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12 hours ago, Islandsandmirrors said:


Not to be rude, but how is this relevant to the topic? Last time I checked, it was about debt, doctors receiving high pay checks in the US, benefits of the NHS as opposed to other systems, etc.

"France has the best healthcare" is rather vague tbh. As a non-French I have no idea what that statement means, and is frankly subjective. 

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Doctors in the US cannot overcharge you for an examination. They sign legal documents to charge what other physicians in that city or state are charging. A doctor who has specialty training can charge more because you need special treatment. So a physical exam might be $50 and if you see a specialist you might be charged $115. If you have a bazillion questions and your 15 minute exam delays the doctor and becomes a 30 minute exam, you will be charged extra. 

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Wow. As an American doctor I am really shocked by some of the posts in this thread. All this talk about doctors being 'overpaid'. Please don't pass judgement on the entire profession, if you have no idea of the hard work, training and day to day complexity that goes into having people's lives in your hands. I am a primary care doctor in the northeast and I make far less than that number cited by guerrilla above. In fact I'm sure there are pharmacists, businessmen and college professors that make more than me. Of course if it makes you feel better, 28% of my salary went to taxes last year. Student debt is huge as others have said, and it takes the average doctor 10 or more years to get out of it even with a six figure salary. Also Salary is dependent on location, demand, specialty and many other factors. The average radiologist or orthopedic surgeon makes 2-300K more than me. We are both doctors but his/her skill level is much higher than mine. So yeah. They should get paid more than me. That's the reality of the job. I really don't have any knowledge of how much docs in other countries get paid so I can't speak to that, but I would imagine if they have better healthcare systems then their work is probably much more streamlined; American doctors have so much more work, and the nature of our jobs is different thanks to all the headaches created by insurance companies- so I think we deserve to be compensated for that. It's like comparing apples and oranges guys . Totally unfair.  Do you know how many times a day I get phone calls from pharmacies saying the drug I prescribed is not covered by a patient's insurance company and can I prescribe something else? It leads to back and forth phone calls, paperwork and other hoops to jump through just to get one simple thing for my patient. And there are countless other examples. 

I agree the system is terrible and healthcare should be cheaper or free but I don't feel that doctor salaries are to blame. Now if you want to talk politics there are lots of physician groups like the AMA that for various different reasons have created obstacles for healthcare reform but that's a whole separate topic. 

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On 2/7/2017 at 7:41 PM, uponthesunnah said:

I don't believe in trickle-down economics. In that the wealthy should get paid so much and be left to help others from their wealth. I really think there needs to be a societal , whole-scale effort here.

It simply is not fair for working and middle class families [ofwhich my family has always  been, i come from a very poor family] to be expected to pay so much of their wealth into healthcare while doctors, big pharma et al rake in 200,300, 400k+. It's not acceptable.

I'm sorry but how is it 'not acceptable' for a surgeon for example to earn 3-400k?  The guy spent years in training, performs 8-12 hour long surgeries, to replace a human being's joint or transplant an organ and let's say he does that a few times a day, most days out of the year? I would say its unacceptable for him to be paid any less than that. I kind of resent The phrase 'raking in' which makes it sound like the money is coming for nothing when in reality they are providing a pretty major service to someone. Why am I even trying to prove that doctors work hard for their money?!


I don't want anyone to think I don't sympathize with the struggles of working class families, but you are almost implying that doctors are profiting off the overinflated cost of healthcare, when that is not really where most of our salary comes from. 

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