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2 hours ago, M.IB said:

Isn't El a canaanite god?

Yes. You find old villages named after him. Like Betel (home of the God El). Statues of him and his wife Ashera have been found many places in Canaans land.

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God didn't write His name down for anyone. God doesn't bother to speak Hebrew, Greek, or English. Anything recorded was in a language meant for men. If we are not able to speak His name why give it? We have what the Prophets called Him.

Here's a vague summary of some of my studies, and questions, because it's still confusing. 

Jehovah is a Latinized word for starters. Through oral translation YHWH and JHVH could just be a difference in how it was received one generation to another. There were no vowels in Hebrew so make of it what you like, pronounce it how you like. Once you add a few vowels pronounce it YAHWEH or JEHOVAH, or as some pronounce it, YEHOVAH, or make up your own. Obviously you wouldn't be the first.

Elohim has a different description than Jehovah in the Hebrew. While Jehovah is described as the One True God, Elohim means a whole bunch of things. Singular, plural, possibly female...basically anything spiritual that wasn't identified. How many were identified I haven't counted, but start with the Archangels, the Lord of Hosts, The Spirit of the Lord, The Word of the Lord, it goes on. Interesting to note the differences, as well as the tasks. Of course they could all  fall under the same title one time or another. Not sure how many may go by different names, or which ones are unique, nor how Moses knew which was which.

I'm not so sure the early Bibles were "corrupted" as much as altered through years of translation. The Oral scriptures were kept in the hearts of the Prophets, taught to men, recited to the youth, until the youth found a decent way to write it down. From Hebrew and Greek into Latin, then into English, then everybody wanted to sell a Bible, so how many translations now? (Imo NIV is the worst). From the Masoretic text, (basis for many translations), all references to anything spiritual ended up translated as "God", probably because the Israelites were into polygamy every chance they could.

So why would God say; "Thou shalt have no other gods, (Elohim) before me?   If Elohim was Jehovah.

Who was at the burning bush? Actually I should ask, how many were at the burning bush?

The burning bush was on the mountain of Elohim, now known as  Mount Sinai. The Angel of the Lord first, Then Moses, then Jehovah, then Elohim who speaks first, then Jehovah speaks, then Moses, then Jehovah explains the plan to get His people out of Egypt.  All called God, or Lord, meant to mean one in the same in the Baptist theology. The NIV takes the privilege of adding, "and God said" where it's not in the Masoretic, nor the KJV. 

We have this idea that one God does it all. If that is the case, why did God send Gabriel to Mary, or Muhammad? Would one God send Himself as a cloud by day and a pillar of fire at night? Why would He do what one angel could do? How arrogant would we be, to think God would spend 40 years of His time as a pillar of smoke or fire? 

None, be it The Lord, of, the Angel of, nor the Word of, are mentioned in a context of parts nor partners. All work for one God. 

At least that's what the Bible says, not exactly what the Baptists say.



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To quote a couple hadiths on the subject of Allah's names, our belief is that His names are created, and therefore not inherent to His divine essence:

علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن النضر بن سويد، عن هشام بن الحكم أنه سأل أبا عبد الله عليه السلام عن أسماء الله واشتقاقها: الله مما هو مشتق؟ قال: فقال لي: يا هشام الله مشتق من إله والاله يقتضي مألوها والاسم غير المسمى، فمن عبد الاسم دون المعنى فقد كفر ولم يعبد شيئا، ومن عبد الاسم والمعنى فقد كفر وعبد اثنين، ومن عبد المعنى دون الاسم فذاك التوحيد أفهمت يا هشام؟ قال: فقلت: زدني قال: إن لله تسعة وتسعين اسما فلو كان الاسم هو المسمى لكان كل اسم منها إلها ولكن الله معنى يدل عليه بهذه الاسماء وكلها غيره، يا هشام الخبز اسم للمأكول والماء اسم للمشروب والثوب اسم للملبوس والنار اسم للمحرق أفهمت يا هشام فهما تدفع به وتناضل به أعداء نا والمتخذين مع الله عزوجل غيره؟ قلت: نعم، قال: فقال: نفعك الله به وثبتك يا هشام، قال هشام فوالله ما قهرني أحد في التوحيد حتى قمت مقامي هذا.

`Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from an-Nadr b. Suwayd from Hisham b. al-Hakam.

He asked Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام about the names of Allah and their derivations: Where is “Allah” derived from? He said: So he said to me: O Hisham, “Allah” is derived from “god” (ilah) and “the god” (al-ilah), that which has a servant (yaqtadi ma’looha). And a name is different from what is described; for whoever worships the name without the meaning has disbelieved and has worshiped nothing. And whoever worships the name and the meaning has disbelieved and has worshiped two things. Whoever worships the meaning without the name – that is monotheism (tawhid). Have you understood, O Hisham? He said: So I said: [Explain] further for me. He said: For Allah there are ninety-nine names; so if each name were a described thing, then each name from it would be a deity. However, Allah is the meaning that these names are indicative to, and they are all something other than Him. O Hisham, “bread” is the name of an edible, “water” is the name of a beverage, “cloth” is the name of what is worn, and “fire” is the name of what burns. Have you understood, O Hisham, with a comprehension that, by which, you can defend [our cause], and struggle against our enemies and those who have taken up [a deity] besides Allah عزوجل? So I said: Yes. He said: So he said: May Allah avail you by it and make you steadfast, O Hisham.

Hisham said: By Allah, no one has overcome me in monotheism (tawhid) till this position I stand at (i.e. till this day). (al-Kafi, Volume 1, hadith 230)

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From what I have read in most of the scholarly literature, YHWH was originally a Bronze age Kenite God who was slowly transmitted north into Iron age Canaan, and was eventually adopted as the national God of the Kingdom of Israel and Judah around 930 BC. A small faction of Yahwist, the earliest known being the prophet Elijah (900 BC), advocated for the worship of YHWH alone over other gods, and this lead to other Israelite prophets like Amos (760 BC) and Hosea (730 BC) following in his foot steps. This faction eventually spread to Judah after northern refugees from Israel began fleeing south, hoping to escape the invading Assyrians. Prophets began arising in Judah, like Isaiah (700 BC), who began pushing Yahwism into the establishment. Now, at this time, the Yahwist hadn't been totally monotheistic, but more on the lines of henotheism, that is, the worship of one and only one God whilst still accepting the existence of other deities; they may have also been appropriating the qualities of other deities and ascribing them to YHWH, as with the case of the Canaanite god El being identified as YHWH. Around 648 BC, King Josiah rose to power and enacted heavy religious reforms in Judah, establishing YHWH as the only God worthy of worship in all of Judah. This is when the Torah (the Pentateuch for Christians) began its first stages of compilation, being sourced from earlier Israelite traditions. King Josiah's reforms didn't last long because his successors went straight back into idolatry. From 605 BC to 539 BC, the Babylonians conquered Judah and deported its population, until the Persians, lead by King Cyrus the Great, conquered the Babylonians and let the Jews return back to Judah. Sometime during the captivity, monotheism finally became established, and YHWH was now regarded as the only God is existence, and the God of the universe. This is when Judaism begins, and YHWH would of course go on to become the God of Christianity, and later Islam; though due to the traditions of 3rd century BC Jews, his name would be lost to us except within the limits of the tetragrammaton. Jews and Christians tend to replace YHWH with "Lord" or "the almighty", and Muslims basically renamed him "Allah", which is Arabic for "God" or "the God."

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Interesting. You could've given me a link to this topic at hand there @SunniBrother, but oh well now I get it.

So its ok to say Elah or El-Shaddai since it'll mean Allah?

Were the 72 names of God under Judeo-Christian sources been truly rejected or were some of them carried over as the 99 names of God in Islamic sources?

All in all, it all boils down to confusing semantics between Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic.

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