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I am very curious as to why many of our muslims hate jews??? I personally have met many Jews who were nothing but friendly to me and the bulk of them admitted that Islam was more correct than Judaism yet they remained jews and I had no problem with that. My biological mother who is a practicing muslim actually works as a lab manager at an all jewish university and they treat her very well and respect her. If you actually look at the jewish religion its actually more similar to islam than any other religion, there laws are practically identical in many cases and many scholars allow the eating if their meat and I also eat kosher meat, also if you see orthodox jews praying its actually almost identical to how we pray, they do sajdah and ruku. So I am just curious as to why many muslims hate jews??

 

Look at the salah

 

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18 minutes ago, E.L King said:

Which scholars allow the eating of their meat?

Some of ualam that I know who are not internet sheikhs or youtubes ones.

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46 minutes ago, Muhajir said:

So I am just curious as to why many muslims hate jews??

Don't have anything against jews. Its the zionists I dislike, and the zionists are not necessarily jews, they are from all faiths, including "muslims", like the king of KSA, but really they are against religion overall, they manipulate judaism to serve a political agenda, quite similar to what Wahhabis do in the name of Islam. 

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9 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Don't have anything against jews. Its the zionists I dislike, and the zionists are not necessarily jews, they are from all faiths, including "muslims", like the king of KSA, but really they are against religion overall, they manipulate judaism to serve a political agenda, quite similar to what Wahhabis do in the name of Islam. 

true but many think that those movements are only jews lol and that is an issue but as I said earlier some people are still drinking powder milk formula while some people are eating full course meals so that is why I wouldn't want to go too deep into that issue.

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I have never been in a gathering where muslims straight up hate jews for the sake of them being jews, not a shia one at least.

But I am curious, what is your opinion regarding the extremist and racist ideology of zionism?

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5 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

I have never been in a gathering where muslims straight up hate jews for the sake of them being jews, not a shia one at least.

But I am curious, what is your opinion regarding the extremist and racist ideology of zionism?

the same as my opinion for the racists and extremist zionist ideology of the gulf arabs. Actually I have more anomisty and hatred for the gulf arab ones

like I said Ibn Masud said that he would rather eat with a Christian or jew before ahlul biddah. This is because a chirstian or jew you know what they are but ahlul biddah can stab you in the back while pretending to be friends.

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32 minutes ago, E.L King said:

Can you name them?

There not famous people bro and prefer to stay low key. If I named them how would you even know them?

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7 minutes ago, Muhajir said:

There not famous people bro and prefer to stay low key. If I named them how would you even know them?

Okay, your choice. I was just wondering, because the mainstream marjas do not suppot eating a dhabiha slaughtered by non-Muslims.

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10 minutes ago, E.L King said:

Okay, your choice. I was just wondering, because the mainstream marjas do not suppot eating a dhabiha slaughtered by non-Muslims.

I do understand why they would do so even if they believed the view that kosher was fine and due to the reason as to why they would say that I wouldn't say the reason for them saying only zabiha is ok.

edit: At least the reason I think.

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19 minutes ago, Muhajir said:

I do understand why they would do so even if they believed the view that kosher was fine and due to the reason as to why they would say that I wouldn't say the reason for them saying only zabiha is ok.

edit: At least the reason I think.

No, what I mean by not supporting is, is that they don't believe it is permissible, and they say that Islam is a condition for a halal dhabiha.

2603. There are certain conditions for the slaughtering of an animal. They are as follows:-

A person, a man or a woman, who slaughters an animal must be a Muslim. An animal can also be slaughtered by a Muslim child who is mature enough to distinguish between good and bad, but not by non-Muslims other than Ahle Kitab, or a person belonging to those sects who are classified as Kafir, like, Nawasib - the enemies of Ahlul Bait (A.S.). In fact, even if Ahle Kitab non-Muslim slaughters an animal, as per precaution, it will not be halal, even if he utters 'Bismillah'.
 
 

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9 hours ago, Muhajir said:

I am very curious as to why many of our muslims hate jews??? I personally have met many Jews who were nothing but friendly to me and the bulk of them admitted that Islam was more correct than Judaism yet they remained jews and I had no problem with that. My biological mother who is a practicing muslim actually works as a lab manager at an all jewish university and they treat her very well and respect her. If you actually look at the jewish religion its actually more similar to islam than any other religion, there laws are practically identical in many cases and many scholars allow the eating if their meat and I also eat kosher meat, also if you see orthodox jews praying its actually almost identical to how we pray, they do sajdah and ruku. So I am just curious as to why many muslims hate jews??

 

Look at the salah

 

They also have their own Qiblah they turn to. 

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I have been a member of this website on and off since around 2003/ 2004 sort of time. I cant remember any time where there was a thread or general posts or attitudes showing any hatred towards jews, apart from the odd member using out of context/ unreliable hadith and verses who usually was immediately shut down by other members. 

the truth is, the hatred of jews is not something associated with shia, but the non shia. its totally expected that someone tells them to hate jews and they are immediately whipped up into a frenzy. subtlety of thought or nuance or complex political issues are completely lost on them. 

Imam Ali (as) spent a big chunk of his life employed by a jew, in his date orchard. that should tell us all we need to know about how we are to interact with the jews. 

zionism is a whole other thing. jews =/= zionists 

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On 6/19/2017 at 0:00 AM, E.L King said:

Okay, your choice. I was just wondering, because the mainstream marjas do not suppot eating a dhabiha slaughtered by non-Muslims.

Pretty hard to do in North America. It is illegal to slaughter an animal for food if it is not rendered unconscious first. This alleviates the stress on the animal which in turn makes the meat more tender. I understand a sharp blade with no nicks can happen fast enough the animal is confused rather than stressed, but I don't make the laws.

Not to say American cattle farmers are all Christians. I have a friend in the QC inspection end of it, and you don't want to know his stories. At least with Halal you know you're not getting growth hormones and sedatives in your meat.

Interesting, Muslims pray at the time of slaughter, Jewish Rabbis pray when the meat is presented to them, (or they go to it now days). Christians pray when it is prepared and in front of them, ready to eat. The main agreed upon similarity in the three religions is prayer. 

 

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In the US and parts of Europe, hostility towards the Jews springs from the following:

1. Jews are a small minority within the general population and yet control vast amounts of wealth and political power. They are by far the wealthiest ethnic/religious group in the west. People view them as a kind of aristocracy that is not subject to the same laws and social pressures as the rest of us.

2. Jews are looked at as exercising in-group preferences, group strategies, and ethno-nationalism. Obviously many other groups do this as well, but if you combine this with #1, you see where the problems come in. Using their power and wealth, Jews manipulate the US government into enacting a foreign policy that benefits Israel at the expense of our nation. They are quite open about this. Probably 90% of Americans are against the US policy int he Middle-East, but they don't have a voice.

3. The Jews are viewed as largely agnostic or atheist, and most have political opinions that are far-left. Socially, they have few standards or norms, and they run things like the adult-film industry (pornography), loan-sharking operations (payday loans), Hollywood, etc. On the academic level, Jews were the vanguard for postmodernism, which introduced irrationalism to science and philosophy (ideas like there are 37 different genders, biological sex is "non-binary", language is meaningless, math is just a "social construct", etc.). Their views on religion, society, and economics are completely at odds with those of Christians and Muslims.

4. The Jews hide behind a history of Anti-semitism to shield themselves from political or ideological criticism. 

 

Now I speak primarily about reformed or even conservative Jews. Orthodox Jews are not typically viewed the same way. 

 

Obviously, not all Jews can be characterized by the above. There are conservative, religious Jews, that are against things like Zionism, usury, pornography, etc. The complaint against he Jews is not racial or ethnic, it is ideological.

 

 

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I spent two years living in a predominantly Jewish area.

I was surprised when stopped at a light, a lady knocked on my window with her cane. I reached over, opened the window, and she told me she wanted a ride. Once in the car I found out she really wanted a ride to the other side of the street. I turned around and drove about a block past where she got in. There were other cars where she wanted me to stop, and was angry I didn't stop on the street four car lengths back. She got out of the car muttering something.

My wife and I took a trip to the Grandby zoo. Just as we were headed for the gate two school buses let off 100 Jewish kids. They ran for the gate and crowded us out. Once inside, one leader was trying to find his way to somewhere. He asked if I had a map. We each had one so I gave him mine, told him he could keep it. He said "That's the map I have." and dropped it on the ground...in front of 25+/- kids.

In 1983ish, the University grad gift from the parents was a Mercedes 450 SEL convertable. 

They are a race from the Bible, they have a "promised land". All Americans know that.

They have no rules nor obligations when dealing with Gentiles. 

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On 6/18/2017 at 5:00 PM, Muhajir said:

I am very curious as to why many of our muslims hate jews???

Salam Muhajir,

The main currently popular reason many Muslims hate Jews is Israel (a nation that existed during the time of King David and later during the time of Jesus Christ/Yeshua HaMashiach - but was not in a physical state of existing during Muhammad's time).

I wonder if things would have been different if Israel had existed as a Jewish nation during Muhammad's time? When the Arabs conquered the land where Israel was, it was ruled by Gentile Christians, not by Jews or Jewish people who became Christians/decided to follow Jesus Christ

(The Gentile Christians of that time treated the Jews horribly.) :(

However, some Arab people have off and on had issues with Jewish people, long before Jesus Christ came.

For example, Israel was destroyed by the Babylonians long before Jesus Christ came, and eventually, God led the Children of Israel back to their Promised Land. He put it in Nehemiah's heart to rebuild the wall around Jerusalem.

Some Arabs and other people groups had a huge issue with that:

"But it came to pass that, when Sanballat, and Tobiah, and the Arabians, and the Ammonites, and the Ashdodites, heard that the repairing of the walls of Jerusalem went forward, and that the breaches began to be stopped, then they were very wroth;

and they conspired all of them together to come and fight against Jerusalem, and to cause confusion therein. - Nehemiah 4:1-2

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt35b04.htm

Israel has a very interesting cycle. I don't personally know of any other nation that has been able to regenerate like Israel has over the millennia.

Anyways, ever since the Arab Muslims conquered the land (around 638 AD) - where Israel was from the Christians, they consider that area theirs:

"Umar’s conquest of Jerusalem was famously peaceful, leaving intact the Christian holy sites and permitting Jews to reenter the city and settle near the Western Wall. It was an event that signified the dramatic shift of Jerusalem from a Christian-dominated city to a part of the Islamic empire. The claim of Islam was reinforced by Umar’s clearing of the Temple Mount to build a rough-hewn wooden mosque on the spot, a precursor to Al Aqsa Mosque. "

http://www.gojerusalem.com/article/307/Caliph-Umar--Conqueror-of-Jerusalem/

But, obviously God allowed the Jewish people to retake their land, whether Muslims like it or not. The fact that a Jewish land is surrounded by hostile Muslim nations and yet still exists is indeed a miracle. (Hostile Muslim nations have tried to wipe Israel from the map in the past, and will try again... it's a vicious cycle that will only stop once Jesus Christ returns.)

While Muslims have their own beliefs about what Jesus Christ will do when he returns, it's important to remember that Jesus Christ is Jewish and is the Jewish Masiach (Messiah).

Jesus Christ will save Israel when he returns, whether Muslims like it or not. After all, that's what the Jewish Messiah (Anointed King) is supposed to do: save and rule Israel for forever:

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

Peace and God bless you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 7/7/2017 at 3:09 AM, Son of Placid said:

They are a race from the Bible, they have a "promised land".

 

Salam Son of Placid,

True. It's interesting, because many of the ethnic groups of people (I prefer that term cause we are all the human race no matter our ethnic group) are extinct or generations away from  extinction. For example, I've never heard anyone say they are Hittites. Some scholars didn't even believe Hittites existed till they found evidence that they did:

"How did the discovery of the lost Hittite civilization provide evidence in support of the biblical record? The Old Testament mentions the ancient Hittite civilization more than 50 times, either by their Hebrew name "Chitti" or by their designation as the sons and daughters Heth.

However, prior to their rediscovery in the 19th century, there appeared to be no evidence for their existence outside of the Bible. Skeptics cited the missing evidence as evidence that the Bible actually fabricated their existence. This called the reliability of the biblical account into question. Basically the skeptics said, "We can't find any evidence for the Hittite civilization outside of the Bible. This demonstrates that the Bible cannot be trusted as an historical source."

Then, in the 19th and 20th centuries, archaeologists hit the jackpot, not only identifying extrabiblical references to the Hittite civilization, but by actually finding and excavating the ancient Hittite capital city of Hattusa (modern day Boрazkцy in northern Turkey). The rediscovery of this ancient civilization vindicated the Biblical record. "

http://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/hittite-faq.htm

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All Americans know that.

 

 I don't think that all Americans know about the Jewish people (or descendants of the Children of Israel) but there are many Americans who see the Jewish people and their continued survival in the face of so many enemies as miraculous and a testament of God's mighty power and promises. :)
 

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They have no rules nor obligations when dealing with Gentiles. 

 

I disagree. My Jewish friends practice the Golden Rule (do to others as you would have done to you) with Gentiles, including me. They state that Jesus Christ didn't give that rule; that he got it from Jewish teachings:

"Do to others as you would have them do to you." - Jesus Christ (Luke 6:31, NIV)

 

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In every nation there are racists. The Jews I know are not racists, but a religion that say God has a favourite race, has a built in danger of producing racists. Conflicts also produce racists. Israel may be a magnet to Jewish racists making their percentage larger in Israel than in the nations they came from.

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6 hours ago, andres said:

In every nation there are racists.

Salam Andres,

True.

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The Jews I know are not racists, but a religion that say God has a favourite race, has a built in danger of producing racists.

The Jewish people I know are not racisst either, and of course God does not have a "favorite race."

(The idea that Jews have a religion that says, "God has a favorite race" is a lie from Antisemites who hate Jews. :(

Sadly, some Muslims and the KKK fall for this lie. It's ironic by the way how some Muslims and the KKK (a "Christian" group) both hate Jews and both hate Israel.

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Conflicts also produce racists.

True.

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Israel may be a magnet to Jewish racists making their percentage larger in Israel than in the nations they came from.

Do you deny that Israel was a Jewish nation during the time of King David and then a Jewish nation after being destroyed by the Babylonians and regenerated in time for Jesus Christ's first coming? 

The Jewish people come from the nation of Israel, but Rome destroyed the Jewish nation of Israel (around 70 AD) after Jesus Christ's first coming. The Jewish people who survived were scattered around the world - the nations they came from are simply nations they fled to for survival after their own nation was destroyed by the pagan Romans.

God has brought many Jewish people back to the land He promised them. Whether people like it or not, God keeps His promises.

Peace and God bless you

 

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5 hours ago, Christianlady said:

The Jewish people I know are not racisst either, and of course God does not have a "favorite race."

God in the Torah is Israels God and protector only. Not all Jews believe they are Gods favorite people, and thus more worth to God than "Goyems". However I think some orthodox Jews do. 

 

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6 hours ago, Christianlady said:

Do you deny that Israel was a Jewish nation during the time of King David and then a Jewish nation after being destroyed by the Babylonians and regenerated in time for Jesus Christ's first coming? 

Israel was a nation not only for Jews, but for all Israelic tribes  It had a rather short history. Judea followed and the tribe lived there until roughly 2.000 years ago. Now that is all very long ago. In my view nobody can claim ownership to a piece of land that they claimed their ancestors lived in 80 generations ago. Not even 400 years ago. If this was tge rule, every white and black person in USA should be forced to give their property back to any native american that claimed it. As a Christian I am ashamed that so many western ( mainly US) politicians do not protest against Netanyahus racistic policy. 

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