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1 hour ago, David66 said:

Hello,

I heard a report on the radio claiming Kim Jong-nam had become more outspoken regarding North Korean politics and had even criticized Kim Jong-un.  If true, such activity is worse for your health than even a high cholesterol diet.

All the Best,

David

For once, I agree with you. It seems that people who run afoul of Kim Jong Un have short lives and die in spectacularly gruesome ways.

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Free Malaysia Today is reporting that:

1] Kim's body will not be released until a) an autopsy is completed, and b) when the body is positively identified.

2] A woman carrying a Vietnamese passport was arrested at KLIA (airport) and she matches the security video and was were the taxi driver said he had taken the two women. He was not otherwise involved.

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The South China Morning Post is reporting the 2nd woman is Sieta Aishah of Bantar (near Jaktara) lndonesia. Her "boy friend" has also been arrested.

0400ESTCBSNews is reporting that Malaysian officials do not believe, now, that these two women assassinated Kim Jong-nam.

 The lndependent is reporting that South Korea is saying that Kim Jong-un has a "standing order" to kill his brother; and that in 2012, Kim Jong-nam wrote his brother imploring him to lift this order.  ?????

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The South China Morning Post is reporting the 2nd woman is Sieta Aishah of Bantar (near Jaktara) lndonesia. Her "boy friend" has also been arrested.

0400ESTCBSNews is reporting that Malaysian officials do not believe, now, that these two women assassinated Kim Jong-nam.

 The lndependent is reporting that South Korea is saying that Kim Jong-un has a "standing order" to kill his brother; and that in 2012, Kim Jong-nam wrote his brother imploring him to lift this order.  ?????

MORE:

The 1st woman has the name "Doan Thi Huong" on her Vietnamese passport. She alleges she was asked by 4 men to "play a prank" on a passenger and left the airport and returned later alone.

http://www.victorharbortimes.com.au/story/4473852/second-woman-detained-over-death-of-kim-jong-nam/

al-Jazzera says the autopsy is being performed and DPRK officials are in the same building.

NOTE: Media reports say that Kim Jong-nam "criticized" the DPRK regime, BUT Jong-nam was/is known for scoffing about nearly everything.

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The autopsy was completed Wednesday, Malay time. lt is still not decided if the report will be released. [OpEd: Since Kim was not assassinated but essentially collapsed and died on the way to the hospital, the report will probably not be released to save the faces of a lot of run-at-the-mouths]

The name on Kim's passport was earlier reported as "Kim Chol" which is the same name as his FaceBook account. He used a squirrel, reportedly, in his picture space. He has a few prominent people listed as friends, and has other friends from France, Sweden, Russia and Singapore.  http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/kim-jong-nam-shared-his-likes-on-facebook/3525044.html 

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2nd autopsy will be done Friday as the first one was "inconclusive".

4th person arrest in the north of Malaysia, a North Korean

Nobody has "claim" Kim Jong-nam's body. And no one has provided DNA samples.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/n-korea-well-reject-malaysia-autopsy-of-kim-half-brother/2017/02/17/1d27dafe-f572-11e6-9fb1-2d8f3fc9c0ed_story.html?utm_term=.00c7175dc2d7 

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^^^^ news.com.au is reporting 19Feb17 that a senior police official, Abdul Samah Mat, said there is "no second autopsy".

Commentators are saying that Malaysia is strictly following all procedures to avoid any conflict with other countries.

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20Feb17

The DPRK ambassador to Malaysia has been summoned to the Malay Foreign Ministry to "explain" disparaging comments made about Malaysia.

4 North Koreans still sought.

The "Murder on CCTV" was acquired by Fiji news (Japan) and can be seen here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/20/kim-jong-nam-murder-japanese-network-releases-cctv-footage-assassination/ 

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A] Malaysia has recalled its Ambassador to DPRK, on Monday.

B} lt is very unIikeIy that Kim Jong-un had his half brother murdered.

Module 1: Reaction from "Diminishing Status"

from Ontario, http://maoistrebelnews.com/2013/12/15/what-really-happened-with-the-jang-song-thaek-purge/   ln the early 1990s with events singling out the DPRK, such as the "fall of socialism" in the West allowing the US to focus more on the DPRK, North Korea adopted the Songun defense policy of military build-up. Example, DPRK can put 55 thousand artillery shells per hour into Seoul. Since 2005 in particular, the Songun policy is being displaced by "more bang for the buck" nuclear devices and missiles. The 'savings' are seen going into consumer goods, Chinese tourism, amusements parks and so forth. General Jang was also an economic liaison with the PRC. Kim Jong-un's anti-corruption drive and change away from Songun "threatens" the monies corrupt officials were/are getting.

With this backdrop, Kim Jong-nam's murder is a "warning" against further 'deep purges'.

For other officials purged see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3080427/Brutally-executed-banished-disappeared-grim-fate-North-Korea-officials-purged-Kim-Jong-four-years-acted-pallbearers-father-s-funeral.html ; and http://38north.org/2013/12/amansourov120913/ 

Module 2:  Revenge and Malaysia

from Wikipedia, Kim Jong-un article, under "Purges and Executions",  Jang Song Thaek's family was eliminated down to the grandchildren, his son was Ambassador to Malaysia and Jang's family had many ties there-- (not Wiki-->) to include organized crime and Malaysian gov't and police personnel.

With this backdrop, Kim Jong-nam's murder  is "payback" by someone. Who?

USA "not involved": No reason for it.

The State Dept webpage states that US policy is the "peaceful reunification of Korea". This despite targeted sanctions and sponsoring UN Resolutions.

Plus, provoking the DPRK is not in US national interest. The DPRK's change away from Songun is reflected in the orbiting of a satellite with a Sohae missile on 12Dec12. Former Sec of Defense Ashton Carter's assessment can be found http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/north-korea-threatens-icbm-launch-blames-170108184012297.html 

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20Feb17 #3 post

DPRK Ambassador to Malaysia held an "impromptu news conference".

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2017/02/20/North-Korea-ambassador-says-Kim-Jong-Nam-died-of-natural-causes/9101487600403/ 

The names of the 4 men still sought are at the end of the article.

In the video:

Kim Jong Nam was traveling on a diplomatic passport.

The Ambassador accused South Korea of involvement @8 minute+

He also accused Malaysia of 'colluding' with South Korea @11minutes

He also objected to North Korean residents in Malaysia being subjected to raids without warrants.

Elsewhere: the PRC says it is monitoring events closely.

Added: 0900EST Al-Jazeera is reporting that 3 of the 4 sought suspects caught a flight to Dubai.

 

 

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21Feb -nothing new

22Feb17: CNN, Sam,ir Mohsen, reported that the Malaysian Intelligence Committee has ruled that Kim Jong Nam was murdered, a heart attack has been ruled out but the toxicology has not as yet been determined.

The 4 DPRK suspects are believed to be now in North Korea.

Kim Jong Nam is in-morgue under the name of his diplomatic passport, Kim Chol. No one is claiming the body or providing a DNA confirmation. Allegedly, Kim's family "is in hiding".

OpEd: Did some search/research on chemical assassinations. The delayed casualty effect seen in the CCTV is consistent with VX but not consistent with the prompt casualty effect of G-series neuro-toxins. Because a glove was used, the victim's death delayed, VX would sicken the assassin's if sprayed, VX or other organo-phosphate can be ruled out. Apparently, an organo-arsenic such as Lewsite can also be ruled out. If this class of organo-metallics was used, it maybe an organo-antimonic.

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In contrast to the above post, The Guardian is reporting that Malaysian police said the chemical used to murder Kim Jong-nam was "a VX agent". Whether "a type like or similar to" agent is meant is not clarified.

For a summary to date, see:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4252048/LOL-assassin-selfie-days-Kim-Jong-nam-killing.html 

The slide show is a pretty good summary.

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For a personality partial portrait of Kim Jong-nam, see: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/the-sad-life-and-even-sadder-end-of-kim-jong-nam/2017/02/24/7fb591fc-f941-11e6-aa1e-5f735ee31334_story.html 

This personable multilingual was kind of isolated. Wary in many circumstances.

Ignore those geographic assertions --excepting Geneva.

Elsewhere: The one alleged assassin was sickened by the chemical agent.

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The little runt has his feet in shoes bigger than himself. I believe he will not survive for long due to the evident power struggle within the regime which show its insecurities and weaknesses. My only fear is that in a moment of madness he might just send a nuke out of the skies. The Kims are mad enough to do that, regardless of what their apologists say.

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http://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/03/02/17/malaysia-to-deport-north-korean-man-arrested-over-airport-murder 

-lack of evidence, Ri Jong Ohol,46, didn't give rides and didn't know the assailants, his car was missing

-DPRK deputy chief of mission at the UN, Ri Tong lI said a sample of the alleged toxic agent should be sent to OPCW -Org for the Prohibition of Chem Weapons

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04March17

---Malaysia expels as persona non grata the DPRK Amb. to Malaysia for saying the autopsy on "Kim Chol" "cannot be trusted".  --several sources.

--Terror List: if the US, according to "diplomatic sources" places the DPRK back on the State Sponsors of Terrorism list. see -and attached very short video- ::

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/03/04/n-korea-threatens-retaliation-possible-us-terror-listing.html 

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Yesterday, North Korea said it was barring all Malaysians from leaving the country. Malaysia responded by barring all North Koreans from leaving the country. The two countries are holding each other’s citizens hostage over the murder of Kim Jong Nam. 

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12March17

It has been a month since the murder. Kim's body maybe buried inside Malaysia the Deputy PM said. Dismissal of the allegation that VX chemical warfare agent was used is continuing. [[Note: the same symptoms, times and then the continuous vomiting by Setti Ayisha is more consistent with a Halothane & Fentanyl(-or-more-likely-Carfentanil) binary assault. The Halothane explains the later vomiting. -ed.]]

For a partial summary of Malaysia's current Kim-killing "problems" see: http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2017/03/12/jong-nam-killing-leaves-malaysia-in-web-of-broader-geo-politics/ 

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12March17

It has been a month since the murder. Kim's body maybe buried inside Malaysia the Deputy PM said. Dismissal of the allegation that VX chemical warfare agent was used is continuing. [[Note: the same symptoms, times and then the continuous vomiting by Setti Ayisha is more consistent with a Halothane & Fentanyl(-or-more-likely-Carfentanil) binary assault. The Halothane explains the later vomiting. -ed.]]

For a partial summary of Malaysia's current Kim-killing "problems" see: http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2017/03/12/jong-nam-killing-leaves-malaysia-in-web-of-broader-geo-politics/ 

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05Oct17

On ‎2‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 3:24 PM, David66 said:

Hello,

I heard a report on the radio claiming Kim Jong-nam had become more outspoken regarding North Korean politics and had even criticized Kim Jong-un.  If true, such activity is worse for your health than even a high cholesterol diet.

All the Best,

David

The 04Oct17 PBS/WCET Frontline 2 said the same thing. Kim Jong-nam was in email correspondence with a Japanese reporter. The program did not indicate that that any of this was personalized towards Kim Jong-un.

The program also showed where Sieta Aisha had recorded her previous 20+ "pranks". According to the program, she said she never met Doan Thi Huong until the 13Feb assassination date. Both pleaded "not guilty" before the court on Tuesday the 3rd.

This is what l am still skeptical about:  http://www.newsobserver.com/news/article177134206.html   "The Latest: Chemist: VX could kill without affecting others",  an AP story. Which is BS. As the CDC and others back in February and March objected, it takes Iess than a drop for VX to be lethal. ***  As noted above, 18Feb, a second autopsy was necessary, 22Feb the toxicology and on 12March l posted a good mimickery of VX in time and in reactions. The Russians had used this in their Moscow theater siege years ago. Halothane in the spray bottle is consistent with Doan's vomiting in the restroom.

ln short, the testifying "chemist" is inconsistent in his testimony.

The program also said that Kim Jong-nam was a source of funds for the DPRK.

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