesn't have these 2 characteristics of a reliable a book. So they are unreliable and you can't refer them. The only reliable holy book that has those 2 characteristics is Quran.  (Your gospels were also written century, decades later! unreliable.)

Go to Wikipedia , book of Genesis, under origin it says: " recent studies says book was created at 6 b.c.e. !"  so it means it's written by rabbies !! It's an unreliable book. And guess what ? It's the same changed book that you Christian's refer to for knowing of which son was to put for sacrifice.

The Torah was written around 500 BCE.  The Hebrew Bible, tell us a lot about religion in the first milennium BC. The Christian Gospels as well as the Quran refer to this "unreliable book". The Quran mainly build on the religion of the Israelites. Not everything the "rabbies" wrote was historically correct. Same with the Quran. They are books of religion, not books of perfect history. 

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