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Often people compare Iran's role in Syria with Saudi's role in Yemen. They say that if Iran is justified to do what it's doing in Syria, why isn't Saudi in Yemen? 

My argument is that Iran would never have gotten involved in Syria had it not been NATO and the gulf countries' plans to overthrow Assad to begin with. From the very beginning, some protestors were armed and some chanted genocidal slogans against Shias and Christians. And unlike in Yemen, Bashar did not flee Syria, he had support and you could see that in pro-government demonstrations in 2011. Though yes mistakes were made in cracking down too hard on peaceful protestors, that didn't justify Saudi Arabia getting involved and arming insurgents and mercenaries. In Yemen, the government was unpopular and Hadi fled like a coward to Saudi, the Houthis had already gotten rid of him, so then what right did he have sitting outside Yemen, deeply unpopular to go and ask the Saudis to bomb the life out of his country. Unlike a lot of the opposition in Syria, the Houthis are Yemeni, and it's very much their fight alone and they receive very limited support from Iran whereas the terrorists in Syria are found holding modern American weaponry, and are imported from numerous countries. If you want to make comparisons, let's talk about how Saudi sent soldiers to attack Shia protestors in Bahrain and unlike in Syria where Saudi armed even more of them and turned this into a full out war, Iran did not arm the Bahrainis or the Saudi Shias when the uprising was suppressed. Every country that's at war in the region Syria, Yemen and Iraq has been as a result of Saudis escalating situations and the places at war are all allies of Iran unsurprisingly. 

What are your thoughts? How do you compare Saudi in Yemen and Iran in Syria?

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The reason behind Yemen's war is totally different then the reason behind Syria's war. 

The reason behind Yemen's war is the most anti-democratic reason ever. It is so absurd and ludicrous in how hypocritical the USA and it's allies are supporting KSA when they call for democracy. Because what started the war in Yemen is ousting of the Saudi backed billionaire dictator in Yemen. The people called for a right to self determination and the was answered with bombs.

Now the saudis will argue that Yemen was a threat to KSA, but that is just false. Go back at the time of events, it is evident and clear the reason was to keep their stooge in power.

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And the actual truth behind the war is, they dont want beb el mandab and city of aden in shia power. KSA is not acting on its own will.

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2 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Often people compare Iran's role in Syria with Saudi's role in Yemen. They say that if Iran is justified to do what it's doing in Syria, why isn't Saudi in Yemen? 

My argument is that Iran would never have gotten involved in Syria had it not been NATO and the gulf countries' plans to overthrow Assad to begin with. From the very beginning, some protestors were armed and some chanted genocidal slogans against Shias and Christians. And unlike in Yemen, Bashar did not flee Syria, he had support and you could see that in pro-government demonstrations in 2011. Though yes mistakes were made in cracking down too hard on peaceful protestors, that didn't justify Saudi Arabia getting involved and arming insurgents and mercenaries. In Yemen, the government was unpopular and Hadi fled like a coward to Saudi, the Houthis had already gotten rid of him, so then what right did he have sitting outside Yemen, deeply unpopular to go and ask the Saudis to bomb the life out of his country. Unlike a lot of the opposition in Syria, the Houthis are Yemeni, and it's very much their fight alone and they receive very limited support from Iran whereas the terrorists in Syria are found holding modern American weaponry, and are imported from numerous countries. If you want to make comparisons, let's talk about how Saudi sent soldiers to attack Shia protestors in Bahrain and unlike in Syria where Saudi armed even more of them and turned this into a full out war, Iran did not arm the Bahrainis or the Saudi Shias when the uprising was suppressed. Every country that's at war in the region Syria, Yemen and Iraq has been as a result of Saudis escalating situations and the places at war are all allies of Iran unsurprisingly. 

What are your thoughts? How do you compare Saudi in Yemen and Iran in Syria?

 

47 minutes ago, kirtc said:

The reason behind Yemen's war is totally different then the reason behind Syria's war. 

The reason behind Yemen's war is the most anti-democratic reason ever. It is so absurd and ludicrous in how hypocritical the USA and it's allies are supporting KSA when they call for democracy. Because what started the war in Yemen is ousting of the Saudi backed billionaire dictator in Yemen. The people called for a right to self determination and the was answered with bombs.

Now the saudis will argue that Yemen was a threat to KSA, but that is just false. Go back at the time of events, it is evident and clear the reason was to keep their stooge in power.

My thought is very different than you. Iran's role in Yemen and Saudi's role in Syria is exactly the same. What you stated above is direct result of personal bias in favor of Assad and hatred and prejudice against Saudi govt. This is because of the stereotype notion that every entity that seems favorable to Shia is regarded as all-out good and every entity hostile to Shia is regarded as all-out evil.

1.       Trying to overthrow a regime is not a bad thing in the first place you think the regime is oppressive or harmful. Moreover it is very natural that every govt wants to see other countries to be governed by friendly regimes either ideologically or politically. Currently Shia majority of Bahrain are trying to overthrow current Bahraini Sunni regime. Iran is giving them all kinds of support as far as possible. If Saudi help towards Syrian opposition is so bad then why Iran is supporting and helping opposition in Bahrain? It is very natural not only for Saudis but also for every players in the conflict to see favorable govt in Syria. Same way Iran will want see favorable govts in Syria, Lebanon, Bahrain, Yemen, Iraq etc.

2.       Its quite unclear what do you mean by genocidal words. I have seen so many videos and clips of protests. The protesters demanded overthrow of Assad regime. It seemed an ordinary anti govt protest like elsewhere of the world. If incidentally you come across one or two instances of so called ‘genocidal word’ then it must not be brought down as evidence to cast aspersion to this immensely popular protests.

3.       The discussion of who is coward and who is brave (Assad and Hadi) should not be infiltrated in the discussion of Iran and Saudi’s role. By the way, your drawing conclusion is ludicrous and portrayal of lack of knowledge of the situation. Hadi had no choice but to flee. As he was in Sanaa which is capital of Yemen. But after Houthis had overrun it, he must have had to flee to save his life. But Syrian capital Damascus have never fallen to rebels. So no question of fleeing of Assad. Assad is safe and secure. I can bet he would have fled if Damascus had fallen and he was not stupid enough to await for his execution.

4.       Houthis are popular only among Zaidi Shias not among Sunnis. So your claim that Houthis are popular is quite misleading. All Sunnis of Yemen (And they are majority by small margin) hate Houthi forces. It is quite natural for Saudi Arabia, a Sunni state, to intervene in favor of Sunnis and against Shia power grab in the same way Iran protected Assad regime and prevented Sunni power grab in Syria despite the fact that Sunnis are overwhelming majority in Syria and Assad is a staunch secular and anti-sharia person.

5.       I deeply feel sorry for the devastation caused by airstrikes whether in Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Gaza or elsewhere. It is utter hypocrisy to condemn bombing of one because that one you detest while supporting the bombing of the other ones who you support. If you cry about bombing in Yemen but are silent about unprecedented bombing and scorch earth policy by Russia and Syrian regime then it is double standard. The damage done in Syria is far more outweigh than that in Yemen.

6.       The opposition fighters of Syria are almost all are Syrian. Only so-called Islamic State group have large foreign fighters and there are small foreign fighters in Al-Qaida (Nusra). But all mainstream opposition are Syrians. Rather if you are not blinded then you would see how bankrupt the Syrian regime is! It is completely dependent upon foreign Hezbollah, Iraqi shia militias. Iranian IRGC soldiers and Shia Fatemeon Brigade from Afghanistan and Pakistan. In recent battle of Aleppo 70-80% of govt forces were from above mentioned foreign Shia groups. Assad is so unpopular that he is failing to recruit enough Syrian fighters. What a pity!

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Salam @Follower of Truth

1. A recent poll released shows that 55% of those polled said they supported Assad. There have been pro-Assad rallies quite frequently, just Google it. There were celebrations in Aleppo after the terrorists were killed, and people will try and rebuild their lives.

2. By genocidal, he meant locking up Alawi tell women in cagessence and calling for a new Umayyad "caliphate" in Syria.

3. Majority of Shia and Sunni Yemeni supported the Houthis. Yemen was an utter state of thieves. Water and food are scarce in Yemen. So is education.

4. Oh have you been to Sana'a recently? How was it?

5. By that logic we should stop the attack on Mosul, right? Even Assad has said that he can not control civilian casualties, there are bound to be some. What he does not do is indiscriminatly destroy your anything within a miles radius of a gun.

6. Hezbollah only really fought to protect Shia villages neat Lebanon according to their sources. There are some foreign militias there from my understanding. If the Pakistani army helped Iran against Sadam  (hypothetically) would you be saying "Iran relies 100% on Pakistani logistics," or would you praise them for helping fellow muslims?

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Salam @Follower of Truth

1. A recent poll released shows that 55% of those polled said they supported Assad. There have been pro-Assad rallies quite frequently, just Google it. There were celebrations in Aleppo after the terrorists were killed, and people will try and rebuild their lives.

2. By genocidal, he meant locking up Alawi tell women in cagessence and calling for a new Umayyad "caliphate" in Syria.

3. Majority of Shia and Sunni Yemeni supported the Houthis. Yemen was an utter state of thieves. Water and food are scarce in Yemen. So is education.

4. Oh have you been to Sana'a recently? How was it?

5. By that logic we should stop the attack on Mosul, right? Even Assad has said that he can not control civilian casualties, there are bound to be some. What he does not do is indiscriminatly destroy your anything within a miles radius of a gun.

6. Hezbollah only really fought to protect Shia villages neat Lebanon according to their sources. There are some foreign militias there from my understanding. If the Pakistani army helped Iran against Sadam  (hypothetically) would you be saying "Iran relies 100% on Pakistani logistics," or would you praise them for helping fellow muslims?

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10 minutes ago, Follower of Truth said:

Iran is giving them all kinds of support as far as possible

If Iran is so active in Bahrain, why hasn't this led to a full-out civil war then? Saudis funded the rebels and provided weapons to terrorist groups that not only want the govt to go down but want to establish a Wahhabi government that the Syrians themselves, even if they dislike Assad would not want. Are you seriously defending this decision? Arming Al Qaeda and ISIS?

11 minutes ago, Follower of Truth said:

If Saudi help towards Syrian opposition is so bad then why Iran is supporting and helping opposition in Bahrain?

Yes opposition that massacres Christians and Shias is very different to one that just attacks a government. And Saudi Arabia talks of democracy when helping Syrians, where is democracy in their country? They crushed protests that broke out in Shia areas of Saudi Arabia and they suppressed them, I suppose if Iran had been interested in escalating there, they would've tried to arm them and turn the country into the disaster Syria is in now, but they didn't. Iran may not be a Western democracy, its still WAY more democratic than Saudi Arabia.

14 minutes ago, Follower of Truth said:

2.       Its quite unclear what do you mean by genocidal words. I have seen so many videos and clips of protests. The protesters demanded overthrow of Assad regime. It seemed an ordinary anti govt protest like elsewhere of the world. If incidentally you come across one or two instances of so called ‘genocidal word’ then it must not be brought down as evidence to cast aspersion to this immensely popular protests.

Like I said Assad cracked down too hard on protests, and many many mistakes were made in the beginning of the war. That said though, there were armed elements within the protests, there are Syrians giving testimonies on this. Also, if you see here Saudis admit that the uprising which started in Daraa was armed.

Also, given the US role in trying to overthrow Syria from 2006 onward, this is hardly surprising. http://www.truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/33180-wikileaks-reveals-how-the-us-aggressively-pursued-regime-change-in-syria-igniting-a-bloodbath

By genocidal words I meant slogans saying; Christians to Beirut, Alawis to the tomb. I am not saying all the protests were genocidal, but really these protests were hijacked by these violent elements, and undoubtedly, had these elements taken over Syria, we would've seen the same dictatorship but where minorities would've been targeted. http://www.globalresearch.ca/daraa-2011-syrias-islamist-insurrection-in-disguise/5460547.

23 minutes ago, Follower of Truth said:

3.       The discussion of who is coward and who is brave (Assad and Hadi) should not be infiltrated in the discussion of Iran and Saudi’s role. By the way, your drawing conclusion is ludicrous and portrayal of lack of knowledge of the situation. Hadi had no choice but to flee. As he was in Sanaa which is capital of Yemen. But after Houthis had overrun it, he must have had to flee to save his life. But Syrian capital Damascus have never fallen to rebels. So no question of fleeing of Assad. Assad is safe and secure. I can bet he would have fled if Damascus had fallen and he was not stupid enough to await for his execution.

Damascus never fell, because Assad was very popular there, don't forget the large pro-government protests which happened there in 2011, with a 3 km long Syrian flag being carried by pro-government protests. No one focused on these protests, but they existed. There was even a BBC journalist who went to Syria and asked people in Damascus and they flat out accused BBC of lying about Syria and that they loved their president. Now you may say, he said it out of fear, but if you watch the video, he's very persistent, they could see their country was being toyed with through an imperialist plot.

 

28 minutes ago, Follower of Truth said:

All Sunnis of Yemen (And they are majority by small margin) hate Houthi forces.

And they like Saudi Arabia bombing their country to protect them? Lol, even Sunnis hate Wahhabi led kingdoms like Saudi Arabia, which are a gross misrepresentation of Islam. If they care about sunnis so much, why do they do nothing about Gaza? They are happy to have diplomatic relations with Israel under the table. Some hypocrisy right there. Iran supports Palestine, why? If Iran had sectarian intentions, it could've just abandoned Palestine and it would've lifted the sanctions Iran faces because of this support. Just because you're sunni doesn't mean you support Saudi and just because you're shia doesn't mean you support Iran, many Sunnis in Syria support their army over the extremists that want to wreck havoc in their country.

32 minutes ago, Follower of Truth said:

The damage done in Syria is far more outweigh than that in Yemen.

This isn't true. You look at death toll, of course Syria is much higher because of the length of the war and of those civilian deaths, how many are soldiers? How many are militants? There is no distinction made, they just seem to say 500,000 dead and people think its all civilians. In Yemen, there is literally a naval blockade and most of the country is on the verge of famine and starvation. So you're telling me that killing people slowly is better somehow less damaging than bombing?

34 minutes ago, Follower of Truth said:

I deeply feel sorry for the devastation caused by airstrikes whether in Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Gaza or elsewhere

Of course. This goes without saying. But there's devastation you're overlooking on the rebels side, and while this isn't reported, its real and those people matter too. And there are countless testimonies on YouTube of people being grateful for the army saving them from the so called "moderate rebels" the west supports. Its not a choice between Imam Hussein and Yazid here, its a choice between Syria being a secular dictatorship and it becoming a Libya or an Iraq, the dictatorship is not ideal, but its better than having a terrorist haven.

42 minutes ago, Follower of Truth said:

The opposition fighters of Syria are almost all are Syrian. Only so-called Islamic State group have large foreign fighters and there are small foreign fighters in Al-Qaida (Nusra). But all mainstream opposition are Syrians.

Well then you've ignored a large chunk of the opposition which is allied with Al Qaeda. Even if I was to accept a majority are Syrian, they are not fighters, they are terrorists. A rebel group considered moderate by the west beheaded a twelve year old Palestinian child. Does that sound moderate to you? https://consortiumnews.com/2016/07/21/us-backed-syrian-moderates-behead-12-year-old/. Jaysh al Islam leaders calling for Shia deaths, that's moderate?

If Assad is an unpopular as you say how is it that he holds 33% of the territory but 65% of Syrians live under his protection. Why is it that even polls advertised by Western Media show that he is more popular than all opposition combined. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda.

To the West, salafi terrorists that aren't ISIS and more recently Al Nusra are moderate. There is no tangible moderate rebel force on the ground that will allow democracy to flourish in Syria were Assad to step down today. There is the SDF and certain Kurdish forces that are viable opposition and there's also some other small factions. I hope that there can be dialogue between these forces for the future of Syria, for a true peaceful Syria, not one that other countries have planned for it. Look at what happened in Libya, how did those moderate forces that overthrew Gadaffi do? Now Libya is a lot worse and people are fleeing the country and drowning in the sea as they swim to Europe. At least they were fine in Libya under Gadaffi as long as they kept their mouth shut about the dictatorship. Supporting headchoppers who behead children and call for genocide is insanity. That doesn't mean I fail to see Assad's crimes, however, the alternative is to let these "moderate rebels" take over Syria, and no way no earth will I support that, even if it means I have to side with Assad at least against such opposition. I urge you to do some reading on this conflict, you seem to have swallowed a lot of misinformation. Assad may not be an angel by any means, but this conflict is not just about him, its about imperialist powers wanting to use Syria to turn it into a game and toy with people's lives for their personal agenda. You want proof, look at this email by Hillary Clinton; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44997.htm.

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1 hour ago, Follower of Truth said:

My thought is very different than you. Iran's role in Yemen and Saudi's role in Syria is exactly the same. What you stated above is direct result of personal bias in favor of Assad and hatred and prejudice against Saudi govt.

Do you support the Saudi govt?

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1 hour ago, Follower of Truth said:

My thought is very different than you. Iran's role in Yemen and Saudi's role in Syria is exactly the same. What you stated above is direct result of personal bias in favor of Assad and hatred and prejudice against Saudi govt.

Do you support the Saudi govt?

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^^ That said, he is right, so much of Palestine are sell-outs, Hamas, PLO, the Palestinian really lack leadership who will fight their cause like Hezbollah did for the Shias in South Lebanon, and if "muslims" had any loyalty whatsoever, this issue might've been solved long ago, but we have Saudi and Zionist puppets leading the Palestinians, as much we blame the West for a lot of the issues, this is a big problem, that we have muslims that are willing to sell their souls for wealth, materialism, power etc. 

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum.

Not one race or one type of people from a certain country is more important or significant than another.  We can look at who the mustad3feen are and I see shia Bahrains are in a huge prison.  I see Yemenis dying from starvation and they have no aid because wahabi scum have treated them horribly long before they were bombing them and destroying their homes.

As Hassanain says what about African countries, every year Somali experiences drought and the recent news of Boko Haram raiding villages in Nigeria and looting homes and taking food.

When we make du32 we say mo2mineen wal mo2imeenat, we make du32 and say kul, meaning every person. For example, ya Allah feed every hungry person, quench every thirsty person, clothe every undressed person.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah 

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