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Scientists Assert That We Will Make Contact With Aliens in the Next Decade

https://futurism.com/scientists-assert-make-contact-aliens-next-decade/

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TECHNICAL ADVANCES DRIVING CONTACT

Both the most cynical person on Earth and the world’s greatest optimist could easily look at everything around them and ask: could this truly be all there is in the universe? Whatever your reason for posing the question, you may have an answer sooner than you think — and that answer is likely to be “no.” Science writer and comedian Ben Miller posits in his book The Aliens Are Coming! The Extraordinary Science Behind Our Search for Life in the Universe that one of the most powerful forces shaping science today is the growing search for life in the universe fueled by the belief that we are not alone. He believes that because of our current technologies, we’ll know about life on the Earth-like planets closest to us within the next ten years.

It’s easy to see why he thinks so. Scientists have identified an exoplanet that they’ve described as the best candidate for life as we know it — perhaps an even more important a target for planet characterization within habitable zones in the future than either Proxima b or TRAPPIST-1, and these have also recently been discovered. Speaking of Proxima b, the James Webb Telescope is likely to give us the images that will clarify its potential for supporting life, as it will do for other exoplanets.

In recent months scientists have stated that the fast radio bursts we’ve intercepted from outer space may well be evidence of alien life. Now they’re working to discern whether alien technology could be their source. Scientists also now believe that life might exist on Europa, one of Jupiter’s four Galilean moons. Recently, NASA’s plans to send a lander in search of biosignatures that might signal the presence of extraterrestrial life within its warm core have sprung into action; Europa may be home to a subterranean ocean, making it an ideal place to search for alien life.

In 2016, researchers made improvements to the Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array that could make finding water on celestial bodies easier. These improvements were specifically directed toward the ongoing search for alien life, as was the partnership between Breakthrough Initiative to find alien life and the National Astronomical Observatories of China. China’s team uses the 488 meter (1,600 foot) FAST telescope, and now it is being used in partnership with the world’s other largest radio telescopes, including the Parkes Observatory in Australia and the Green Bank Telescope in the US, to seek out extraterrestrial life. In 2016 scientists also adopted more accurate methods for studying gravitational pull of distant stars, making it easier to gather data on the size and brightness of the star, the likelihood of water oceans, and possibility of life being present.

AN UTTERLY CHANGED HUMANITY

Why are we so enthralled with this search for other life in the universe? It’s far more than an AV geek, sci-fi con hangover, if that’s your suspicion. Contact could mean extraordinary things for humanity if it happens soon — some of the possibilities are daunting, but most of them are promising.

Stephen Hawking is one of the best-known and most reputable voices who cautions against making first contact with alien life. His argument is simply that we have no way of knowing what’s out there, and that, historically speaking, as more advanced civilizations have come into contact with less advanced cultures, the latter has typically been oppressed and aggressed against, the former seeing it as less valuable. However, it’s worth noting that when we speak historically we are, by necessity, limited to our own recorded human history. What we’re observing may not be a pattern common to all life; it may simply be a pattern common to human cultures.

In contrast, the SETI (Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) Institute is populated by people who feel we have little, if anything, to lose by seeking out other forms of life. SETI has now given birth to METI International (Messaging Extra Terrestrial Intelligence), which is actively seeking out contact. Douglas Vakoch, a professor in the Department of Clinical Psychology at the California Institute for Integral Studies and the president of METI International, strongly disagrees with Hawking. He thinks it is illogical to hide our existence as a species since we have already leaked transmissions from radio and television broadcasts in the form of electromagnetic radiation for almost 100 years. Vakoch concludes that any culture with the technological sophistication to master interstellar travel can already perceive our leaked signals, and are therefore already aware of us, waiting for us to make the first move.

METI, led by Vakoch, is now working to target star systems within 20 or 30 light-years with repeat messages as part of an effort to accumulate data in order to test the Fermi Paradox and the Zoo Hypothesis. Ideally, within a few decades, Vakoch and his team hope that they will generate a testable hypothesis with enough data and standard peer-review methods.

As for Miller, he’s not on Team Hawking, and thinks that the benefits of contact outweigh the risks. The potential to learn about advanced technology for space travel, repairing our planet’s environment, and many other applications is an obvious benefit to contact. For Neil deGrasse Tyson, the big benefit to contact is more profound: right now, our understanding of life is extremely limited, and that is because we only have our own, terrestrial sample of life to study. The notion that we have an understanding of the tremendous diversity of life is somewhat silly when you think of it in this context; our entire set of observations all share a single origin and an encoded existence that transmits heredity and mediates replication via nucleic acids.

Our current understanding of life is too much like the infamous legal definition of pornography — the classic “I know it when I see it” — which, for Tyson, lacks scientific rigor (and to clarify, he is not responsible for that icky analogy). But our explorations of the galaxy to find contact with other forms of life could give us other examples and samples, and a truer sense of what life truly is. This kind of knowledge has the potential to change everything else we think we know, most likely for the better.

 

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Just now, E.L King said:

Its just a guess

The evidence and mathematical probablity stands against that though:

The Drake equation suggests there is a high possibility for life on other planets:

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N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L

  • N = The number of civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.
  • R* =The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life.
  • fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems.
  • ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life.
  • fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears.
  • fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges.
  • fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.
  • L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.
  • http://www.space.com/25219-drake-equation.html
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http://www.space.com/32793-intelligent-alien-life-probability-high.html

The Universe Has Probably Hosted Many Alien Civilizations: Study

Many other planets throughout the universe probably hosted intelligent life long before Earth did, a new study suggests.

The probability of a civilization developing on a potentially habitable alien planet would have to be less than one in 10 billion trillion — or one part in 10 to the 22nd power — for humanity to be the first technologically advanced species the cosmos has ever known, according to the study.

"To me, this implies that other intelligent, technology-producing species very likely have evolved before us," said lead author Adam Frank, a professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Rochester in New York. [13 Ways to Hunt Intelligent Alien Life]

 

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1 hour ago, Ībn Mūneer Āl-Feylī said:

The evidence and mathematical probablity stands against that though:

The Drake equation suggests there is a high possibility for life on other planets:

 

I see, but my guesses tend to be true even against all odds :p

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I wish NASA and similar intermediaries between scientific fact and the masses were actually honest. Their blind followers, the Darwinist are similarly dishonest, even with their own selves.

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1 hour ago, Darth Vader said:

I wish NASA and similar intermediaries between scientific fact and the masses were actually honest. Their blind followers, the Darwinist are similarly dishonest, even with their own selves.

The Quran clearly supports the possibility of beings living on other planets. 

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الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ - 1:2 [All] praise is [due] to Allah, Lord of the worlds -

 

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3 hours ago, Darth Vader said:

I wish NASA and similar intermediaries between scientific fact and the masses were actually honest. Their blind followers, the Darwinist are similarly dishonest, even with their own selves.

There has always been and will always be political meddling in science.

If you have access to truth or proof of misrepresentation, why not share it? 

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1 hour ago, notme said:

If you have access to truth or proof of misrepresentation, why not share it?

Whats the point, but ok. See, the theory of evolution doesn't cover plant fossils or their evolution or how the divide between animal and plant kingdoms happened. Just an example how mainstream Science! is misleading the masses. As for NASA that is a very large case and similarly pointless to explain. People need to use common sense is all.

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let me be the first to say it - we will find life on mars. it will be some simple form of bacteria such as e coli near a source of methane or (very unlikely) water. it will blow the lid off scientific theory when we discover DNA is not limited to planet earth. 

as for intelligent life, I agree with @notme. I'm guessing the rest of the galaxy probably sees humans as the way he elves saw the orcs in LOTR. the very first satellite transmission into space was a speech by hitler in the early stages of WWII. imagine an alien intercepting those messages, seeing that speech and then the subsequent images of WWII. why WOULD they contact us? from WWII till today its been pretty much war non stop as well. weve probably been quarantined from the rest of the galaxy, and our primitive, noisy signals jammed somehow so they never hit anything significant. 

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Problem is, will you be able to trust NASA even if they found Elvis Presley on some planet? Their credibility is zero. Darwinist credibility is similarly zero. The faked moon landings, 911 WTC, WMDs in Iraq, fake presidents and all the fraudulent things going on people have to realize that there is always a catch, there is always money to make, some psy ops or false flag to pull off. If space was indeed a practical frontier then they would not be invading and occupying patches of sand for some finite and disappearing fossil fuel. They would be drilling holes in the moon or titan and exploiting their riches. Mars. George Bush promised a manned mars mission then Obama promised one. The time tables were never met. They are still testing their Orion to see if its instruments can survive the van allen belt radiations (ref: official nasa clip on orion program). Then some enthusiasts found out that the rover imagery from mars is actually earth scenery given a reddish brown tinge. Just like they took apart apollo they have taken apart the mars rover hoax and proved it wrong.

Truth is that space exploration is impractical beyond earth orbit. They will never go to mars or elsewhere. They will try to conquer whatever is left of the middle east and the free world though. If you can not believe now then wait and find out for yourselves. Elon Musk's boasts will also remain what they are, wild boasts. There will be no man on the mars in the next decade.

To people who can think past what they are force feeding the masses, the whole space situation is an impasse.

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On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 8:46 AM, E.L King said:

Yea we won't. They don't exist.

 

On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 9:08 AM, Ībn Mūneer Āl-Feylī said:

Based on what reasoning are you employing? What proof do you have?

 

On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 11:27 AM, notme said:

If by "Aliens" they mean any living thing, it's perfectly feasible. If they mean intelligent species with which we can communicate, I'm skeptical. 

Proof?

More like the "very unlikely". Reason: Galaxies are plagued with sustained gamma ray bursts (GRBs) from  supernova  which eradicate living organisms.

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11 hours ago, hasanhh said:

 

 

Proof?

More like the "very unlikely". Reason: Galaxies are plagued with sustained gamma ray bursts (GRBs) from  supernova  which eradicate living organisms.

Planets can have an atmosphere and an ozone layer to protect themselves, therefore that doesn't have bearance on all planets. Secondly not all life has to be carbon based, some speculate silicone based life can form too. Also as noted with the Drake equation, it appears very likely:

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N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L

  • N = The number of civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.
  • R* =The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life.
  • fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems.
  • ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life.
  • fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears.
  • fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges.
  • fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.
  • L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.
  • http://www.space.com/25219-drake-equation.html

 

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5 hours ago, Ībn Mūneer Āl-Feylī said:

Planets can have an atmosphere and an ozone layer to protect themselves, therefore that doesn't have bearance on all planets. Secondly not all life has to be carbon based, some speculate silicone based life can form too. Also as noted with the Drake equation, it appears very likely:

 

Ozone breaks down -and then reforms- when struck by much lower UV light. The atmosphere and clouds do not appreciably limit UV.

Our cosmic rays penetrate into the Earth. X-rays pass through.  So what defense do you postulate gives any protection from a GRB ?

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6 hours ago, Ībn Mūneer Āl-Feylī said:

Secondly not all life has to be carbon based, some speculate silicone based life can form too.

Silicon based life is actually quite chemically improbable. I think if we encounter anything not carbon based, it's going to be energy based. 

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9 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Ozone breaks down -and then reforms- when struck by much lower UV light. The atmosphere and clouds do not appreciably limit UV.

Our cosmic rays penetrate into the Earth. X-rays pass through.  So what defense do you postulate gives any protection from a GRB ?

And yet life exists on earth... So it is entirely plausible it can exist on other planets and therefore your point is irrelevant. Anyway you cannot just dismiss the possibility of alien beings because it challenges your worldview. 

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9 hours ago, notme said:

Silicon based life is actually quite chemically improbable. I think if we encounter anything not carbon based, it's going to be energy based. 

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At first sight, silicon does look like a promising organic alternative to carbon. It is common in the universe and is also a p-block element of group IV, lying directly below carbon in the periodic table of elements, so that much of its basic chemistry is similar. For instance, just as carbon combines with four hydrogen atoms to form methane, CH4, silicon yields silane, SiH4. Silicates are analogs of carbonates, silicon chloroform of chloroform, and so on. Both elements form long chains, or polymers, in which they alternate with oxygen. In the simplest case, carbon-oxygen chains yield polyacetal, a plastic used in synthetic fibers, while from a backbone of alternating atoms of silicon and oxygen come polymeric silicones.

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/S/siliconlife.html

It still is an alternative to carbon based life. Sceptics do not carry much logic, you are only sceptical for the sake of it.

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1 hour ago, Ībn Mūneer Āl-Feylī said:

And yet life exists on earth... So it is entirely plausible it can exist on other planets and therefore your point is irrelevant. Anyway you cannot just dismiss the possibility of alien beings because it challenges your worldview. 

Plausibility is the minimal state of Likelihood. Plausible, lexicographically, is "apparently likely" and 'apparent' requires "readily seen"; "visible".  So it is not 'plausible' -as you write- that life exists elsewhere because nothing has been seen. The idea is, at this time, speculative. Speculative as in the NOVA, PBS program that said other planets have "land whales" :hahaha:

l was looking for place on SC for this quotation from Richard Feynman (1964) in a lecture he gave on gravitation l saw this morning. This appears the place:

"... nowdays more modernly in working out the motion of satellites and ... to calculate the predictions of the planets' position(s) which have great utility for astrologers to publish their predictions and horoscopes in the magazines. That's the strange World we live in that all of the advances in understanding are used only to continue the nonsense which is existed for 2,000 years. 

What you have promoted here is no different than how the ltalian word canali lead to Martian lnvasion Ridiculousness in the early part of the 20th Century.

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