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13 minutes ago, Hassan- said:

Pluto is considered a dwarf planet, not a regular planet. However there are billions of planets out their in just our galaxy.

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42 minutes ago, Hassan- said:

Pluto is considered a dwarf planet, not a regular planet. However there are billions of planets out their in just our galaxy.

Pluto was "demoted" to dwarf planet in 2006, after astronomer Mike Brown of Caltech discovered Eris, which is slightly smaller in diameter than Pluto, but more massive. (Or is it the other way around? I forgot.) In 2006, the International Astronomical Union established three criteria to describe a planet:

  • Hydrodynamically stable, i.e. round.
  • Orbits the sun
  • Has gravitationally cleared other objects from its orbital path.

All named and proposed dwarf planets meet the first two criteria only. 

If my knowledge is up to date, there are five dwarf planets: Eris, Haumea, Quaoar, Makemake, and Ceres. There are also several additional proposed dwarf planets.

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8 minutes ago, notme said:

 

If my knowledge is up to date, there are five dwarf planets: Eris, Haumea, Quaoar, Makemake, and Ceres. There are also several additional proposed dwarf planets.

There is the possibility of thousands of undiscovered dwarf planets to exist in our solar system according to astronomers, inside the Kuiper belt and further to be more specific.

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17 minutes ago, Hassan- said:

There is the possibility of thousands of undiscovered dwarf planets to exist in our solar system according to astronomers, inside the Kuiper belt and further to be more specific.

The International Astronomical Union (IAU) currently recognizes only five dwarf planets: Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake, and Eris.

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Oh wow. I left Pluto off my list. :blush:

Quaoar, Sedna, Huya, Chaos, Ixion, Varda, Varuna, Salacia, and Orcus are other named proposed dwarf planets. There's a whole bunch without names too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_possible_dwarf_planets

Some astronomers believe that the alignment of the orbits of trans-neptunian objects is indicative of a large ninth planet perturbing the orbits of smaller bodies. That planet, if it exists, hasn't been spotted yet. 

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11 minutes ago, AfricanShia said:

Last time I checked we dont know because we are in a dome and we cant leave it because of the firmanent.

I've got a telescope, and I can verify that there are planets. They don't move across the sky like stars. They move like planets. Check again, this time with a telescope or a good set of binoculars. With even a small backyard telescope, you can see the stripes on Jupiter and some of its moons, and it's easy to see the rings of Saturn. 

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1 hour ago, notme said:

I've got a telescope, and I can verify that there are planets. They don't move across the sky like stars. They move like planets. Check again, this time with a telescope or a good set of binoculars. With even a small backyard telescope, you can see the stripes on Jupiter and some of its moons, and it's easy to see the rings of Saturn. 

Telescopes have fish-eye lens which makes the stars round and look like planets. The Quran references the Earth being more of a dome than a Sphere and Imam Ali confirmed in Nahjul Balagha in his First Sermon and also the Imams warned us about Astrology which is the study if stars and how they can affect ones faith and hence today Athiests like to use the Universe as an excuse for Allah not existing all because of the study of Astrology.

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1 hour ago, notme said:

I've got a telescope, and I can verify that there are planets. They don't move across the sky like stars. They move like planets. Check again, this time with a telescope or a good set of binoculars. With even a small backyard telescope, you can see the stripes on Jupiter and some of its moons, and it's easy to see the rings of Saturn. 

Also to prove my theory that the Sun, Moon and Stars are within the Dome you should a video about the amazing discovery of Sonoluminescence which is literally creating a Star in water which that Star can be thousands of degrees hot. :)

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5 hours ago, Hassan- said:

Pluto is considered a dwarf planet, not a regular planet.

Similarly, if Pluto was determined not to be a "real" planet because it is too small,  then are Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune 'planets' when they are really Gas Giants --being so big ?

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Please, Nazeeh, just stop. You don't even know what a fish eye lens effect is, if you think that a telescope is an example of fish eye lens effect.

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Here's an example of a fish eye lens ^

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Saturn through a telescope ^

Note how it has less distortion than a fish eye lens, they are different lenses, it is not the same; Who ever taught you the flat earth nonsense, Is A. Not worthy of your respect or attention and is very ignorant about science. B. Has an ulterior motive for filling your mind with lies, bro. 

Flat Earth is a dastardly lie, concocted by Wahhabis and Evangelical Christians,both hate science and do "dawah" to fatten their pockets. Why else would they feel so insecure in their faith as to deny evidence, reason and logic? 

It saddens me to see brothers and sisters give up on their aql for this insanity.

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@AfricanShia nobody here it's talking about astrology but you. We're talking about planets, not ancient mythology. 

The flat earth nonsense was invented in 2009 but started to become popular around 2013. Have you read the guy's websites? He's an evil hatemongering loon! Do you really want to associate yourself with such people? Wouldn't it be better to stick with Islamic leaders, rather than following secular ones? 

And now stay on topic. Let's talk about planets.

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2 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Similarly, if Pluto was determined not to be a "real" planet because it is too small,  then are Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune 'planets' when they are really Gas Giants --being so big ?

As my five year old pointed out, if a planet must have cleared its orbital path, Jupiter is not a planet. It is a dwarf planet. Huge Jupiter shares its orbit with two groupings of asteroids referred to as Trojans. 

https://www.exploremars.org/trojan-asteroids-around-jupiter-explained

And an awesome graphic from that article:

Petr-Sheirich-2005-our-solar-system-in-m

 

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3 hours ago, M.IB said:

There are planets and stars in the Universe as much as there are sand particles in the desert...

The Earth is actually more of a Realm than a Planet. Also the Quran states how the levels of Earth, Jahannam and Jannah are all layered on top of each other. There many Worlds somewhere but we cannot see them and we will never reach them.

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10 hours ago, AfricanShia said:

The Earth is actually more of a Realm than a Planet. Also the Quran states how the levels of Earth, Jahannam and Jannah are all layered on top of each other. There many Worlds somewhere but we cannot see them and we will never reach them.

According to the Quran, we cannot see nor collide with Jinn but they have weight:

[Quran 55.31] We [Allah] will settle your affair, both you of weight (man and jinn)

Thukl ثقل in Arabic means weight. Thakalain ثقلين means weight for two (binary mode). The Jinn have weight means that we can detect their gravity and they can detect our gravity. So according to the Quran we cannot see the Jinn nor collide with them but we can detect their gravity. 

Just as the Jinn are of different type that we cannot see nor collide with but we can detect their gravity, there are six other Heavens that we cannot see nor collide with either but we can detect their gravity, superimposed above the visible one:

[Quran 41.12] So [Allah] decreed them as seven heavens (one above the other) in two days and revealed to each heaven its orders. And We [Allah] adorned the lowest heaven with lights, and protection. Such is the decree of the Exalted; the Knowledgeable.

According to the Quran only the lowest heaven has visible light. This means that this Dark Matter exists in the six Heavens superimposed above the lowest one. Also according to the Quran each of these remaining six Heavens is of a different type and each has its own planets like Earth:

[Quran 65.12] Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

Earth is not a unique planet in Islam. Other planets like Earth do exist throughout the other six Heavens. It is just that we cannot see them nor collide with them but we can detect their gravity.

General relativity predicted gravitational lensing, that is, the gravitational field generated by a galaxy causes the light passing through it to bend (change direction). Dark Matter does not emit any light but we can still map its location by using gravitational lensing, that is, by detecting where light is bending in places where it shouldn't. In the above image and video light gets bent by invisible Dark Matter in places where it shouldn't. Moslems say that this is how God challenges nonbelievers to detect the remaining six superimposed Heavens:

[Quran 67.3-4] [Allah] is the one who created seven superimposed Heavens "سبع سموات طباق". You do not see variations in the formations of the Compassionate, so redirect your sight, do you see any creation (Futtur in Arabic فطور)? Then redirect your sight again, your vision returns to you in defeat and regret.

Futtur in Arabic فُطور is a noun meaning creation out of nothing (it does not mean "rip"). Its verb in past tense is Fattara فَطَرَ and is found in Quran 6.79 meaning "created" (The verb that does mean "ripped" or "destroyed" is its opposite: Tafattara تَفَطّرَ as in Quran 19:90. Its noun is Tafattur تفطُّر).  So the question in the Quran is "Do you see any creation out of nothing?". Your initial answer should be NO. But in the second verse, when you are supposed to redirect your sight your answer will change to YES, with defeat. Why should you redirect your sight when you observe Dark Matter? Why should you look to another direction and then back? Well the gravity of a massive object makes you see the background stars in another direction:

 

This is how we detect Dark Matter today, the background images are lensed at a certain angle. Since Dark Matter does not emit any light then we have to trace the light from the background galaxies. From the distances and the angle of lensing we estimate the mass of the Dark Matter. So when detecting the superimposed seven heavens you have to look away and then back in order to measure the angle. No angle no Dark Matter.

How could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years have known that light could change direction? How could he have known about Dark Matter and Gravitational Lensing?

The Quran insists on seven superimposed heavens. We are in the lowest heaven, Angels on your shoulders are in the seventh heaven, and Satan (Jinn) passing through you are in one heaven in-between. However all seven heavens are superimposed. We cannot see nor collide with Angels nor Jinn but we can detect their gravity, however these are the exact same properties of Dark Matter, we cannot see them nor collide with them but we can detect their gravity. String Theory explains what they are: They are mass in other dimensions.

Traditionally physicists thought that the smallest particles in atoms were point like, that is, they looked like points. However recently discovered evidence suggest that the smallest particle is not point like, as previously thought, but rather a vibrating string of energy. But physicists also discovered that these strings need more than three spatial dimensions to vibrate in. Particularly they need six extra spatial dimensions. In all versions of String Theory there are 10 dimensions: "Time" plus the usual three spatial dimensions x,y,z (4 dimensions, our observable universe) plus six extra spatial dimensions making a total of ten dimensions (1 time + 9 spatial = 10 dimensions).

 Extra dimensions are tiny and curled up at each point in space. To envision a single extra dimension imagine the ant in the above video shrinking billions of times. Then this ant becomes small enough for transition to the extra circular dimension (like a roller coaster):

As long as the ant remains in any of those extra dimensions we would not be able to see the ant nor collide with it but we would still detect its gravity. Dark Mater is not only mass in other dimensions but they are in parallel universes (where the laws of physics might not be the same as ours). The only thing shared among those superimposed parallel universes is gravity. Add our universe to those parallel universes you get the Multiverse.

 

On the other hand God swears by the heaven that has weaves:

[Quran 51.7] And the heaven that has weaves (Hubuk in Arabic).

Hubuk is plural of Habka which means a knot or a weave. Doesn't the route that this ant needs to take look like a weave? Of course. Actually those Seven Heavens (Multiverse) are parallel universes woven together (literally).

God also swears that someday we will travel to one of those extra dimensions:

[Quran 84.16-18] I swear by the afterglow of sunset... You will ride one layer from another layer.(لتركبن طبقا عن طبق)

Here "Tabak طبق" is a noun meaning "a layer". The adjective "Tibak طباق" means "superimposed" and is used in describing the seven heavens "سبع سموات طباق". The superimposed heavens in the Quran are the extra spatial dimensions in modern physics.  

Today we are sure that we are not living in a "Universe" but rather in a "Multiverse".

[Quran 40.57] The creation of the heavens and earth is greater than the creation of mankind, but most of the people do not know.

 

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