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On 7/9/2017 at 10:58 PM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

I left Christianity because it is a irresponsible belief and defies logic and common sense. Why would one claim to believe in one God and say that He is three separate but equal personalities  in one deity and then tell you that God (The Father) is not Jesus or the Spirit , Jesus (The Son) is neither the Spirit or God and the Spirit is not God or Jesus. 

And when you ask them for more details or how it to be, they say "It's a divine mystery"

Can you trust such an answer? I couldn't growing up.

@iCambrian this is what I said, I said nothing of the sort that you think that I said. What exactly is the issue here?

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This idea of "understanding my own mysteries more-so than understanding your mysteries" is arbitrary. 

^ I said nothing of this sort in my post, please read it in the full context.

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On 12/07/2017 at 1:28 AM, Quisant said:

My God says that he is the only real God.
Therefore all other gods are disproved.

Funny?

But I have always reasoned out my belief in the One and the Only God.

Some folks may not agree with my logic.

But that is not my problem.

Nor does your mockery prove your point.

As for me, I am quite satisfied that there is a God.

And He is All.-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Just and All-Merciful.

Little jokes don't bother Him.

So I am not bothered either. 

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5 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

@iCambrian this is what I said, I said nothing of the sort that you think that I said. What exactly is the issue here?

^ I said nothing of this sort in my post, please read it in the full context.

you said " there's more clarity and understanding of its mysteries ", regarding Islam's mysteries and Christianities. My response to that was,

" This idea of "understanding my own mysteries more-so than understanding your mysteries" is arbitrary.  "

Meaning that, a mystery is a mystery. given the subjective and abstract nature of our religions, it becomes arbitrary trying to size up one vs another in any objective or clear way.

What im trying to say is that, a person cannot objectively justify a move from one religion to another based on inherently subjective concepts. Whether a person believes that the trinity makes sense or not, I dont think is justification for either moving toward or moving away from Christianity. Its too subjective and not a central or fundamental core concept. Hence why many christians, even here in this chat might not even be trinitarians. I would think there would be more pragmatic reasons for a move from one religion to another.

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@iCambrian I see where you are coming from, but I don't think it is arbitrary, if anything it is quite subjective as it is with all religious topic.

3 hours ago, iCambrian said:

you said " there's more clarity and understanding of its mysteries ", regarding Islam's mysteries and Christianities.

Correct, with the assumption that a reader such as yourself understanding that I am talking about my personal and subjective experiences.

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On 8/20/2017 at 3:24 PM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

@iCambrian I see where you are coming from, but I don't think it is arbitrary, if anything it is quite subjective as it is with all religious topic.

Correct, with the assumption that a reader such as yourself understanding that I am talking about my personal and subjective experiences.

I can relate, especially when it comes to trinity, but it wasn't enough reason for me to leave Christianity. There's a lot more to Christianity than one doctrine. There are also trinitarians that receive blessings from God, so I don't think it's a game changer for God either. I thought that when I first admitted I didn't believe in a trinity that I would feel the condemnation, who cares people, but from God. I actually felt lighter, and my relationship really didn't change. I was open to explore scripture with new eyes. He doesn't live in the mainstream of any established religion. By the time men establish the does and don'ts, must and can'ts of how to believe in God their way it's always messed up. Millennia of contradicting religions proves nobody really cares what God thinks.  124,000 prophets can't be held responsible for what humans made of the message.

God doesn't change because of doctrine, or religion. He is what He is regardless our belief system and criteria. We have to look past that to experience God. It also makes for a better starting point for study. That's just my experience, thus far.

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I was in tears watching this. The Spirit of truth in me bore witness to the truth of this women's testimony. I have never seen Jesus in real life, like appear to me in a light where I seen his hands, and heard his voice. But so many times, he has surrounded me with his presence, he has washed me with his love. Like he truly loves me and reveals himself to me in a variety of ways. Also if this is not concrete evidence. Look at my life:

My Parents never graduated high school, I haven older sister who has been addicted to drugs, prostitution, an older brother in Prison for long periods of time, grew up with no father. Imagine the things set against me, the insecurity, low self-esteem, and pain I grew up with. With these cards handed to you, what hope do you have? I was a broken young girl.

Literally, Jesus came into my life and gave me value, worth, purpose, a new identity. He cared for me like his own baby and raised me. he taught me values, gave me wisdom, helped me, and most of all loved me through the good and bad times. He gave me experiences of good things in life that I forever am grateful for.

I graduated high school and spoke at my graduation, helped many people from the neighborhood I grew up in. Went to a prestigious university in California and now live in the Middle Eastern Country of Jordan. I have traveled around the world and seen more of God through Jesus. I never forget the pit he saved me from and I am 23 years old but still his baby! I love my Jesus. If anyone would call on him they would see he will come to them. Jesus is real and alive and active in the world, saving people. He surely saved me!

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19 hours ago, Journal1 said:

I was in tears watching this. The Spirit of truth in me bore witness to the truth of this women's testimony. I have never seen Jesus in real life, like appear to me in a light where I seen his hands, and heard his voice. But so many times, he has surrounded me with his presence, he has washed me with his love. Like he truly loves me and reveals himself to me in a variety of ways. Also if this is not concrete evidence. Look at my life:

My Parents never graduated high school, I haven older sister who has been addicted to drugs, prostitution, an older brother in Prison for long periods of time, grew up with no father. Imagine the things set against me, the insecurity, low self-esteem, and pain I grew up with. With these cards handed to you, what hope do you have? I was a broken young girl.

Literally, Jesus came into my life and gave me value, worth, purpose, a new identity. He cared for me like his own baby and raised me. he taught me values, gave me wisdom, helped me, and most of all loved me through the good and bad times. He gave me experiences of good things in life that I forever am grateful for.

I graduated high school and spoke at my graduation, helped many people from the neighborhood I grew up in. Went to a prestigious university in California and now live in the Middle Eastern Country of Jordan. I have traveled around the world and seen more of God through Jesus. I never forget the pit he saved me from and I am 23 years old but still his baby! I love my Jesus. If anyone would call on him they would see he will come to them. Jesus is real and alive and active in the world, saving people. He surely saved me!

Long story short, I have seen people see what I could not. I have been surrounded by a presence my Muslim friend called the Spirit of Allah, because he felt it too. Okay, that's two stories.

I believe that presence to be the Holy Spirit, sent by God, often in the form of angels, many ascribe to being Jesus. I wish I could have asked the lady that proved answer to my prayer but the timing was rather intense and I was too busy figuring out what was going on already. I couldn't see what she saw but I knew "God in His essence" was there. 

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