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Salam alaikom

I have been thinking about getting degrees in politics, religion inshallah in the future, along with hawza education online. However, I am in high school, and I know I do NOT want to send my kids here. So what Muslim countries, which speak Arabic or a Persian-related language, can I reasonably move too? I am considering Iran, Tajikistan, Oman, Iraq or Lebanon at the moment.

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Malaysia

Turkey

UAE

Oman

Central Asians and other Middle Eastern countries have red tape and security issues. It would not be a good idea to move to any of those places unless you have family links in whatever is "back home" to you.

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6 minutes ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Thanks @Marbles. I hear Malaysia is not so good for Shia though.

That's true. They don't tolerate public Shia religious practice under the influence of Saudi petrodollars.

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7 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

guys lets be honest with ourselves, despite their many faults, nothing beats living a middle class life somewhere in a western country

MANY faults

For example, Western schools have both genders doing gym together, dancing together is also part of thwhat curriculum

I am in the west, how in a gym class do I keep my head down the whole time? What about dancing together? How do I explain I am not allowed when there areally Muslims doing the same thing? 

I would prefer to live in a non Muslim country that values modesty SOMEWHAT then stay in the west.

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9 minutes ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

MANY faults

For example, Western schools have both genders doing gym together, dancing together is also part of thwhat curriculum

I am in the west, how in a gym class do I keep my head down the whole time? What about dancing together? How do I explain I am not allowed when there areally Muslims doing the same thing? 

I would prefer to live in a non Muslim country that values modesty SOMEWHAT then stay in the west.

Single gender schools exist bruv. I went to one myself lol

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25 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

guys lets be honest with ourselves, despite their many faults, nothing beats living a middle class life somewhere in a western country

I left that lifestyle and never looked back, Alhamd'Allah.  It's such an illusion and a distraction from real issues.  Never forget your roots and try to establish a home in your native country.

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1 hour ago, DigitalUmmah said:

guys lets be honest with ourselves, despite their many faults, nothing beats living a middle class life somewhere in a western country

How so? What is it that Western countries have that Oman, Brunei or Kuwait doesn't? 

In fact living in a Muslim country is better, because then you can observe your religion more freely without looking "weird" or "extremist".

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39 minutes ago, Laayla said:

I left that lifestyle and never looked back, Alhamd'Allah.  It's such an illusion and a distraction from real issues.  Never forget your roots and try to establish a home in your native country.

But I was born here, raised here, educated here, I work here, pay my taxes here, my passport is for here (shout out to all the single freshy ladies), all my family and friends are here, is this country not my native country? 

personally I believe you should live where its the best quality of life and safety and security for you and your loved ones. until you can tell me that a country is better or safer than England, I will stay here. I honestly couldn't care less about my roots. 

distractions are everywhere. its up to the individual, what distractions they follow. I have seen pics of guys gambling with cards in masjid nabawi so its not location that matters, you get me

4 minutes ago, E.L King said:

How so? What is it that Western countries have that Oman, Brunei or Kuwait doesn't? 

In fact living in a Muslim country is better, because then you can observe your religion more freely without looking "weird" or "extremist".

law, safety from sectarianism, socialism and a (generally) tolerant society. plus there's a reason everyone is desperate to live in a western country innit? dont you live in australia? would you ever choose to live in Iraq?

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@Mansur Bakhtiari Wow, you are like me. A student with some foresight into my future generation. I live in the US, and I have the same problems as you. I also wish to move to a country with more morals, so that my kids don't have to go through the same things I did and get assimilated into a western culture. I don't want the culture of my parents to disappear in their grandchildren, as they already are in their children (my siblings).I also wish to maybe get a minor in politics and go to study in Hawza in the future after I secure some savings. I would suggest you go to Pakistan, since I have family there, but you might not know Urdu, and there are Shia targeted killings in some places (thanks to Nawaz). There are probably other better places to go, but I'm not an expert on them. Sorry, I wish for the best. 

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1 hour ago, DigitalUmmah said:

guys lets be honest with ourselves, despite their many faults, nothing beats living a middle class life somewhere in a western country

Living in the West feels like a sin.

Living in the West feels like a strain.

Living in the West feels like a must.

Living in the West feels like a force.

Living in the West feels like a battlefield.

Living in the West feels like a struggle.

Living in the West feels like a bath of tears.

Living in the West feels like a test.

Living in the West feels like a lie.

Living in the West feels like a cry.

And they ask, we want to live the way you did.

By Allah, repeat my words for the ideal answer.

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6 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

But I was born here, raised here, educated here, I work here, pay my taxes here, my passport is for here (shout out to all the single freshy ladies), all my family and friends are here, is this country not my native country? 

I think that's pretty much the differentiation between the opinions that someone might hold towards the West. The ones that were born in the West (such as yourself and myself for example) tend to have a much more different opinion towards the West. Immigrants (or those not living in the West) naturally will not have that opinion because they will have a loyalty to where they immigrated from.

You can use religion, culture or anything else to denigrate the West if you want to find the faults in it but ultimately its just what your personal opinion is. 

Also, many people that have never visited or lived in the West speak negatively without knowing what they're talking about. 

To each their own ultimately.

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7 minutes ago, Kazemi said:

Living in the West feels like a sin.

Living in the West feels like a strain.

Living in the West feels like a must.

Living in the West feels like a force.

Living in the West feels like a battlefield.

Living in the West feels like a struggle.

Living in the West feels like a bath of tears.

Living in the West feels like a test.

Living in the West feels like a lie.

Living in the West feels like a cry.

And they ask, we want to live the way you did.

By Allah, repeat my words for the ideal answer.

Living in the west is chill as hell. dunno what youre talking about unless you made a typo and are talking about the west BANK

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10 minutes ago, Kazemi said:

Living in the West feels like a sin.

Living in the West feels like a strain.

Living in the West feels like a must.

Living in the West feels like a force.

Living in the West feels like a battlefield.

Living in the West feels like a struggle.

Living in the West feels like a bath of tears.

Living in the West feels like a test.

Living in the West feels like a lie.

Living in the West feels like a cry.

And they ask, we want to live the way you did.

By Allah, repeat my words for the ideal answer.

Ummm...strong words.

So where in the West do you live that you would develop such a negative opinion?

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1 minute ago, DigitalUmmah said:

Living in the west is chill as hell. dunno what youre talking about unless you made a typo and are talking about the west BANK

For I have my eyes and you have yours.

Experiences differ.

Tolerance differ.

Punishments differ.

Kindness differ.

People differ.

Faiths differ.

I live in the Low Countries.

A place of colour, not intended for me.

A place of history, not intended for me.

A place of diversity, not intended for me.

Who can tolerate me?

That is a question, which strikes my heart every time I look the people.

Yellow from the hair.

Blue from the eyes.

Red from the mouth.

But black from the inside.

Go figure my struggle, may this not happen to you. Surely Allah is a master in tests.

Jazak Allah Khair.

 

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17 minutes ago, Kazemi said:

For I have my eyes and you have yours.

Experiences differ.

Tolerance differ.

Punishments differ.

Kindness differ.

People differ.

Faiths differ.

I live in the Low Countries.

A place of colour, not intended for me.

A place of history, not intended for me.

A place of diversity, not intended for me.

Who can tolerate me?

That is a question, which strikes my heart every time I look the people.

Yellow from the hair.

Blue from the eyes.

Red from the mouth.

But black from the inside.

Go figure my struggle, may this not happen to you. Surely Allah is a master in tests.

Jazak Allah Khair.

 

I live in a country where I can get pizza 24 hours a day, and am completely free and protected as a shia to practice my faith. I win, dude! 

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On 3/9/2017 at 12:03 PM, DigitalUmmah said:

I live in a country where I can get pizza 24 hours a day, and am completely free and protected as a shia to practice my faith. I win, dude! 

When I try,

How I try,

Trying never establish.

When I beg,

How I beg,

Begging never establish.

When I am,

How I am,

I am among the oppressed.

When I consider,

How I consider,

Consider made me oppressed.

When I see,

How I see,

I see, declare me blind.

When I believe,

How I believe,

I believe, declare me blind.

Is there any companion other than Allah, the all-Forgiving, the all-Benevolent?

Pieces in my poems, all round you. Place them in an order. And see who set the last point.

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On 3/9/2017 at 12:14 PM, Kazemi said:

When I try,

How I try,

Trying never establish.

When I beg,

How I beg,

Begging never establish.

When I am,

How I am,

I am among the oppressed.

When I consider,

How I consider,

Consider made me oppressed.

When I see,

How I see,

I see, declare me blind.

When I believe,

How I believe,

I believe, declare me blind.

Is there any companion other than Allah, the all-Forgiving, the all-Benevolent?

Pieces in my poems, all round you. Place them in an order. And see who set the last point.

go live in a socialism based society bro. you never need to beg. free house, free education, free healthcare, free money every week. more kids you have? the more money you get. 

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On 3/9/2017 at 12:14 PM, Kazemi said:

When I try,

How I try,

Trying never establish.

When I beg,

How I beg,

Begging never establish.

When I am,

How I am,

I am among the oppressed.

When I consider,

How I consider,

Consider made me oppressed.

When I see,

How I see,

I see, declare me blind.

When I believe,

How I believe,

I believe, declare me blind.

Is there any companion other than Allah, the all-Forgiving, the all-Benevolent?

Pieces in my poems, all round you. Place them in an order. And see who set the last point.

wow dear brother, i feel exactly well perhaps not like you, but masha'Allah over your words, they are so deep. Brother,i too know whats it like in a non muslim country even though the fear of what might happen to a muslim like me in UAE, istill miss it, hoping for it to be the same.or else i dont know what else to do.

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59 minutes ago, alimr313 said:

@Mansur Bakhtiari Wow, you are like me. A student with some foresight into my future generation. I live in the US, and I have the same problems as you. I also wish to move to a country with more morals, so that my kids don't have to go through the same things I did and get assimilated into a western culture. I don't want the culture of my parents to disappear in their grandchildren, as they already are in their children (my siblings).I also wish to maybe get a minor in politics and go to study in Hawza in the future after I secure some savings. I would suggest you go to Pakistan, since I have family there, but you might not know Urdu, and there are Shia targeted killings in some places (thanks to Nawaz). There are probably other better places to go, but I'm not an expert on them. Sorry, I wish for the best. 

wow alimr, i feel the same way. when i went back to dubai i could wear more conversative clothes without feeling like an outsider so much.over here, i have to wear tight clothes,cuz other clothes may not match or i dont know what, in order to fit in and it sucks.

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Just now, DigitalUmmah said:

go live in a socialism based society bro. you never need to beg. free house, free education, free healthcare, free money every week. more kids you have? the more money you get. 

Indeed, a promise given,

That poems I delivered,

Was difficult,

To understand,

To imagine,

To comprehend,

To gasp,

Indeed, these are synonyms,

Yet, a task to look at it,

Oh you who believe,

Read my words,

So you can see what I see,

So you can know what I know,

So you can feel what I feel,

Seperate a poem from the other,

And the story has finished,

With an end unfinished,

Now look at the end of each line,

Indeed, a promise told.

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