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Assalamualikum

So i'm a new revert and i heard about that i should be a moqaled to someone probably an ayatullah. I'm really confused about that, so can really someone explain to me what does it mean by being a moqaled to an ayatoullah? 

I knew from here that some people follow ayatullah sistani and others follow ayatullah khamenei, on 

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You have to do taqlid to who you are satisfied with in terms of who is the most knowledgable.

The way you do that is by asking ahlul khibra.

Read more: 

https://www.al-islam.org/a-code-of-practice-for-muslims-in-the-west-ayatullah-sistani/taqlid-following-jurist

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The two most followed ayatollahs are Sayed Khamenei and Sayed Sistani. 

Q 25: What are the methods for selecting a marji‘ and obtaining his fatwās? 
A: Ijtihād of a marji‘ and that he is the most learned one is verified through examining him and becoming certain, even if due to publicity which makes one certain or confident, or the testimony of two just experts. The fatwā of a marji‘ could be obtained:
a) by hearing it from him, from two or one just person(s) or from a reliable person; or
b) by referring to his book on practical laws of Islam provided that there is no mistake in it. 

Edited by Hassan Y

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One of the ways you find the most knowledgeable is by asking ahlul khibra however their testimonies must give you satisfaction otherwise you must continue the research yourself in other ways like reading his books and asking some of his knowledgeable followers who are scholars about him. Also I recommend reading their biographies as this helps as well.

 

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3 hours ago, Al Hadi said:

One of the ways you find the most knowledgeable is by asking ahlul khibra however their testimonies must give you satisfaction otherwise you must continue the research yourself in other ways like reading his books and asking some of his knowledgeable followers who are scholars about him. Also I recommend reading their biographies as this helps as well.

 

That does not satisfy the conditions according to Sayyed Al-Sistani.

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10 hours ago, Fatimahlover said:

On what bases do you do that? And are there any books that would help me decide which one to follow? And are there anyone else other than these people?

Salam, 

Follow who you think is most learned. It comes down to judgment and guidance.
May Allah be with you.

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in terms of pure islamic knowledge (i.e. the main criteria) between sayeds Sistani and Khamenei, I don't think there is anyone on earth who can doubt that Sayed Sistani is quite clearly in an entirely different league to sayed khamenei, all we have to do is compare the length of time each has spent in formal hawza education. 

if other matters like political leadership, slightly more reformist fatwas and things like this matter, then follow Sayed Khamenei. if islamic knowledge and conservative traditionalist fatwas matter, than Sayed Sistani. its a no brainer. 

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55 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

in terms of pure islamic knowledge (i.e. the main criteria) between sayeds Sistani and Khamenei, I don't think there is anyone on earth who can doubt that Sayed Sistani is quite clearly in an entirely different league to sayed khamenei, all we have to do is compare the length of time each has spent in formal hawza education. 

if other matters like political leadership, slightly more reformist fatwas and things like this matter, then follow Sayed Khamenei. if islamic knowledge and conservative traditionalist fatwas matter, than Sayed Sistani. its a no brainer. 

Indeed, only someone without a brain would come to that conclusion. 

@Fatimahlover to gauge a scholar's worth you need to look at his thought production. In academia it's the number and quality of publications and citations to their publications. Same applies to to religious scholars. 

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2 minutes ago, beardedbaker said:

@Fatimahlover to gauge a scholar's worth you need to look at his thought production. In academia it's the number and quality of publications and citations to their publications. Same applies to to religious scholars. 

I think educational Lineage is also important, so for example you look at the teachers and peers of each marja. For Sayed Sistani, his teacher was Sayed al-Khoei. for Sayed Khamenei, his teacher was Sayed Khomeini. both of these Sayeds saw each respective marja (Sistani for Khoei and Khamanei for Khomeini) as the leader after them, Sayed sistani as the most knowledgeable, sayed khamenei as the most politically astute.

I suppose OP you need to ask yourself what does your belief say is more relevant in your day to day life? traditionalist conservatism, or revolutionary reformism?

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12 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

I think educational Lineage is also important, so for example you look at the teachers and peers of each marja. For Sayed Sistani, his teacher was Sayed al-Khoei. for Sayed Khamenei, his teacher was Sayed Khomeini. both of these Sayeds saw each respective marja (Sistani for Khoei and Khamanei for Khomeini) as the leader after them, Sayed sistani as the most knowledgeable, sayed khamenei as the most politically astute.

I suppose OP you need to ask yourself what does your belief say is more relevant in your day to day life? traditionalist conservatism, or revolutionary reformism?

A person's worth is based on his knowledge and the academic and socio-political legacy he leaves behind. 

@ OP most scholars today and in recent history are/were imitators and muqallids themselves. The few who have actually come up with something new can be counted using your two hands, a reason why our school is dead in the ideological sense. 

Not saying there's anything wrong with the respected individuals you've mentioned, and by all means, if after you've done your research and you arrive at the conclusion the one of them is worthy of emulating, then all the best to you. Just don't believe it's all rosy and there aren't more sinister agendas at play when someone is deemed a marja by the populace. 

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On 21/02/2017 at 10:18 AM, DigitalUmmah said:

in terms of pure islamic knowledge (i.e. the main criteria) between sayeds Sistani and Khamenei, I don't think there is anyone on earth who can doubt that Sayed Sistani is quite clearly in an entirely different league to sayed khamenei, all we have to do is compare the length of time each has spent in formal hawza education. 

if other matters like political leadership, slightly more reformist fatwas and things like this matter, then follow Sayed Khamenei. if islamic knowledge and conservative traditionalist fatwas matter, than Sayed Sistani. its a no brainer. 

Your criteria on the most knowledgeable marja is ridiculous. The length of time in a hawza is only one of many deciding factors of who is more knowledgeable, not the absolute factor. Your conclusion to Sayed Sistani being more knowledgable then Imam Khamanei is illogical, and indeed bias. Also, you as a laymen don't get to decide who is more knowledgeable, you should let the shiekhs decide that for you, and I can assure you most shiekhs (atleast where I live) say Imam Khamanei is the most knowledgeable. 

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@DigitalUmmah Also I want to add that even Ayatollah Hosseini Nassab, a marja and an extremely knowledgeable person was asked by a person on who the most knowledgable person is, and he the marja himself said "do taqleed on Imam Khamanei, he is the most knowledgeable". 

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On 2/21/2017 at 10:18 AM, DigitalUmmah said:

in terms of pure islamic knowledge (i.e. the main criteria) between sayeds Sistani and Khamenei, I don't think there is anyone on earth who can doubt that Sayed Sistani is quite clearly in an entirely different league to sayed khamenei, all we have to do is compare the length of time each has spent in formal hawza education. 

if other matters like political leadership, slightly more reformist fatwas and things like this matter, then follow Sayed Khamenei. if islamic knowledge and conservative traditionalist fatwas matter, than Sayed Sistani. its a no brainer. 

Brother DU I dont think its appropriate for you to be guiding people as to suitability of Marje since you dont believe in Marjiyat

It could be argued that some sectors within our Shia brethren have an inbuilt bias against Agha Khamenei due to his anti-blood letting stance

I am a Muqallid of Ayatullah Sistani but my heart is with WF

This isn't in way meant to be offensive to you.  

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On 2/19/2017 at 2:44 AM, E.L King said:

That does not satisfy the conditions according to Sayyed Al-Sistani.

Yes in a sense it does. It's called minsha al uqula'eeya. I believe it's masalah 9 paragraph 3 of vol 1 chapter of Taqleed of minhaj al saliheen. Basically reasons that are based on logic, that give  confidence. So something that isn't an example is I follow him cause his beard is whiter, see.

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On 3/18/2017 at 9:07 PM, Hassan- said:

@DigitalUmmah Also I want to add that even Ayatollah Hosseini Nassab, a marja and an extremely knowledgeable person was asked by a person on who the most knowledgable person is, and he the marja himself said "do taqleed on Imam Khamanei, he is the most knowledgeable". 

When was he asked subhanallah that's interesting. Was this before or after he announced his marjiyat? And what is the source?

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2 hours ago, Al Hadi said:

When was he asked subhanallah that's interesting. Was this before or after he announced his marjiyat? And what is the source?

This was after he became a marja', maybe 1 or 2 years after. One of my family members (I can't remember if it was my father or my brother) told me he heard the sayed say it to an individual. This makes it even more convincing to me that Imam Khamenei is the most intellectual marja' living today, because not a scholar but a marja' himself admitted it.

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On 10/3/2017 at 1:57 AM, Hassan- said:

This was after he became a marja', maybe 1 or 2 years after. One of my family members (I can't remember if it was my father or my brother) told me he heard the sayed say it to an individual. This makes it even more convincing to me that Imam Khamenei is the most intellectual marja' living today, because not a scholar but a marja' himself admitted it.

Sayed Mahmoud al Hashemi (ha) said this too but before he became a marja. But maybe it still counts cause a mujtahid doesn't do Taqleed so when they say he is the most knowledgeable they might mean aside from themselves. 

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Just my opinion but I feel that Ayat. Nassab (who is in Toronto, Canada) is a more practical option for those of us living in North America.

He is more knowledgable regarding life in the U.S. & Canada and thus able to offer a better opinion on matters specific to life over here. Add to that the fact that he is in Toronto thus making contact and communication with him a bit more realistic for those of us living in the U.S.

That being said I am in the taqlid of Ayat. Sistani currently but upon his passing I intend to follow Ayat. Nassab.

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18 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

Just my opinion but I feel that Ayat. Nassab (who is in Toronto, Canada) is a more practical option for those of us living in North America.

He is more knowledgable regarding life in the U.S. & Canada and thus able to offer a better opinion on matters specific to life over here. Add to that the fact that he is in Toronto thus making contact and communication with him a bit more realistic for those of us living in the U.S.

That being said I am in the taqlid of Ayat. Sistani currently but upon his passing I intend to follow Ayat. Nassab.

You are not wrong brother and I totally agree with you. People in the west can benefit from him in many things because he has a better understanding of the western world view than any other marja'.

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