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31 minutes ago, iavswn said:

What does the legitimacy of Imams have to do with the creation of divisions? :confused: 

Rejection of Imamate caused divisions bro so you should better criticize those who sat on pulpit of Khilafah while they had neither qualifications nor authority to do so.

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9 hours ago, iavswn said:

The "straight path" is not a division among 73 divisions. The straight path is adherence to the Law (Shari'ah).

Like I said it before,  The original path is not an division, but all other paths are division from the original one. Sorry im too tired to read all your post of editing from original and repeating. You could not just take time and reply to me in one big post. I'm out. 

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1 hour ago, iavswn said:

hoskot tried to misdirect me and throw me off with that stuff he was saying about 5:48. :D

did i? sorry bro, i strongly believe there's no compulsion in religion. just do ur own research and follow the best words.

do u know shias were already in existence during prophet's lifetime?

The Prophet was happy with them

so whatever division occurring after the demise of the prophet, shias are blame-free.

let's forget about this division thing and be as in a race to good deeds! (which is not what u r doing by opening this thread). :D

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10 hours ago, iavswn said:

The Qur'an and the Books which come before are a revelation from Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى. NOT the prophet.

First and foremost thank you for publicly admitting kuffor in the verses of Quran, especially the verse that states that the Prophet is the one who reveals to us the meaning of the Quran, by denying it and trying to change the topic to talk about "understanding, knowledge, guidance, The Qur'an and the Books which come before are a revelation from Allah" to prove otherwise.

10 hours ago, iavswn said:

Understanding and Knowedge comes by Guidance from Allah. NOT the Prophet.

Oh really?.

‏[‏الشورى‏:‏ 52-53‏]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

‏‏وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ صِرَاطِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ أَلَا إِلَى اللَّهِ تَصِيرُ الأمُورُ‏

صدق الله العلي العظيم


‏[‏إبراهيم‏:‏ 1‏]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

‏‏كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ إِلَيْكَ لِتُخْرِجَ النَّاسَ مِنَ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِمْ إِلَى صِرَاطِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَمِيدِ

صدق الله العلي العظيم

 

Not only you commited kuffor in one verse,  but now you commited kuffor in FOUR.Second of all since Quranis seem to have a problem with the prophet (sal Allah alayh wa aleh wa salam), let me teach you what Allah (aza wa jal) in the Quran says about the prophet, that he OWNS YOUR LIFE. In other words, your life belongs and is a property of the Prophet (sal Allah alayh wa aleh wa salam). SO if he told you to shine shoes, you will shine shoes with a smile on your face that is IF you so wish to remain a believer.

الأحزاب 6

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ ۖ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ ۗ وَأُولُو الْأَرْحَامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلَىٰ بِبَعْضٍ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّـهِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُهَاجِرِينَ إِلَّا أَن تَفْعَلُوا إِلَىٰ أَوْلِيَائِكُم مَّعْرُوفًا ۚ كَانَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْكِتَابِ مَسْطُورًا 

صدق الله العلي العظيم

Even better! If you just raise your voice next to the prophet (sal Allah alayh wa aleh wa salam), JUST RAISE YOUR VOICE, all your work (prayer, fasting, zakat) means nothing anymore and you are going straight down to hell. That is IF you raise your voice, now what about those who deny his role, actions, and sayings?

الحجرات 2

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

 يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَرْفَعُوا أَصْوَاتَكُمْ فَوْقَ صَوْتِ النَّبِيِّ وَلَا تَجْهَرُوا لَهُ بِالْقَوْلِ كَجَهْرِ بَعْضِكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ أَن تَحْبَطَ أَعْمَالُكُمْ وَأَنتُمْ لَا تَشْعُرُونَ

صدق الله العلي العظيم

And one more thing...

IF YOU WANT Allah (aza wa jal) to forgive your sins, and get into heaven, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROPHET 100%, YOUR WHOLE FAITH LIES ON FOLLOWING THE PROPHET.

ال عمران 31

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللَّـهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللَّـهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّـهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

صدق الله العلي العظيم

 

P.S: I suggest you read the Quran and not the English translations which are worse than most of the Arabic translations. Just a tip from a Muslim, if you want to become one. All in All, it is hypocritical of you to make a thread about how all sects have deviated yet, YOU and your ideology commit kuffor in some Quranic verses that are clear as day.

 

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Quick history lesson. The term sunni did not exist during the lifetime of the Prophet (saw) and for a quite a few years after him.

Bypassing all the years in between, let's go to the Shura council setup by Caliph Umar. Abdur-Rehman bin Awf had to pick between Imam Ali (as) and Caliph Uthman.

He went to Imam Ali (as) first and asked, "Do you promise to follow the teaching of the Prophet and the tradition aka sunnah of the Shaykhain (Caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar)?"
Imam Ali (as) said yes to the teachings and no to the Sunnah of the Shaykhain.

He asked the same question of Caliph Uthmanwho agreed. And so Sunnah was born.

Muawiya then formalized the term "Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamaah" when he was warring with Imam Ali (as). Little do you know that your identity comes from Muawiya and not the Prophet (saw) and the Sunnah it refers to is the Sunnah of Caliphs and not the Prophet (saw).

End of lesson.

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3 hours ago, First Responder said:

First and foremost thank you for publicly admitting kuffor in the verses of Quran, especially the verse that states that the Prophet is the one who reveals to us the meaning of the Quran, by denying it and trying to change the topic to talk about "understanding, knowledge, guidance, The Qur'an and the Books which come before are a revelation from Allah" to prove otherwise.

Oh really?.

‏[‏الشورى‏:‏ 52-53‏]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

‏‏وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ صِرَاطِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ أَلَا إِلَى اللَّهِ تَصِيرُ الأمُورُ‏

صدق الله العلي العظيم


‏[‏إبراهيم‏:‏ 1‏]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

‏‏كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ إِلَيْكَ لِتُخْرِجَ النَّاسَ مِنَ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِمْ إِلَى صِرَاطِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَمِيدِ

صدق الله العلي العظيم

 

Not only you commited kuffor in one verse,  but now you commited kuffor in FOUR.Second of all since Quranis seem to have a problem with the prophet (sal Allah alayh wa aleh wa salam), let me teach you what Allah (aza wa jal) in the Quran says about the prophet, that he OWNS YOUR LIFE. In other words, your life belongs and is a property of the Prophet (sal Allah alayh wa aleh wa salam). SO if he told you to shine shoes, you will shine shoes with a smile on your face that is IF you so wish to remain a believer.

الأحزاب 6

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ ۖ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ ۗ وَأُولُو الْأَرْحَامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلَىٰ بِبَعْضٍ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّـهِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُهَاجِرِينَ إِلَّا أَن تَفْعَلُوا إِلَىٰ أَوْلِيَائِكُم مَّعْرُوفًا ۚ كَانَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْكِتَابِ مَسْطُورًا 

صدق الله العلي العظيم

Even better! If you just raise your voice next to the prophet (sal Allah alayh wa aleh wa salam), JUST RAISE YOUR VOICE, all your work (prayer, fasting, zakat) means nothing anymore and you are going straight down to hell. That is IF you raise your voice, now what about those who deny his role, actions, and sayings?

الحجرات 2

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

 يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَرْفَعُوا أَصْوَاتَكُمْ فَوْقَ صَوْتِ النَّبِيِّ وَلَا تَجْهَرُوا لَهُ بِالْقَوْلِ كَجَهْرِ بَعْضِكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ أَن تَحْبَطَ أَعْمَالُكُمْ وَأَنتُمْ لَا تَشْعُرُونَ

صدق الله العلي العظيم

And one more thing...

IF YOU WANT Allah (aza wa jal) to forgive your sins, and get into heaven, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROPHET 100%, YOUR WHOLE FAITH LIES ON FOLLOWING THE PROPHET.

ال عمران 31

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللَّـهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللَّـهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّـهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

صدق الله العلي العظيم

 

P.S: I suggest you read the Quran and not the English translations which are worse than most of the Arabic translations. Just a tip from a Muslim, if you want to become one. All in All, it is hypocritical of you to make a thread about how all sects have deviated yet, YOU and your ideology commit kuffor in some Quranic verses that are clear as day.

 

In the hadith Ibn Umar related that the Holy Prophet said: If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.'' (Abu Dawud, Book of Sunna, edition published by Quran Mahal, Karachi, vol. iii, p. 484)

Abu Zarr reported that the Holy Prophet said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.'' (Bukhari, Book of Ethics; Book 78, ch. 44)

"Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.'' (Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)

Call not the people of your Qibla [i.e. those who face the Ka`ba in Makka for prayer] as kafir.'' (Al-Nihaya of Ibn Athir, vol. iv, p. 187)

"Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that by which he entered into it [i.e. the Kalima].'' (Majma` az-Zawa'id, vol. i, p. 43)

"Three things are the basis of faith. [One is] to withhold from one who says `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call him kafir for any sin, nor expel him from Islam for any misconduct.'' (Abu Dawud, Book of Jihad, 15:33)

"Whoever attributes kufr [unbelief] to a believer, he is like his murderer.'' (Tirmizi, ch. Iman (Faith); see Arabic-Urdu edition cited earlier, vol. ii, p. 213. See also Bukhari, Book of Ethics; Book 78, ch. 44)

"And among the doctrines of the Ahl as-Sunna is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called kafir.'' (Sharh `Aqa'id Nasfi, p. 121)

Regarding Imam Abu Hanifa, the founder of the Hanafi system of Islamic law, which has more followers than any other system in Islam, it is written: "He did not call as kafir anyone from among the people of the Qibla.'' (Sharh Mawaqif, fifth part)

"Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that which made him enter it.'' (Rad al-Mukhtar, vol. iii, p. 310)

"It is extremely serious to expel a Muslim from the faith.''(Sharh Shifa, vol. ii, p. 500)

"A ruling of takfir against a Muslim should not be given if it is possible to interpret his words in a favourable manner.'' (Rad al-Mukhtar, Book of Jihad, ch. on Apostasy)

Allama Sayyid Jalal-ud-Din wrote: "The takfir of people of the Qibla is itself an act of unbelief.'' (Dala'il al-Masa'il)

Ibn Abu Hamra, a saint, wrote: "It has already been stated that the rule of the Ahl Sunna is that they do not call kafir, or consider as going to hell eternally, anyone who is of the people of the Qibla.''

"The Imams have made it clear that if there is any ground for not issuing takfir, a ruling of takfir should not be made, even if that ground is weak.'' (Raf al-ishtiba `an `ibarat al-ishtiba, p. 4, published in Egypt)

"Some prejudiced persons from the Asharis call the Hanbalis as kafir, and some Hanbalis call the Asharis as kafir. But their calling each other kafir is not right because the belief of the trustworthy Imams of the Hanafis, Shafi`is, Hanbalis, and the Asharis, is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called a kafir.'' (Miftah Dar as-Sa`ada wa Misbak as-Sayyida, vol i, p. 46)

"The generality of the theologians and the jurists are agreed that none of the people of the Qibla can be called a kafir.'' (Al-Mawaqif, printed in Cairo, p. 600)

 

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4 hours ago, First Responder said:

First and foremost thank you for publicly admitting kuffor in the verses of Quran, especially the verse that states that the Prophet is the one who reveals to us the meaning of the Quran, by denying it and trying to change the topic to talk about "understanding, knowledge, guidance, The Qur'an and the Books which come before are a revelation from Allah" to prove otherwise.

Oh really?.

‏[‏الشورى‏:‏ 52-53‏]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

‏‏وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ صِرَاطِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ أَلَا إِلَى اللَّهِ تَصِيرُ الأمُورُ‏

صدق الله العلي العظيم


‏[‏إبراهيم‏:‏ 1‏]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

‏‏كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ إِلَيْكَ لِتُخْرِجَ النَّاسَ مِنَ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِمْ إِلَى صِرَاطِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَمِيدِ

صدق الله العلي العظيم

 

Not only you commited kuffor in one verse,  but now you commited kuffor in FOUR.Second of all since Quranis seem to have a problem with the prophet (sal Allah alayh wa aleh wa salam), let me teach you what Allah (aza wa jal) in the Quran says about the prophet, that he OWNS YOUR LIFE. In other words, your life belongs and is a property of the Prophet (sal Allah alayh wa aleh wa salam). SO if he told you to shine shoes, you will shine shoes with a smile on your face that is IF you so wish to remain a believer.

الأحزاب 6

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ ۖ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ ۗ وَأُولُو الْأَرْحَامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلَىٰ بِبَعْضٍ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّـهِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُهَاجِرِينَ إِلَّا أَن تَفْعَلُوا إِلَىٰ أَوْلِيَائِكُم مَّعْرُوفًا ۚ كَانَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْكِتَابِ مَسْطُورًا 

صدق الله العلي العظيم

Even better! If you just raise your voice next to the prophet (sal Allah alayh wa aleh wa salam), JUST RAISE YOUR VOICE, all your work (prayer, fasting, zakat) means nothing anymore and you are going straight down to hell. That is IF you raise your voice, now what about those who deny his role, actions, and sayings?

الحجرات 2

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

 يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَرْفَعُوا أَصْوَاتَكُمْ فَوْقَ صَوْتِ النَّبِيِّ وَلَا تَجْهَرُوا لَهُ بِالْقَوْلِ كَجَهْرِ بَعْضِكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ أَن تَحْبَطَ أَعْمَالُكُمْ وَأَنتُمْ لَا تَشْعُرُونَ

صدق الله العلي العظيم

And one more thing...

IF YOU WANT Allah (aza wa jal) to forgive your sins, and get into heaven, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROPHET 100%, YOUR WHOLE FAITH LIES ON FOLLOWING THE PROPHET.

ال عمران 31

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللَّـهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللَّـهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّـهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

صدق الله العلي العظيم

 

P.S: I suggest you read the Quran and not the English translations which are worse than most of the Arabic translations. Just a tip from a Muslim, if you want to become one. All in All, it is hypocritical of you to make a thread about how all sects have deviated yet, YOU and your ideology commit kuffor in some Quranic verses that are clear as day.

 

I stated, "The Qur'an and the Books which come before are a revelation from Allah". That's not rejection of the Qur'an.  That's exactly what the Qur'an states:
 

Qur'an 4:163 Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms].

Qur'an 2:4 And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].

Qur'an 2:136 Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

Qur'an 2:285 The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."

Qur'an 3:84 Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."

Qur'an 4:136 O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.

Qur'an 5:59 Say, "O People of the Scripture, do you resent us except [for the fact] that we have believed in Allah and what was revealed to us and what was revealed before and because most of you are defiantly disobedient?"

Qur'an 29:46 And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

Qur'an 42:15 So to that [religion of Allah ] invite, [O Muhammad], and remain on a right course as you are commanded and do not follow their inclinations but say, "I have believed in what Allah has revealed of the Qur'an, and I have been commanded to do justice among you. Allah is our Lord and your Lord. For us are our deeds, and for you your deeds. There is no [need for] argument between us and you. Allah will bring us together, and to Him is the [final] destination."

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32 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Yes brother, confusion is the first step towards understanding

Falsely accusing another Muslim of Kuf and in violation of a prohibition on. Only a Shiite would resort to such unIslamic tactics.

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15 hours ago, hoskot said:

that's what i was saying. 

event of saqifah, lead to the first occurrence of division in islam, thus clearly disobeying verse 3:103. so dear bro, don't blame it on shia.

shias are just following the command of the holy prophet saww :grin:

 

You parsed and cherry picked one exegesis and ignored everything else which was provided. Where is the Logic and Truth in that? :confused:

 

 

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4 hours ago, shiaman14 said:

@iavswn

Quick history lesson. The term sunni did not exist during the lifetime of the Prophet (saw) and for a quite a few years after him.

 

There is a double-standard then because you don't apply the same reasoning when it comes to Shia.

 

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Shia (n.)  also Shiah, 1620s, a collective name for one of the two great Muslim sects, from Arabic shi'ah "partisans, followers, sect, company, faction" (from sha'a "to follow"). This is the proper use, but it commonly is used in English to mean "a Shiite." In Arabic, shi'ah is the name of the sect, shiya'iy is a member of the sect.

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1 hour ago, iavswn said:

Falsely accusing another Muslim of Kuf and in violation of a prohibition on. Only a Shiite would resort to such unIslamic tactics.

Brother - you used the "confused" emoticon, not me. For your help, let me quote you again:

1 hour ago, iavswn said:

:confused:

Changing the truth to one's own liking and then falsely accusing others. Only a Sunni would resort to such unIslamic tactics.

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54 minutes ago, iavswn said:

There is a double-standard then because you don't apply the same reasoning when it comes to Shia.

No double standard just half intelligence on the part of the Sunnis.

The Sunnis broke off and started calling themselves "Ahle SUnnah Wal Jamaah"; we can't apply the same logic to the shias because we were and are true to the Prophet's teachings.

For example, the Prophet said, ""Quran and AhlulBayt" so we adhere to both.

The Prophet never said "Quran and Sunnah" yet you adhere to it blindly without realizing that "quran anad sunnah" is not the sunnah of the Prophet (saw) but that of Muawiya.

So the same logic cannot be applied to Shias and Sunnis.

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14 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Only a Sunni would resort to such unIslamic tactics.

I'm not a Sunni but thanks for proving my point that Shia always make false accusations against others. :D

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12 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Changing the truth to one's own liking and then falsely accusing others. 

Provide proof I said other than what the Qur'an states when provided proof from the Qur'an for Revelation being from Allah.

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Just now, iavswn said:

I'm not a Sunni but thanks for proving my point Shia making false accusations against others. :D

You are so funny.

You post a reply with the confused emoticon.

I reply with "confusion"

and then you are accusing me of lying and unislamic tactics.

Here is a link to your own post and it sure seems like you are still confused.

 

 

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1 minute ago, iavswn said:

Provide proof I said other than what the Qur'an states when provided proof from the Qur'an for Revelation being from Allah.

we weren't discussing that.

I gave a brief history lesson.

You responded with a confused emoticon.

I responded with "confusion is the first step towards understanding"

You said I am falsely accusing you of being confused.

You really are confused.

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15 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

Changing the truth to one's own liking and then falsely accusing others.

Provide proof I said other than what the Qur'an states when I provided proof from the Qur'an for Knowledge and understanding being by Guidance from Allah.

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On 8/1/2017 at 11:40 AM, iavswn said:

How can a Muslim be Shia or Sunni when Allah has prohibited the creation of divisions? 

Qur'an 3:103 And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided.

Arabic: وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ وَاذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاءً فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ - 3:103

Note: Shia are not Sunni and Sunni are not Shia so Shia and Sunni are in FACT a division which has been created.

You are absolutely correct. Divisions are wrong.

Unfortunately, no one was around to tell Muawiya this when he created "Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ah". This is why we curse Muawiya and his lineage. So repeat after me, "May the curse of Allah be on Muawiya, Yazid and all of Bani Ummayya".

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8 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

You are so funny.

You post a reply with the confused emoticon.

I reply with "confusion"

and then you are accusing me of lying and unislamic tactics.

Here is a link to your own post and it sure seems like you are still confused.

 

 

Attacking me over an emoticon I posted, whether intentional or accidental, is the best you can come up with to refute my statements? :hahaha:

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13 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

You are so funny.

You post a reply with the confused emoticon.

I reply with "confusion"

and then you are accusing me of lying and unislamic tactics.

Here is a link to your own post and it sure seems like you are still confused.

 

 

You did in fact imply I am a Sunni so no, I did not Lie.

 

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Just now, iavswn said:

Attacking me over an emoticon I posted, whether intentional or accidental, is the best you can come up with as a refutation? :hahaha:

I am neither attacking nor refuting. You attacked me and the shias by saying we are doing some unislamic because I "accused" you of being confused when you said you were confused. A picture is worth a thousand words; an emoticon must be worth at least 100 words.

Let's face it, you have no where to run. The brief history lesson is sufficient to prove that Muawiya created Ahle Sunnah and the divisions. You were confused about how the tables got turned and are running of on a tangent about unislamic tactics so let's continue on that track.

A) You were really confused hence the emoticon and now denying being confused thereby lying. UNISLAMIC.

B) You werent confused but were lying about being confused hoping I would let you be. UNISLAMIC.

Either option makes you a liar and unislamic.

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3 minutes ago, shiaman14 said:

I am neither attacking nor refuting. You attacked me and the shias by saying we are doing some unislamic because I "accused" you of being confused when you said you were confused. A picture is worth a thousand words; an emoticon must be worth at least 100 words.

Let's face it, you have no where to run. The brief history lesson is sufficient to prove that Muawiya created Ahle Sunnah and the divisions. You were confused about how the tables got turned and are running of on a tangent about unislamic tactics so let's continue on that track.

A) You were really confused hence the emoticon and now denying being confused thereby lying. UNISLAMIC.

B) You werent confused but were lying about being confused hoping I would let you be. UNISLAMIC.

Either option makes you a liar and unislamic.

Calling believers/Muslims kafir or any variant of is unIslamic and I provided proofs to substantiate that claim.

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