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55 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

What is life? Do we have any definition in Islamic philosophy?

Life (or any other quality) cannot be defined because Life is God and as such it cannot be made finite (it cannot be de-fined).  There is in fact only one life and that is God.  There is no life but Allah.  

Every single Quality is Allah.  We just impose and restrict Allah through our conceptualizing mind.  

Life is not a thing.  Qualities are not things.  love (for example) is not a thing.  Things have a boundary - a distinguishing mark(s).  "Things" simply do not exist except as an abstraction.  But the reality of life, the reality of love or the reality of any other quality is all One, unbounded, eternal, every present, here and now.    

 

 

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10 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

Every single Quality is Allah.  We just impose and restrict Allah through our conceptualizing mind.  

 

I missed that one :).

Is there any specific difference in the meanings of quality and property? You have used the word quality for God.

 

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26 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

I missed that one :).

Is there any specific difference in the meanings of quality and property? You have used the word quality for God.

 

:)

"Property" implies a duality.  for example when I say "I have life, I have power, I have mercy.. etc etc"  these are usually seen as properties because I think of life, power or mercy as owned by myself.  So in effect there is "me" and then there are "my properties".  see the duality?

So to use the word "property" for referring to a quality is problematic because qualities are ultimately not even owned by God (let alone ourselves). Qualities (inasmuch as we do not treat them as things or as concepts) ARE all One.  And this One IS God Himself.  This is because God does not "have" life, but rather He IS Life.  He does not have power, but rather He IS power.  So in a paradoxical way, because God is all these qualities He is also none of them (or you can say, He is beyond them).  

God's very Being makes life what it is.  the very Being of God gives life all its meaning.  The very Being of God gives power all of its meaning.  The very Being of God gives mercy all of its meaning.  In fact THAT ONE gives meaning to being itself and therefore He is not only Being but He is Beyond-Being.  Now only our heart can witness this.  And it is accessible to all of us right here and right now.  One just has to go inward, stay still and be silent.       

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30 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

This is because God does not "have" life, but rather He IS Life.  He does not have power, but rather He IS power.  So in a paradoxical way, because God is all these qualities He is also none of them (or you can say, He is beyond them).  

Edit ( again not seen the editted part of your post)

30 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

Qualities (inasmuch as we do not treat them as things or as concepts) ARE all One.  And this One IS God Himself.

What I knew was that we use quality for persons & property for things. 

Are you suggesting one of His name as "Quality"?

30 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

God's very Being makes life what it is.  the very Being of God gives life all its meaning.  The very Being of God gives power all of its meaning.  The very Being of God gives mercy all of its meaning.  In fact THAT ONE gives meaning to being itself and therefore He is not only Being but He is Beyond-Being.  Now only our heart can witness this.  And it is accessible to all of us right here and right now.  One just has to go inward, stay still and be silent.       

This is excellent! May Almighty bless you. 

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26 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

He is not only Being but He is Beyond-Being.

Laitha ka'mithlehe shayy (like Him there is no-thing). 

What if we consider Him a thing (Shayy) like of which there is nothing? Should we still use the word "quality" for Him?

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3 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Allah is not hayat (life) but Al-Haye. Allah is not qudrat (power) but Al-Qadir. How can you align your comment with these?

If Allah is not hayat (life), then you must also say He is not Al-Haye.  The reason is because both, hayat and Al-Haye are limitations and constructs.  Yes, Al-Haye is sacred just as the Kaba is sacred or the black stone is sacred , or the Prophet himself (may God's peace and blessings be upon him) is sacred (and therefore we use these in our ritual acts of worship..because how else would we connect to God, what would we utter, what do we act, where do we go?).  But aside from them being sacred, Al-Haye is a limitation just as much as hayat is a limitation, or just as much as any other thing is a limitation.  Al-Haye, or the other  Asma ul-Husna are not exclusive names of God (sure,they  are exclusively sacred names of God within the Islamic Context).  The reason why the Asma al-Husna are not exclusive names for God is because God has infinite names.

And if all the trees on the earth were pens and the sea (were ink wherewith to write), with seven seas behind it to add to its (supply), yet the Words of Allah would not be exhausted. Verily, Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise--Luqman, 27

The names of God are infinite because His words are infinite.  Each and every thing(limitation) is a name of God.  The Infinite God appears to us through limits.  Each and every thing can veil God, but it can also unveil Him (if we can see with out heart's eye).  This is why God is Outward and Inward.  This is why wherever you turn there is the face of God.  This is why God is with you wherever you are.  There is no escape from His Presence because He is Present in all things and all things are present in and through Him.  The Presence of God has no limits and therefore the creation cannot limit His Presence by preventing us from witnessing it.   

 

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the last sentence has a typo and should read:

 

The Presence of God has no limits and therefore the creation cannot limit His Presence by preventing us from witnessing Him.  

 

 

Urafa say that that the world is transparent to God.  

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10 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

If Allah is not hayat (life), then you must also say He is not Al-Haye.  The reason is because both, hayat and Al-Haye are limitations and constructs.  Yes, Al-Haye is sacred just as the Kaba is sacred or the black stone is sacred , or the Prophet himself (may God's peace and blessings be upon him) is sacred (and therefore we use these in our ritual acts of worship..because how else would we connect to God, what would we utter, what do we act, where do we go?).  But aside from them being sacred, Al-Haye is a limitation just as much as hayat is a limitation, or just as much as any other thing is a limitation.  Al-Haye, or the other  Asma ul-Husna are not exclusive names of God (sure,they  are exclusively sacred names of God within the Islamic Context).  The reason why the Asma al-Husna are not exclusive names for God is because God has infinite names.

And if all the trees on the earth were pens and the sea (were ink wherewith to write), with seven seas behind it to add to its (supply), yet the Words of Allah would not be exhausted. Verily, Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise--Luqman, 27

The names of God are infinite because His words are infinite.  Each and every thing(limitation) is a name of God.  The Infinite God appears to us through limits.  Each and every thing can veil God, but it can also unveil Him (if we can see with out heart's eye).  This is why God is Outward and Inward.  This is why wherever you turn there is the face of God.  This is why God is with you wherever you are.  There is no escape from His Presence because He is Present in all things and all things are present in and through Him.  The Presence of God has no limits and therefore the creation cannot limit His Presence by preventing us from witnessing it.   

 

Ma-sha Allah, Shia chat has the honor that people like you are its members.

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12 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

Ma-sha Allah, Shia chat has the honor that people like you are its members.

Salamun Alaykum,

All praise belongs to Him (for your praise and kind words).  

But you shouldn't think that.  You are being way too generous with your words. It is a blessing for me that Shia Chat is a means for myself (and others) to be able to express the little that I have learned from the Hikmat Tradition.

May God bestow his blessings upon you.

Ethereal

 

    

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