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What is your difference between us ? You really believe that Gibreel made a mistake and gave it to the Holy Prophet [Sallalahu-Alayhi-Wa Alihi wa Sallam] instead of Imam Ali [Alayhis-salam] ?

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8 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

What is your difference between us ? You really believe that Gibreel made a mistake and gave it to the Holy Prophet [Sallalahu-Alayhi-Wa Alihi wa Sallam] instead of Imam Ali [Alayhis-salam] ?

They say like it lolz. 

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1) do you believe in the Prophet Muhammad?

2) do you believe the Prophet Muhammad is the greatest living being?

3) do you believe in Salat, Sawm, Hajj, and Zakat?

4) what is your position regarding the Holy Qur'an?

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What is difference between Nuseri and Alevi. Nuseri believe Imam Ali (A.S) is Allah and some believe all Imams (A.S) are their Allah (nauzubillah). Do Alevis have these believes too? 

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12 hours ago, E.L King said:

1) do you believe in the Prophet Muhammad?

2) do you believe the Prophet Muhammad is the greatest living being?

3) do you believe in Salat, Sawm, Hajj, and Zakat?

4) what is your position regarding the Holy Qur'an?

1/ Ofcourse 

2/ Ofcourse just like all prior prophets 

 

Will answer the others in a minute one by one 

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11 hours ago, Syed Irtiza Ali Rizvi said:

What is difference between Nuseri and Alevi. Nuseri believe Imam Ali (A.S) is Allah and some believe all Imams (A.S) are their Allah (nauzubillah). Do Alevis have these believes too? 

Nusayris do not believe that outsider's believe they believe that

Nusayris are Arabs, their practice is closer to Sunnis Shia, visiting mosques, prays 

We are turcomans, whom love Ahlibeyt

 

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12 hours ago, E.L King said:

1) do you believe in the Prophet Muhammad?

2) do you believe the Prophet Muhammad is the greatest living being?

3) do you believe in Salat, Sawm, Hajj, and Zakat?

4) what is your position regarding the Holy Qur'an?

PRAYER (SALAT, NAMAZ) (Halil Dede)

Complyy with the Alevi commandments of the Prophet and the Koran and fulfill their devotional practices according to his commandments. Qur'anic verses testify. They perform all the duties of religion in accordance with all requirements of Hazreti Muhammed in the way of God. Those who deny are ignorant and refuse to pay attention. Based on the verses of the Qur'an, it is to explore the original namaz, its evolution and its current form. Some report that the five daily times of prayer were prescribed during the Ascension (Mi'radj ) along with the Qur'an. And because Alevi do not perform namaz that they were treated disbelievers, they can not cut and eat ... it is advisable to kill them. Thus in Alevi belief, prayer is accomplished by the night of the Ascension Sura ( Mi'radj ) 17. The Night Journey (Al-Isra)  - 78-79: [Ekiymüselâte lidüluküssemsi gasekilleyli ve ila kur'anelfecri inne Kur'anelfecri kane ve meshuden minelleyli fetehecced bihi nafileten leke asa in yeb'aseke rabbüke mekamem mahmuden] Tafsir (exegesis): Arise for prayer prescribed. Made prayer (Salat) at dawn and the sun's decline till the darkness of the night and the angels will attest size day and night. You awake at night, made the night prayer as prescription for your great merit that thy Lord High Glorious ( Jalla Sha'nuhu ) make you reach the station of Praise ( mahmud ). 11. Hud - 114.Et made the prayer at the two ends of the day and in some hours of the night. Good deeds annul bad. This is an admonition for those who reflect. Concerning the Ascension ( Mi'radj ) The Star (An-Najm) - 8-9: [Summe dena Fetedell Tafsir : The Prophet ( aleyhisselam ) approached and bound. The Prophet ( aleyhisselam ) was even closer Hakk Ta'ala that two bows. Allahu ta'ala and sent the revelation to Muhammad by his servant Djebra'il aleyhisselam . The Star (An-Najm) - 62: [fescüdü lillahi va'büdü] Tafsir : Prostrate yourselves to Allah and worship H. 

Thus, according to these verses above shows, the five daily prayers have not been fixed for the Ascension with the Qur'an. Imran - 191: [Elleziyne yezkürunellahe kiyamen kuuden ve ve ve ala cünubihim yetefekkerune fiy halkissemavati vel'ardi rabbena mahalakte Haza batilen sübhaneke fekina azabennari.] Tafsir : The endowed with reason, who, standing, sitting and lying on their sides, Allahu ta'ala invoke and reflect on the creation of the heavens and the earth ... The wrapped (Al-Muzzamil) - 1-6: [Ya eyyuhelmuzzemmilu. Kumilleyle illa kaliylen. Nisfehu evinkus minhu kaliylen. [...] Inne nasietelleyli Hiye eseddu vat'en ve akvemu kiylen. ] Tafsir : O! you, wrapped up in your clothes or sent Prophecy! Arise and pray all night except a little, Half of it, or a little less [...] 73. The wrapped (Al-Muzzamil) - 7: leke Inne fiynnehari sebhan taviylen. Inne leke fiynnehari sebhan taviylen. Tafsir : Prayer at night is more efficient and suitable for recitation. You in the day to take care of the affairs of the people. Tafsir-ul Beyan of Nür : Getting up at night to pray is more powerful and the audience by reading the heart is more advantageous. Work during the day and by your effort. 78. The new (An-Naba) - 9-11: [Ve cealna nevmeküm sübaten ve ve cealnelleyle libasen cealnennehare measen] Tafsir : We made your sleep for rest, and made the night a garment - and the darkness covers you in the fulfillment of the prayer, you have this way of isolation, and assigned the day work 73. The wrapped (Al-Muzzamil) - 20: [Inne rabbeke ya'lemu Enneke tekumu edna min suluseyilleyli nisfehu ve ve ve sulusehu taifetun minelleziyne me'ake vallahu yukaddirulleyle vennehare 'Alime in tuhsuhu fetabe len' aleykum fakreu my teyessere minelkur'ani ' Alime] Tafsir : O Muhammad, your Lord knows, of course, that you stand less than two thirds of the night, or half of it, or a third. As well as some of those with you. Allah measures the night and the day. He knows that you'll never spend the whole night in prayer. He turned to you with mercy. So recite what you can fromthe Qur'an. Muzzamil Sura was revealed during his Ascension from Alti Parmak Tarihi . Regarding this verse prayer was prescribed the night and the 5 daily prayers are thus in the absolute void. There is no legitimate source that this is supposed to be revealed to the Prophet, nor in verses, or in riwayat .In addition, the final form of the 5 daily prayers was a decision imposed by community consensus (ijma 'al umma ) at the time of the Abbasids, to settle this dispute. To those who practice them, we have nothing to say, this can be for them a condition of prayer. *** History is witness By carefully examining the history of Islam, it is seen that after the death of Hazreti Resul-i Ekrem, the first prayer taraweeh date caliphate of Omar, and the first four days of prayer rakat date Caliphate of Osman. (Taberi Tarihi shf.15) Muawiya and his son Yezid took charge of religious affairs under the guise of politics and their hatred of the Prophet have built Chairs ( minbar ) in mosques to curse Hazreti Ali and his descendants were killed and those who love them. Surah Isra - 100: [Kullid'ullahe evid'urrahmâne eyyen ma ted'û felehülesmâ ül Husna] Tafsir : O Muhammed said: Your Lord, that you make against the quoting or the Magnificence, Glory, God or Mercy, His Beautiful Names ( Asma Husna-ül ) are You. Truth ( Hakk ) is in You. Hazreti Ja'far as-Sadik its Khutbat-ul Bayan says of these two names, Allah is the greatest ( Azam ).Your invocations are accepted in the name. Even if you remove one letter of the name, its meaning does not change. Thus Alevi following the requirements of Kur'an-i Kerim citing in gülbank the name of Allah invocation recognize this as the greatest prayer. And recommend the prayer of the heart. Question : Hazreti Muhammed Ali and Hazreti do not they practiced the 5 daily prayers? Answer : Yes they prayed. But in the Qur'an only prayer of the night is a time prescribed. The dispute concerns the time at which it must be accomplished. Since we do not know the real time performance, according to the judgment analog ( qiyas al fuqaha ), it was decreed prayer Agenda 5 prayers. And lasted until our days the decree of consensus and analogy: this is the true face of this prayer. And eachtime has allowed God. "Halebi Sagir P.6" Azhab Sura - 41: [ Ya eyyulhellezine âmenuzku rullahe zikren kesiyren vesebbihu bukreten ve asilen.] Tafsir of Hülasat-ül Beyan : O believers! Mention Allah with much remembrance; receive and consent to the divine and attain degrees of Beyond. And must constantly invoke God day and night, morning, evening ... While God's command is clear, it does not conform to the name of community consensus ( ijma 'al umma ), call the people at fixed hours crying openly, and binding: we let readers 'higher knowledge' to consider it valid or not. In "Encyclopedia of Islam", page 163, it is reported: "Hazreti Ali ( keremellahu wadjhahu ) Hazreti Fatima, Hasan and Hüseyin ( radiyellahu anhula ) refused the opinion ( ra'y ) and community consensus ( ijma 'al umma ) " The Holy Family ( Ahl-ul Bayt ) after the Prophet's death, refused the consensus of the 5 prayers invented. The decision to form the five prayers was decided by consensus ( ijma ), and analogical reasoning ( qiyas ), so this is nothing other than a decision to settle the dispute.

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Qibla

Qibla In Islam, the Qibla is a major point of prayer. For many, it is as please turn primary obligation towards the Hajar ul Aswad . Turn to Hajar is an ancient custom dating back to the pre-Islamic period. During prayer the most important direction is the heart of man ( Beytullah - House of God) or his existence inside. According to the book " Şah varil-i Islam " "The pilgrimage to the Kaaba is not a prayer ( ibadet ) specifically Islamic. Because even before the advent of Islam, the idolaters in Arabia worshiped the Kaaba already ( Hajar Aswad-ül ) and pilgrims gathered in Mecca and knelt towards Mecca. ' And gather and worship in one direction (Mecca) is a practice of obscurantism Arab time of ignorance ( Djahiliya ) and Hazreti Muhammed (saw) had deleted this practice, as prescribed by Allahu Ta ' ala. 2.La Cow (Al-Bakara) - 115. To Allah belong the scene of the dawn and dusk. Where you turn to pray, Face (Branch) of Allah is there. Because the size is Allah, It stands in the extent of His creation and He knoweth all things. [Ve lillâhil meshriku velmaghribu fe eynemâ tüvellû fesemme veçhulâhi innallahe vâsi'un'aliymün.] 2.La Cow (Al-Bakara) - 177. The righteousness does not consist in turning your faces towards East or West.But it is righteousness to believe in Allah, To implore Allah, all directions are the Qibla (direction of prayer). Pray heading towards a point, a place Hajar ul Aswad as associating it with the only direction ( Qibla ) can be called idolatry. 5. The Table Spread (Al-Ma'ida) - 57 : And whosoever recognizes the holiness in the face of Allah, His Messenger and the believers will succeed because it is the party of Allah (fighters) who will be victorious. And those who see with the eyes of Hakk faces of God, Resul and Friends are God's peopleTawalla (those who love the Ahl-ul-Bayt and their friends). They have not announced anything other than Nuri Hak Wadjhi Adam Ast (hadith: The light Hakk is on the face of man, Adam), based on the Word verse 61 of Surah Isra. Kallelahou Taala: 17. The Night Journey (Al-Isra) - 61: And when We said to the angels: <Prosternez-vous Adam> before they prostrated except Iblis, who said: "I bow down before me someone one that you created from clay?> And Hakk Ta'ala has prescribed this verse, verse 63 of Surah Isra. 17. The Night Journey (Al-Isra) - 63. And Allah said: "Go away! If any of them follow thee ... your punishment is Hell, repayment in full. There is no existence closer to God than the angels All faces are the manifestation of Hakk. Hakk is not hidden in a specific location. I am looking for the path, but not the Kaaba nor the temple because I do not see that in the first troop of idolaters and in the latter a band of self-worshipers. Mevlana Djelal-ed-Din Rumi(XIII century ) (Initiator of the Sufi Mevlevi or Whirling Dervishes)  

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The invocation (Salat) veiled Prayers performed openly, for all, making the display are dupes prayers, as stated verses 4, 5, 6, 7 of Sura Mâ'ûne: 107. The utensil (Al-Maun) - 4,5,6,7: [Feveylün lil musaline ellezine Human slâtihim Sahune, elleziyne Hum yuraune ve yemne'unelmâ'ûne.] Woe to those who pray, neglecting their prayer, in shoplifting by praying openly and refusing Utensil / help / zakat. Exegesis (tafsir) of Tibyan : These impostors, who perform prayer openly and violently suffer the torments of hell. They are those who show their submission to their hands and do not perform their devotions in prayer isolated places but open. These are the community, those claiming prayer and who by their actions and prayers do not perform for Allah but by interest, in order to obtain a reward, and showing the eyes of the community, Muslim and dedicated. In the tafsir of Tibyan the first chapter page 282: ["Ve izakamuva illelselâte kamu küsali"] Tafsir : For missed prayers, they will rise and when they feel heavy, they look at their hand, and accomplish prayer. They show. When they see someone else pray, they pray. "Yeraunen Nase". This prayer done openly is not for Allah, and their hand saying Caring act only for deception. And on these displays of prayers, verses 11,12,13 verses of Sura Zumar: 39. Groups (Az-Zumar) - 11-13: [Kum inniy ümirtü in abüdallahe muhlisan lehüddiyne ve ümirtü link ekûne evvelelmüsli miyne kul inniy ehâfü in asatytü rabbiy azabe yevmin aziymin] Tafsir : O Muhammad, say: I have been commanded to pray in purity and Allahu ta'ala for the union, and I have been commanded to be the first of the Muslims. I fear if I disobey Allah by the association and duplicity (display of prayer) and that I will be resolved violently last punishment. 39. Groups (Az-Zumar) - 14-15: [Kullilâha a'büdü muhlisan Lehu diyniy fa'büdû mâsi'tüm dunihi min kul ve innelhâsiriyneellezine hasrû enfüsehüm ehliyhim yevmelkiyâmeti Elâ zâlike hüvel husrânülmübiynü] Tafsir : Say <Back] covers protect religion d'Allahu Ta'ala against the association and those who call and selling the ouvertement, attribut, I invoke my inner exclusively Hakk (le Vrai)>. , Worship, therefore, apart from Him, that you want! - Say <The qui, losers are those on the Day of Resurrection will cause the loss of their own souls and their families on. Know that their friends will be Hell, and that this association disobedience. , Above them, they will fire layers and layers below them. That Allah threatens His slaves that do not preserve the association and duplicity. "O My slaves, therefore fear Me these characters bring my wrath!> For sale devotion to the people, it is apparent prayer accomplished day. The Kur'an defined prayer as this duplicity. In a hadith Hazreti Peygamber (saw) (cited in Müzekki Nufus page 230): [Kalel mirai yunadi yevmel kiyameti bierbeeti Esmae ilâ Ahiri.] We say to the hypocrites (riya) who disclose their prayer, doomsday, their zeal and their actions prayers will be in vain. In another hadith he said: [Yakullahu Taala yevme yunahdihi ibade bi samalihim izhebu illezine Kuntum yuraune lehüm fiddünya feenzuru heptecidune indehum] Hakk Ta'ala has prescribed: Slaves who gave their prayer to God, some are showing in the fulfillment of the prayer and openly disclosing devotion will déshonnorés. Because you are valued in this world, you're sitting on a throne. In another hadith page 231 reported in the same book it is written: [Iillah ibadete minhümül muhlisine] If people see your actions and prayers, this prayer will certainly intend to be disclosed false, and is not anything other than hypocrisy. Prayers and ablutions made within the people do not belong to ibada (Prayer). 11. Hud - 16: [Ulaikelleziyne leyle lehüm fiyl ahireti illennârü ve ma sana'û fiyhâ ve lived my bâtilün kânûya'melûne.] Tafsir : Those it for their acts have nothing in the Hereafter, that of Fire. They have not worked sincerely for the Beyond disclosing their prayer to experience what they have done and will fail. This sacred verse clearly states that those who renounce their work day to nourish their families with the intent to flaunt, meeting in mosques, are not part of those who pray ( ibada ). All these prayers are to deceive the people, and they belong to the hell. Thus Allah (jj) was ordered to preserve the duplicity and shoplifting, and so isolate themselves to pray in their homes. So the day has not prescribed but to pray for the work and livelihood. 

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Mosque - Jami The mosque ( djami ) in its original sense is not a place of worship but gathering . With the advent of Islam, Muhammed Hz (saw) was not prescribed place to pray. Because giving life to a place of worship there ritualizing prayer is contrary to belief. More at that time, it was recommended prayer the night away from eyes. Muslims had built a mosque in the village of Kubat between Mecca and Medina, but the Prophet made destroy because "it was useless otherwise maintain the gossip."And the Prophet would surely no decisions contrary to the will of Allah. There are two verses references: 9. Disallowance (At Tawbah) - 107. Those who built a mosque into a mobile rivalry, impiety and division among believers, in preparation for one who warred against Allah and His Messenger and swear, saying, "We did that well! ' Those, Allah bears witness that they are liars. 9. Disallowance (At Tawbah) - 108. Do you ever want in this mosque. It is worthy of worship in a temple founded on the first day on piety. There are people who wash their desire, and Allah loves those who purify themselves. Caliph Umar did rebuild mosques destroyed by order of Hz Muhammed (pbuh) and Muawiyya has built the most beautiful and in great numbers. Conditions prayers can be, in absolute terms, found in a mosque and they are not location-specific. Say that a mosque is the "house of God" is invalid. genuine Islam is like Kur'an prescribed without mosques without minarets, suggests the presence of God with heart and pray always ( ibadet). "Do not stay close to other mosques, implore Allah to the Mosque of the heart," according to a hadith of the Prophet (pbuh) collected by Nabawi. So it is not prescribed to pray at the mosque but at home: 24. Light (An-Nur) - 36. It is in houses which Allah has permitted to be exalted and that His name is invoked, it glorifies Him morning and evening, The Iron (El-Hadid) - 4. [...] Wherever you are, it is near you. Allah sees all your actions. After Hz Muhammed (pbuh), mainly Umayyad Caliphates and Abbasids have testified no spiritual allegiance. To strengthen their authority, it was necessary to make propaganda of Islam to the people by all ways. And then the most simple and most impressionable was to go directly to the community through speech. For this purpose it was necessary to meet the specific times and places, there sowed disorder by backbiting and forced to go there. This is what the Prophet had denounced. Especially at the time of Umayyad mosques were places where people gathered to slander Ali and his descendants. (Celalettin Ulusoy, Alevi-Bektasi yolu ) And it is for this reason that prayers ( ibadet ) Alevi Bektashi- are not made to the mosque but in houses, as prescribed in Allah Kur'an i Kerim , adapted to jam (Djem) , called home jamiyyat either house of assembly. Structures called evi djem or djemiyet evi (home jamiyyat ) built only for the ceremonydjem are very rare or nonexistent in the villages. In Djem Alevi , women men, old, young, all can participate. Prayer is guided by a dede (recognized as spiritual leaders seyyid ) with a baglama (lute). It refers to the social relations maintained in the community, and we try to solve all the problems of the community, which will raise quarrels, close the door to resentment, hostilities in order to maintain brotherhood, peace by submitting to sincerity. We pray to "sit face (pure) Face (pure) / jamal ". Prostration is the Man (referring to Adam before whom the angels ( melek ) have worshiped). Prayers and du'a to Allah observed overall, between-aid and personal problems and the community, is to worship. Being close to human to human is achieved in this way.

Speaking Kur'an is the man. Man is the Qibla, the Kaaba the center of the Human Heart 

 

 

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9 hours ago, AleviTurkmenKhorasan said:

Nusayris do not believe that outsider's believe they believe that

Nusayris are Arabs, their practice is closer to Sunnis Shia, visiting mosques, prays 

We are turcomans, whom love Ahlibeyt

 

One of the Nusyris himself told me that they consider Ali (A.S) to be their RAB .He was telling me that Allah is RAB of all Imams and all Imams are our RAB. They have created us.  Anyway this is what I heard from him.

Kindly you tell me what are the difference between Alevi and Ithan Asahri Shia, what different ideologies they have. Please be precise it is hard to read long paragraphs :-).  

Edited by Syed Irtiza Ali Rizvi

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4 hours ago, Syed Irtiza Ali Rizvi said:

One of the Nusyris himself told me that they consider Ali (A.S) to be their RAB .He was telling me that Allah is RAB of all Imams and all Imams are our RAB. They have created us.  Anyway this is what I heard from him.

Kindly you tell me what are the difference between Alevi and Ithan Asahri Shia, what different ideologies they have. Please be precise it is hard to read long paragraphs :-).  

That nusrayi is probarbly misinterpreting Bâtînî

We have our elders, like Horasân Erenleri, Hallac-ı Mansur, Ebül Vefa, Ahmet Yesevî, Hüseyin Gazi, Seyyit Battal Gazi, Baba İlyas, Hacı Bektaş Velî, Ahi Evren, Mevlana Celaleddîn Rumî, Sarı Saltuk, Karaca Ahmet, Hıdır Abdal Sultan, Sarı İsmail, Abdal Musa, Şeyh Edebalî, Şeyh Safî, Geyikli Baba, Taptuk Emre, Aşık Paşa, Akyazılı Sultan,Sultan Şucaeddin Velî, Kaygusiz Abdal, Yunus Emre, Kolu Açık Hacım Sultan, Seyit Ali Sultan (Kızıl Deli), Otman Baba, Barak Baba, Hacı Bayram Velî, Fazlullah Hurufî, Seyyid Nesimî, Balım Sultan Pîr Sultan Abdal, Şah İsmail (Hataî), Kalender Çelebî, Oğlan Şeyh (İbrahim Maşukî) Etc 

We have Cemevis, Semah, 4 doors and 40 levels, Şeriat 10 levels, Tarikat 10 levels, Mârifet 10 levels, Hakikat 10 levels.

We do not marry more than once, we have 12 service, Şii have ezan 

Şii go mosque we don't we have Cemevi

Şii have imams we have mürşid rehber pir AnD Ana 

We pray along with man and women, their is no gender separation 

Şii turn towards Kâbe, we turn face to face 

Şii believe in Şeriat, we believe in Şeriat tarikat marifet hakikat

Şii are prefer Şeriat Alevis prefer hak hakikat 

Şii Pray in Arabic Alevis in Turkish 

Şii have ramazan oruç Alevis Muharrem because Hz Ali was martyrd 

Alevi have Semah saz, Şii says music is haram 

Alevi marry once sii marry more 

 

Women do not have to be covered in alevi, but Şii do

Alevis believe in Zâhir and Bâtînî, Şii just Zâhir 

Şii has stoning 

 

Basically only Ehli-Beyt and imam Ali is the same 

 

sii have become Sunnis 

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33 minutes ago, AleviTurkmenKhorasan said:

sii have become Sunnis

haha no Shia haven't become Sunis. Our ideology is quite different from them. By the way it is nice to know about Alevi Ideology. 

Sorry to add another question. But i just want to know what is you believe regarding Imam Mehdi (A.S). Do you guys believe in Gaibat of Imam (A.S) or your views are different?

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