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The terms Shia and Ahlul-Sunna

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On 8/14/2017 at 8:37 PM, dragonxx said:

Salam 3laykom,

I was wondering who was the first to coin the word "Shia" and the first to coin "Ahlul-Sunna"? If anyone has hadiths proving either, please share.

 

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On ‎14‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 0:37 PM, dragonxx said:

Salam 3laykom,

I was wondering who was the first to coin the word "Shia" and the first to coin "Ahlul-Sunna"? If anyone has hadiths proving either, please share.

Why does this even matter? Having the name of a sect first doesn't mean being upon Haqq. There were many deviants who received a label by the Prophet (s.a.w.s) himself. One such groups were the Khawarij, but they gaining a label before others is not a sign of Haqq. Sunnis didn't had any labels before, we were just Muslims and followers of Islam, we just starting calling ourselves Ahl al Sunnah Whal Jammah later as it was a necessity since everyone was claiming to follow Islam. Ahl al Sunnah whal Jammah have various meanings, but roughly means "The people of tradition, the people of sunnah, the people of the prophetic way, etc"

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What I mean to say of course is that the thinking processes of the majority sect in Islam are strange at times in the sense that like I said above that these questions are good such as political questions but they thought that I meant that I said that particular group is good I mean the irony of fate they call themselves literalists but they ain't really lol they can't even read basic sentence structures. 

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The capacity of intellect is very low without wilayah of Ali (as). The spirituality of sunnis is very weak in comparison to the spirituality of ahlulbayt. Imam Ali (as) has said love everyone so that's that I love sunnis more than anyone else however the problem is an academic one. They however get personal sometimes. 

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On 8/25/2017 at 8:53 PM, SunniBrother said:

Why does this even matter? Having the name of a sect first doesn't mean being upon Haqq. There were many deviants who received a label by the Prophet (s.a.w.s) himself. One such groups were the Khawarij, but they gaining a label before others is not a sign of Haqq. Sunnis didn't had any labels before, we were just Muslims and followers of Islam, we just starting calling ourselves Ahl al Sunnah Whal Jammah later as it was a necessity since everyone was claiming to follow Islam. Ahl al Sunnah whal Jammah have various meanings, but roughly means "The people of tradition, the people of sunnah, the people of the prophetic way, etc"

I didn't ask to know who had what name first so that it would somehow prove who is right, I asked to know who bestowed those labels upon their people.

If say a not so great person came up with the name Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jammah, that might go a long way for some people in reconsidering what they represent and stand for.

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okay I did research. The name shia comes from a hadith were the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) said to Ali (r.a) "Oh Ali, you and your shia are in paradise" referring to Bilal and Salman al Farsi. The name Whal Jammah came after Muawiyah ousted Ali (r.a) and Alhasan (r.a) - Following Hasan ibn Ali's abdication of the caliphate, all the Muslims (including the Sahabah and Tabi'een) gave their pledge of allegiance to Muawiyah I, bringing an end to civil war. That year was called the Aam Al Jamaat (Year of Unification).

Sunnis will say - He brought peace and ended the war bla bla bla. They have short memory because Muawiyah started the war.

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2 hours ago, SunniBrother said:

okay I did research. The name shia comes from a hadith were the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) said to Ali (r.a) "Oh Ali, you and your shia are in paradise" referring to Bilal and Salman al Farsi. The name Whal Jammah came after Muawiyah ousted Ali (r.a) and Alhasan (r.a) - Following Hasan ibn Ali's abdication of the caliphate, all the Muslims (including the Sahabah and Tabi'een) gave their pledge of allegiance to Muawiyah I, bringing an end to civil war. That year was called the Aam Al Jamaat (Year of Unification).

Sunnis will say - He brought peace and ended the war bla bla bla. They have short memory because Muawiyah started the war.

So if this is true, then the source of the term is muwawiyah l.a? Although many sunnis don't even respect him one bit but still proudly represent his label? Sigh

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2 hours ago, dragonxx said:

So if this is true, then the source of the term is muwawiyah l.a? Although many sunnis don't even respect him one bit but still proudly represent his label? Sigh

I believe so yes. No one can actually point were the name comes. That's why honestly don't care about labels. Because many good hearted Sunnis don't even like Muawiyah. Being judgmental is not part of adab

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