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How Twelvers view Qur'an 9:10

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1 hour ago, eThErEaL said:

Salam,

Firstly, just because your mind cannot find a reason for why they claimed the caliphate other than selfish motives and hunger for power, it does not automatically justify your judgement that they had selfish interests.  

Alaikas Salam, 

:) I think you have no idea about my mind. You are building your opinion about my self on my given comments.

1 hour ago, eThErEaL said:

Secondly, there are many reasons that can be given for why they claimed the caliphate which (to me seem more plausible).  But it is important that I make the above points before I go into another long and possibly futile discussion or deb

I am looking forward to see those plausible reasons. I will evalute those reasons & will see them in light of Islamic history and the ahadith of Masoomeen (a.s).

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49 minutes ago, islam25 said:

And at end we are not here for giving judgments of ones faith. Definitely ones wrong actions will be called wrong so good are good. 

Brother, 

Anyone who tried to refuse the claim of Syeda Siddiqa (s.a), is a liar for me. Anyone who raised his voice before Prophet in the last days of his life & used the words like "yahjur" for him, is directly comes under the clause mentioned in 49:2

These are not my judgements, these are my opinions as I am not a judge. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

Alaikas Salam, 

:) I think you have no idea about my mind. You are building your opinion about my self on my given comments.

I am looking forward to see those plausible reasons. I will evalute those reasons & will see them in light of Islamic history and the ahadith of Masoomeen (a.s).

I just mention the following example to elaborate it:

The thief makes theft to get money without facing any hardship or  real effort and takes  the wealth out of the pocket or house of the owner. 

Same happened in the history of Islam.

Regards

Edited by skyweb1987

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6 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

Brother, 

Anyone who tried to refuse the claim of Syeda Siddiqa (s.a), is a liar for me. Anyone who raised his voice before Prophet in the last days of his life & used the words like "yahjur" for him, is directly comes under the clause mentioned in 49:2

These are not my judgements, these are my opinions as I am not a judge. 

 

That is OK.

You pointing  some bodies mistake. And no one is denying it.But neither they are pillars of Islam nor they are someone perfect to be followed. Unnecessary using energy and effort to continously denounce it.And forgetting or giving secondary importance to true teaching of Islam is unfortunate. 

Edited by islam25

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6 minutes ago, islam25 said:

That is OK.

You pointing  some bodies mistake. And no one is denying it.But neither they are pillars of Islam nor they are someone perfect to be followed. Unnecessary using energy and effort to continously denounce it.And forgetting or giving secondary importance to true teaching of Islam is unfortunate. 

Thank you brother.

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On 07/09/2017 at 2:13 AM, islam25 said:

Kufur means deliberately denying Tawheed and Risalat .

Denying Risalat?

What if you don't deny Risalat but you deliberately cause immense hurt to the Prophet's daughter - a daughter who was the apple of his eye and about whom he said "Anyone hurting her has hurt me."

So if someone hurts her, hasn't he hurt the Holy Prophet?

And if he causes hurt to the Holy Prophet, if he still acceptable to God?

Has he not displeased God greatly?

That is the BIG question, my dear friend.

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8 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Alaikas Salam, 

 I think you have no idea about my mind. You are building your opinion about my self on my given comments.

 

Of course, I have no idea about what is in your mind.  When did I say that I did?  Perhaps you don't quite understand what I have said?

I have absolutely no clue what is in your mind.  After all, how am I supposed to know what is in your mind when even YOU don't even know what is in YOUR mind.  Do you know what your subconscious is?   Also please pay close attention to the words I use.  When people use the words, "maybe", "may", "perhaps" and "could", they are merely suggesting a possibility, not an actual fact.  

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I am looking forward to see those plausible reasons. I will evalute those reasons & will see them in light of Islamic history and the ahadith of Masoomeen (a.s).

 

 You can look forward all you want but I am, hence forth, NOT discussing ANYTHING with you because (to me) you have the audacity of insulting the companions (ra) which to me is as good as insulting the Prophet (S).   

 

Ma'salama

Ethereal

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4 hours ago, baqar said:

Denying Risalat?

What if you don't deny Risalat but you deliberately cause immense hurt to the Prophet's daughter - a daughter who was the apple of his eye and about whom he said "Anyone hurting her has hurt me."

So if someone hurts her, hasn't he hurt the Holy Prophet?

And if he causes hurt to the Holy Prophet, if he still acceptable to God?

Has he not displeased God greatly?

That is the BIG question, my dear friend.

Mr.They did something wrong and Allah do justice. But not kufur. 

It is narration that when shia do sin it hurts our 12th imam. Now does hurting 12 makes kafir. 

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1 hour ago, eThErEaL said:

but I am, hence forth, NOT discussing ANYTHING with you because (to me) you have the audacity of insulting the companions (ra) which to me is as good as insulting the Prophet (S).   

Companions!! Those who disliked & rejected what Allah has selected for them:

Surah Muhammad, Verse 28:

ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمُ اتَّبَعُوا مَا أَسْخَطَ اللَّهَ وَكَرِهُوا رِضْوَانَهُ فَأَحْبَطَ أَعْمَالَهُمْ

That is because they follow what is displeasing to Allah and are averse to His pleasure, therefore He has made null their deeds.

(English - Shakir)

Companions!!! Who used to say words like "yahjur" to Prophet & you told me that he said this out of love of Prophet. There are some companions mentioned in this verse also:

Surah Al-Hadid, Verse 14:

يُنَادُونَهُمْ أَلَمْ نَكُن مَّعَكُمْ قَالُوا بَلَىٰ وَلَٰكِنَّكُمْ فَتَنتُمْ أَنفُسَكُمْ وَتَرَبَّصْتُمْ وَارْتَبْتُمْ وَغَرَّتْكُمُ الْأَمَانِيُّ حَتَّىٰ جَاءَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ وَغَرَّكُم بِاللَّهِ الْغَرُورُ

They will cry out to them: Were we not with you? They shall say: Yea! but you caused yourselves to fall into temptation, and you waited and doubted, and vain desires deceived you till the threatened punishment of Allah came, while the archdeceiver deceived you about Allah.

(English - Shakir)

What is the definition of companion of prophet?

And brother, I am also not interested in discussing this matter with you because you dont allow others to speak against wrong actions of some people. 

So this is the end of this discussions.

Wassalam

 

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