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Assalamualikum

So i'm a new revert and i heard about that i should be a moqaled to someone probably an ayatullah. I'm really confused about that, so can really someone explain to me what does it mean by being a moqaled to an ayatoullah? 

I knew from here that some people follow ayatullah sistani and others follow ayatullah khamenei, on 

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You have to do taqlid to who you are satisfied with in terms of who is the most knowledgable.

The way you do that is by asking ahlul khibra.

Read more: 

https://www.al-islam.org/a-code-of-practice-for-muslims-in-the-west-ayatullah-sistani/taqlid-following-jurist

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The two most followed ayatollahs are Sayed Khamenei and Sayed Sistani. 

Q 25: What are the methods for selecting a marji‘ and obtaining his fatwās? 
A: Ijtihād of a marji‘ and that he is the most learned one is verified through examining him and becoming certain, even if due to publicity which makes one certain or confident, or the testimony of two just experts. The fatwā of a marji‘ could be obtained:
a) by hearing it from him, from two or one just person(s) or from a reliable person; or
b) by referring to his book on practical laws of Islam provided that there is no mistake in it. 

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One of the ways you find the most knowledgeable is by asking ahlul khibra however their testimonies must give you satisfaction otherwise you must continue the research yourself in other ways like reading his books and asking some of his knowledgeable followers who are scholars about him. Also I recommend reading their biographies as this helps as well.

 

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3 hours ago, Al Hadi said:

One of the ways you find the most knowledgeable is by asking ahlul khibra however their testimonies must give you satisfaction otherwise you must continue the research yourself in other ways like reading his books and asking some of his knowledgeable followers who are scholars about him. Also I recommend reading their biographies as this helps as well.

 

That does not satisfy the conditions according to Sayyed Al-Sistani.

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10 hours ago, Fatimahlover said:

On what bases do you do that? And are there any books that would help me decide which one to follow? And are there anyone else other than these people?

Salam, 

Follow who you think is most learned. It comes down to judgment and guidance.
May Allah be with you.

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in terms of pure islamic knowledge (i.e. the main criteria) between sayeds Sistani and Khamenei, I don't think there is anyone on earth who can doubt that Sayed Sistani is quite clearly in an entirely different league to sayed khamenei, all we have to do is compare the length of time each has spent in formal hawza education. 

if other matters like political leadership, slightly more reformist fatwas and things like this matter, then follow Sayed Khamenei. if islamic knowledge and conservative traditionalist fatwas matter, than Sayed Sistani. its a no brainer. 

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55 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

in terms of pure islamic knowledge (i.e. the main criteria) between sayeds Sistani and Khamenei, I don't think there is anyone on earth who can doubt that Sayed Sistani is quite clearly in an entirely different league to sayed khamenei, all we have to do is compare the length of time each has spent in formal hawza education. 

if other matters like political leadership, slightly more reformist fatwas and things like this matter, then follow Sayed Khamenei. if islamic knowledge and conservative traditionalist fatwas matter, than Sayed Sistani. its a no brainer. 

Indeed, only someone without a brain would come to that conclusion. 

@Fatimahlover to gauge a scholar's worth you need to look at his thought production. In academia it's the number and quality of publications and citations to their publications. Same applies to to religious scholars. 

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2 minutes ago, beardedbaker said:

@Fatimahlover to gauge a scholar's worth you need to look at his thought production. In academia it's the number and quality of publications and citations to their publications. Same applies to to religious scholars. 

I think educational Lineage is also important, so for example you look at the teachers and peers of each marja. For Sayed Sistani, his teacher was Sayed al-Khoei. for Sayed Khamenei, his teacher was Sayed Khomeini. both of these Sayeds saw each respective marja (Sistani for Khoei and Khamanei for Khomeini) as the leader after them, Sayed sistani as the most knowledgeable, sayed khamenei as the most politically astute.

I suppose OP you need to ask yourself what does your belief say is more relevant in your day to day life? traditionalist conservatism, or revolutionary reformism?

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12 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

I think educational Lineage is also important, so for example you look at the teachers and peers of each marja. For Sayed Sistani, his teacher was Sayed al-Khoei. for Sayed Khamenei, his teacher was Sayed Khomeini. both of these Sayeds saw each respective marja (Sistani for Khoei and Khamanei for Khomeini) as the leader after them, Sayed sistani as the most knowledgeable, sayed khamenei as the most politically astute.

I suppose OP you need to ask yourself what does your belief say is more relevant in your day to day life? traditionalist conservatism, or revolutionary reformism?

A person's worth is based on his knowledge and the academic and socio-political legacy he leaves behind. 

@ OP most scholars today and in recent history are/were imitators and muqallids themselves. The few who have actually come up with something new can be counted using your two hands, a reason why our school is dead in the ideological sense. 

Not saying there's anything wrong with the respected individuals you've mentioned, and by all means, if after you've done your research and you arrive at the conclusion the one of them is worthy of emulating, then all the best to you. Just don't believe it's all rosy and there aren't more sinister agendas at play when someone is deemed a marja by the populace. 

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On 21/02/2017 at 10:18 AM, DigitalUmmah said:

in terms of pure islamic knowledge (i.e. the main criteria) between sayeds Sistani and Khamenei, I don't think there is anyone on earth who can doubt that Sayed Sistani is quite clearly in an entirely different league to sayed khamenei, all we have to do is compare the length of time each has spent in formal hawza education. 

if other matters like political leadership, slightly more reformist fatwas and things like this matter, then follow Sayed Khamenei. if islamic knowledge and conservative traditionalist fatwas matter, than Sayed Sistani. its a no brainer. 

Your criteria on the most knowledgeable marja is ridiculous. The length of time in a hawza is only one of many deciding factors of who is more knowledgeable, not the absolute factor. Your conclusion to Sayed Sistani being more knowledgable then Imam Khamanei is illogical, and indeed bias. Also, you as a laymen don't get to decide who is more knowledgeable, you should let the shiekhs decide that for you, and I can assure you most shiekhs (atleast where I live) say Imam Khamanei is the most knowledgeable. 

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@DigitalUmmah Also I want to add that even Ayatollah Hosseini Nassab, a marja and an extremely knowledgeable person was asked by a person on who the most knowledgable person is, and he the marja himself said "do taqleed on Imam Khamanei, he is the most knowledgeable". 

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On 2/21/2017 at 10:18 AM, DigitalUmmah said:

in terms of pure islamic knowledge (i.e. the main criteria) between sayeds Sistani and Khamenei, I don't think there is anyone on earth who can doubt that Sayed Sistani is quite clearly in an entirely different league to sayed khamenei, all we have to do is compare the length of time each has spent in formal hawza education. 

if other matters like political leadership, slightly more reformist fatwas and things like this matter, then follow Sayed Khamenei. if islamic knowledge and conservative traditionalist fatwas matter, than Sayed Sistani. its a no brainer. 

Brother DU I dont think its appropriate for you to be guiding people as to suitability of Marje since you dont believe in Marjiyat

It could be argued that some sectors within our Shia brethren have an inbuilt bias against Agha Khamenei due to his anti-blood letting stance

I am a Muqallid of Ayatullah Sistani but my heart is with WF

This isn't in way meant to be offensive to you.  

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On 2/19/2017 at 2:44 AM, E.L King said:

That does not satisfy the conditions according to Sayyed Al-Sistani.

Yes in a sense it does. It's called minsha al uqula'eeya. I believe it's masalah 9 paragraph 3 of vol 1 chapter of Taqleed of minhaj al saliheen. Basically reasons that are based on logic, that give  confidence. So something that isn't an example is I follow him cause his beard is whiter, see.

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On 3/18/2017 at 9:07 PM, Hassan- said:

@DigitalUmmah Also I want to add that even Ayatollah Hosseini Nassab, a marja and an extremely knowledgeable person was asked by a person on who the most knowledgable person is, and he the marja himself said "do taqleed on Imam Khamanei, he is the most knowledgeable". 

When was he asked subhanallah that's interesting. Was this before or after he announced his marjiyat? And what is the source?

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2 hours ago, Al Hadi said:

When was he asked subhanallah that's interesting. Was this before or after he announced his marjiyat? And what is the source?

This was after he became a marja', maybe 1 or 2 years after. One of my family members (I can't remember if it was my father or my brother) told me he heard the sayed say it to an individual. This makes it even more convincing to me that Imam Khamenei is the most intellectual marja' living today, because not a scholar but a marja' himself admitted it.

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On 10/3/2017 at 1:57 AM, Hassan- said:

This was after he became a marja', maybe 1 or 2 years after. One of my family members (I can't remember if it was my father or my brother) told me he heard the sayed say it to an individual. This makes it even more convincing to me that Imam Khamenei is the most intellectual marja' living today, because not a scholar but a marja' himself admitted it.

Sayed Mahmoud al Hashemi (ha) said this too but before he became a marja. But maybe it still counts cause a mujtahid doesn't do Taqleed so when they say he is the most knowledgeable they might mean aside from themselves. 

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Just my opinion but I feel that Ayat. Nassab (who is in Toronto, Canada) is a more practical option for those of us living in North America.

He is more knowledgable regarding life in the U.S. & Canada and thus able to offer a better opinion on matters specific to life over here. Add to that the fact that he is in Toronto thus making contact and communication with him a bit more realistic for those of us living in the U.S.

That being said I am in the taqlid of Ayat. Sistani currently but upon his passing I intend to follow Ayat. Nassab.

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18 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

Just my opinion but I feel that Ayat. Nassab (who is in Toronto, Canada) is a more practical option for those of us living in North America.

He is more knowledgable regarding life in the U.S. & Canada and thus able to offer a better opinion on matters specific to life over here. Add to that the fact that he is in Toronto thus making contact and communication with him a bit more realistic for those of us living in the U.S.

That being said I am in the taqlid of Ayat. Sistani currently but upon his passing I intend to follow Ayat. Nassab.

You are not wrong brother and I totally agree with you. People in the west can benefit from him in many things because he has a better understanding of the western world view than any other marja'.

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      He is the God who raised among the people of Ammi (a people who did not know the reading and writing) a great prophet from the same people, to recite God's revelation to them, and purify them (from the ignorance of ignorance and ugly ethics), and the book of celibacy and wisdom In fact, before that, everyone was in a state of ignorance and misguidance. 
      The Holy Qur'an is used for the purpose of securing the divine commandment, the requirement of Islamic hijab, to achieve cultivation of the soul, purity, chastity, and purity. Verses like:  Let us convey the believers' eyes to the unworthy eyes and protect their bodies and their bodies, which is the best of their bodies and their purity.   Eye veil O my Apostle, tell the believing men to put their eyes in vain view.   قل للمؤمنات أضضضان من أبصارهن (نور; 31) Tell the messenger to the believing women to cover their eyes with an unwise look.   Hijab in speech Another type of hijab and cover of the Qur'an is the hijab of women's speech versus non-law:  Falla is a great deal of pain in your heart (parties; 32) So do not talk to men with thin, soft lips; lest you fall asleep (sickness and despair).   Behavioral Hijab Another type of hijab and cover of the Quran is the veil of women's behavior against the non-Islamic. It is instructed that women should not walk in ways that would attract unharmed attention by showing their ornaments.  And let our Lah al-Jahran be tempted to blow us away (Ibn. 31), and they should not foot to the ground to reveal the ankles and their hidden ornaments.
      Of the discussed topics, it is clearly used that the meaning of Islamic hijab is to cover and protect the coexistence of women with nonhuman men in different forms of behavior, such as how to cover, look, talk and walk. 
      Therefore, the veil and cover of a woman is also a constraint and an obstacle to nonhuman individuals who intend to infiltrate and capture the honor of others. There is also the same notion of banning and refusing the lexical roots of chastity;  Veil and chastity The two words "veil" and "chastity" are essentially the meaning of common denial and refusal. The difference between prohibiting and restraining hijab and chastity is the difference between appearance and inwardness; that is, the prohibition and inhibition in the veil is related to appearance, but the prohibition and inhibition in chastity is related to the inner and inner, because chastity is an internal state, However, given that the effect of appearance on the interior and the external impact on appearance is one of the general characteristics of man; therefore, between the veil and the apparent cover, and the chastity and inner restraint of man, is the effect and the mutual influence; so that whatever the veil and the covering The appearance and the better, this type of veil is more effective in enhancing and enhancing the inner and inner mood of chastity, and vice versa, the greater the inner and inner envy of the The veil will look better in the encounter with aliens.  Elderly Women's Hijab The Holy Quran has pointed to this impact in a subtle way. First, it allows elderly women to dress their clothes like a tent against a non-sanctuary without the intention of throwing themselves out, but ultimately says: "If they are sober, it even means clothes like tents." Not better.  And Al-Qawada'm Al-Nawa'ah Al-Naha'ah Al-Fayyid Allah Jinnah, the Prophet of Allah, the Exalted and the Most Merciful,
      In addition to the previous relationship, between the apparel cover and esoteric dignity, the relation between the sign and the sign holder is also; that is, the apparent hijab is a sign of a certain stage of esoteric dignity with the owner of the veil. Of course, this does not mean that every woman who wears a veil and a cover is necessarily of all levels of chastity.  Is hijab an obstacle to all social delinquency? Given this point of view, the answer to these forms and the doubts of those who, for the ineffectiveness of revealing the veil and the apparent cover, is to blame the offenses of some women with hijab, because the problem of these women, the weakness in the inner veil And the lack of strong faith and belief in the positive effects of hijab and apparent cover and has passed since the Islamic veil has a wide dimension, and one of its most important dimensions is the inner and inner veil of the person who faces sin and corruption , It enjoys inner convictions and faith; and, essentially, this veil of mind and ideology, as a foundation stone for other veils, including hijab and p It is apparent, because human thoughts and ideas form their behaviors. 
      Of course, just as hijab and overlays do not necessarily mean all chaos, chastity can not be imagined without observing the apparent cover. One can not deny a woman or a man who appears naked or half naked in public, because we said that the apparent cover is one of the signs and symbols of chastity, and between the amount of chastity and veil, the relationship of influence and affection There is mutual. Some consider the relationship of chastity and veil to be a kind of relationship between root and fruit; the veil, the fruit of chastity, and chastity are the roots of veil. Some people may have apparent veils, but they have not created extraneous chastity. This hijab is the only shell and appearance. On the other hand, people claim to be chastity, and they say, "I have a heart-warming heart, God works with hearts," they entertain themselves; such humans must, in their minds, have to point to the essential thing that is within the pure, external It will cleanse and never purify the heart, it will not induce the fruitless fruit of the wilderness.  See also: Hijab with Fatima Zahra  References: Interpretation books  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdaneshnameh.roshd.ir%2Fmavara%2Fmavara-index.php%3Fpage%3D%D8%AD%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%2B%D8%AF%D8%B1%2B%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A2%D9%86%26SSOReturnPage%3DCheck%26Rand%3D0&edit-text= http://daneshnameh.roshd.ir/mavara/mavara-index.php?page=حجاب+در+قرآن&SSOReturnPage=Check&Rand=0
    • السؤال: في علم الهندسة الوراثية يدعي بعض العلماء أن باستطاعتهم تحسين الجنس البشري بواسطة التأثير على الجينات وذلك بـ:
      ١. رفع القبح في الشكل. 
      ٢. وضع مواصفات جميلة بديلة. 
      ٣. كلا الأمرين معاً. 
      فهل يجوزللعلماء أن يفعلوا ذلك؟ وهل يحق للمسلم أن يمكن الأطباء من تحسين جيناته الوراثية؟ الجواب: إذا لم يكن له مضاعفات جانبيّة، فلا مانع منه في حدِّ ذاته.  https://www.sistani.org/arabic/qa/02115/ It seems to me, based on the fatwa above, human genetic engineering/editing for the sake of removing ugliness or increasing beauty is halal in and of itself. Also, I don't know if this is relevant, Sayyed Al-Hakeem says human cloning is halal.
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