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8 hours ago, baradar_jackson said:

The New York Times will tear down Trump until the cows come home, but when a hard-core fascist rabbi in "Israel" dies, they write his hagiography. GW Bush's wars were criminal, but they will lobby for Libyan and Syrian wars all day. This mockery of principles, this self-imagined position of moral superiority is what makes them worthless.

They don't do it because they are liberal. They do it because they are Americans - and feel a need to morally support Israel's "right to exist." However misguided their notions of the Palestine-Israel issue might be, this doesn't flow from their liberalism. Nor does support for war.

This is analogous to those leftist rulers who are responsible for deaths and oppression of millions. People on the Left tirelessly emphasise that guys like Stalin and Pol Pot did not do what they did because of their Leftist politics, but because they were douchebags with twisted ideas.

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5 hours ago, Marbles said:

This is analogous to those leftist rulers who are responsible for deaths and oppression of millions. People on the Left tirelessly emphasise that guys like Stalin and Pol Pot did not do what they did because of their Leftist politics, but because they were douchebags with twisted ideas.

Without the intention to derail this topic, I think we should clarify that not all leftists agree each other. The "left" word is broad term. Any ideologies can be included or considered as left in so far as it promotes social justice and in line with egalitarian principles. In fact, the term had been exist way before Marx (during French Revolution). Therefore, contrary to popular belief, the 'left' term does not always refers to those who follows marxist-leninist ideology. Bolivar, John Steinbeck, even Hemingway, or even notable anarchists such as Goldman, Stirner, and Bakunin can be considered as leftist, but any folks with a right mind doesnt considered them as communists (marxist-leninist).

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7 hours ago, Murteza said:

In fact, the term had been exist way before Marx (during French Revolution). Therefore, contrary to popular belief, the 'left' term does not always refers to those who follows marxist-leninist ideology.

Agreed. It shows that restricting terms like like leftists and liberals to a small subset of people is unwise and problematic. As in the case of Left, all sorts of people and ideologies find shelter under the all-encompassing "liberal."

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On 1/11/2016 at 8:12 AM, Marbles said:

They don't do it because they are liberal. They do it because they are Americans - and feel a need to morally support Israel's "right to exist." However misguided their notions of the Palestine-Israel issue might be, this doesn't flow from their liberalism. Nor does support for war.

This is analogous to those leftist rulers who are responsible for deaths and oppression of millions. People on the Left tirelessly emphasise that guys like Stalin and Pol Pot did not do what they did because of their Leftist politics, but because they were douchebags with twisted ideas.

 

It has everything to do with them being liberal, bruh.

 

Firstly, I never said everyone from the left is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But there have been some very principled political leaders and movements from the left throughout history, particularly in Africa and Latin America. I haven't been living under a rock; I am aware of the individuals you mentioned.

 

I contest the notion that European liberals are somehow more enlightened, or more critical of Israel, than American liberals, although I concede they are less likely to support Syrian "rebels" (though even this is more due to their prejudice against all religions -- and thus, their inclination to support "secular" against "religious" forces). Nonetheless, you can read Der Spiegel or some other Euro-trash rag and probably not tell most of the material apart form New York Times or Huffington Post.

 

At the end of the day, liberals have accomplished what all other political alignments fail to do: they have overcome all cultural differences. They have created clones in every society whose ideology and "values" (lack thereof) are near-identical. Let's look at an example: the Daily Show was once hosted by a New York Jew. Now it's hosted by a South African man. What is the difference between before and after? Absolutely nothing. The same "humor," the same positions, the same smug attitude towards everything.

 

They're all the same, everywhere you go.

 

 

@LeftCoastMom

 

Forgot to mention.

 

Regarding the gayz and law.

 

Firstly, just because there is a law doesn't make the law just. The law may be flawed, or it may be fine in and of itself but it is perhaps being abused or twisted. Either way, determining the morality or immortality of something by pointing at a dusty old book... doesn't work unless you want to claim that this book has a divine source. If anyone thinks the constitution of these United States is divine in origin, I would personally take out a loan and pay for their lodging at a mental institution of their choice. Either that or challenge them to go up to the nearest black fellow and tell them: "You are three fourths of a person. But actually you're not a person; you just count as three fourths of a person so your owner can vote on your behalf."

 

In any case... you say that a person who refuses to make a gay wedding cake is not being denying his religious rights because he has a business and businesses can't discriminate and all that jazz. Well... firstly, he had a business before "gay" "marriage" became a thing. So it's not like he signed in blood: "I shant turn down the gays if they want me to make them a cake." This is a "controversy" which is only the result of a recent change in the law of the land. Once upon a glorious time, there was no such thing as "gay" "marriage," and so someone who makes wedding cakes would not have been obliged to make a cake for a "wedding" which was impossible.

 

But aside from that...

 

This is a diseased logic. And I say that simply because of the precedent it establishes. The precedent it establishes is: "you want to own a business, but you have certain principles which run contrary to some of the officially sanctioned, formally accepted principles which were never a part of the fabric of this nation but now we're saying it is because we were bored one day? Well screw you." In essence it says: you have to concede your values or surrender your business (or your desire to start a business). Period.

 

The reason this is a dangerous precedent is because it cripples anyone who has values which run counter to the values (or lack thereof) which are "officially" prevalent. Accepting something which in your heart you know is immoral, is now a precursor to truly entering society and participating in it in a meaningful way.

 

It's this kind of crud that makes me glad Muslims are so apathetic and indifferent in this country. The only ones that are "politically active" are losers who cheerlead for war in Syria (CAIR), or shrill annoying hijabis who go on "the Daily Show" as guests and completely misrepresent Muslims. Wanting to be involved in the political life in this country; pssh, you're better off driving a cab or mopping a bathroom floor.

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1 hour ago, baradar_jackson said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@LeftCoastMom

 

Forgot to mention.

 

Regarding the gayz and law.

 

Firstly, just because there is a law doesn't make the law just. The law may be flawed, or it may be fine in and of itself but it is perhaps being abused or twisted. Either way, determining the morality or immortality of something by pointing at a dusty old book... doesn't work unless you want to claim that this book has a divine source. If anyone thinks the constitution of these United States is divine in origin, I would personally take out a loan and pay for their lodging at a mental institution of their choice. Either that or challenge them to go up to the nearest black fellow and tell them: "You are three fourths of a person. But actually you're not a person; you just count as three fourths of a person so your owner can vote on your behalf."

 

In any case... you say that a person who refuses to make a gay wedding cake is not being denying his religious rights because he has a business and businesses can't discriminate and all that jazz. Well... firstly, he had a business before "gay" "marriage" became a thing. So it's not like he signed in blood: "I shant turn down the gays if they want me to make them a cake." This is a "controversy" which is only the result of a recent change in the law of the land. Once upon a glorious time, there was no such thing as "gay" "marriage," and so someone who makes wedding cakes would not have been obliged to make a cake for a "wedding" which was impossible.

 

But aside from that...

 

This is a diseased logic. And I say that simply because of the precedent it establishes. The precedent it establishes is: "you want to own a business, but you have certain principles which run contrary to some of the officially sanctioned, formally accepted principles which were never a part of the fabric of this nation but now we're saying it is because we were bored one day? Well screw you." In essence it says: you have to concede your values or surrender your business (or your desire to start a business). Period.

 

The reason this is a dangerous precedent is because it cripples anyone who has values which run counter to the values (or lack thereof) which are "officially" prevalent. Accepting something which in your heart you know is immoral, is now a precursor to truly entering society and participating in it in a meaningful way.

 

It's this kind of crud that makes me glad Muslims are so apathetic and indifferent in this country. The only ones that are "politically active" are losers who cheerlead for war in Syria (CAIR), or shrill annoying hijabis who go on "the Daily Show" as guests and completely misrepresent Muslims. Wanting to be involved in the political life in this country; pssh, you're better off driving a cab or mopping a bathroom floor.

The Constitution is not divine. This is a secular country based on secular laws. Since you choose to become a citizen here, I assume you accept that at least in theory. The Constitution has been amended from time to time to make it more equal and just. The idea that a black slave counts as "three-fifths of a person "is long gone.

You could also go up to said black people and tell them that the 1964 Civil Rights Act, that members of their ethnic group faced arrest at the lunch counter protests of Greensboro,NC in the early sixties... long before you were born...in order to get, is bunk and that business owners should be able to discriminate against them at will.

See how that flies.

Once upon a time there was no such thing as white business owners having to serve brown or black customers. Now there is a law. Laws change. Businesses comply or face consequences.  That's the way it is everywhere as far as I know. Again, in this country you have an out by running your business NOT as a place of " public accommodation" and forming a private co-op. Otherwise,you are subject to the public accommodation laws.

in the case of the bakers in both Oregon and Colorado , they plainly ran afoul of their states laws against discrimination due to sexual orientation ( not same sex marriage laws) which is why they lost their cases. Both states had added sexual orientation as a "protected class" to their statutes several years before the incidents. It made their newspapers. You would have to be living under a rock in either place to not be aware of it, but it wouldn't matter anyway...as I said, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Anecdotally, it probably didn't make much difference legally, but it didn't help the Colorado baker's case as far as the public was concerned that he would gladly make a wedding cake for the " marriage ceremony' of two dogs. Lol.

you don't have to accept anything in your heart that you know is immoral. But that's irrelevant. You DO have to decide if you can open a business and follow the laws of the land...or not.

My religion does not forbid drinking or pork, but I assume I cannot sell booze or bacon out of a  theoretical  neighborhood grocery store  in Saudi Arabia. 

Catholics don't officially practice artificial birth control, so you have to decide if you can be employed as a pharmacist and dispense it ,possibly to people you know to be Catholic, if you are Catholic in this country. 

In the US, you are free to worship as you choose, but your religious practice in regards to violating the rights of others is limited. You can't practice human sacrifice, you can't deny health care to your minor children because you only believe in faith healing,and you can't violate civil rights laws in places of public accommodation.

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Salam/Shalom/Peace Everyone,

I'm so frustrated that I came to Shiachat to vent lol.

For the life of me, I don't understand why some Christians support Trump. Sure Trump identifies as a Christian, but he does not obey Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors as oneself (Matthew 22:35-40; Luke 10:25-37) and love enemies (Matthew 5:43-48; Luke 6:27-37).

People can call themselves vegetarians all they want, but if they eat beef, they are not vegetarians! In the same way, people can identify as Christians all they want, but if they disobey Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors and enemies, are they really Christian??? Sigh :( Definitely there are Christians who are disobedient to Jesus. (Love by the way doesn't mean to not disagree with people. It means to care for, bless them, pray for them, and do good to them no matter what.) 

In my free time, I've been busy discussing politics with fellow Americans and I have to admit, I got too cheeky with one Trump supporter. I asked him if he was going to follow Trump's example and talk about me like how Trump talked about Megyn Kelly.

That reminds me of this Youtube: "If Guys Said What Donald Trump Says"

Anyways, one thing the Christian support of Donald Trump has shown is that Christians in the USA need a serious revival. Sadly, sexual immorality is rampant in Christian churches and some Christian Americans follow the idols of $ and fame more than following the Lord (Master) Jesus Christ. :( 

The following are some good articles concerning why Christians should not support Donald Trump's bid for presidency:

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/53495-why-evangelical-christians-should-not-support-donald-trump

http://www.astateherald.com/opinion/should-christians-vote-trump/article_6824f536-cc39-11e5-b051-afca639a4c37.html

http://www.tapwires.com/2016/02/21/so-youre-a-christian-and-voting-for-trump

While sadly these articles often fall on blind eyes (as opposed to deaf ears), if you have Christian friends who support Trump, please by all means share them, as well as quote Jesus and the Bible to them. If Christians ask what would Jesus do, they would know that Jesus didn't come to build walls; he broke the "wall of hostility" that divided Jews and Gentiles:  (I boldened some.)

 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,"

- Ephesians 2:11-15 (NIV)

If you have any questions or comments or other articles or Bible verses to share, please feel free to do so. As a Christian American, I apologize for the hatred against Muslims that Trump and his supporters have raised. While everyone here knows I enjoy discussing differences in beliefs and Scripture with Muslims, I want Muslims to immigrate to the USA and I love my Muslim neighbors just as much as I love my Christian and Atheist and Hindu and Jewish Orthodox and ? neighbors. Muslims have just as much right to freedom of religion, speech, assembly and so on as Christians do!!! I would rather die than allow their rights to be taken from them. After all, Jesus Christ made it clear to do to others as you would have them do to you (Luke 6:31).

Also, it makes me sad that so many Americans do not love our neighbor country, México. While teaching people what loving neighbors means, Jesus used "the Good Samaritan" parable (Luke 10:25-37). Even though Samaria is not a neighbor to the USA, México is. While I can't for the life of me understand why some Latinos are supporting Trump, I do know that Trump's insults to Mexicans have insulted many Latinos (including my husband and the Latinos in my family, though they are Ecuatorianos, not Mexicans). While definitely it's important to forgive, forgiveness does not mean electing a man to be president that makes our southern neighbor country to be our enemy. :(People from all over the world are neighbors in the USA, and Christians should love all of them, no matter their nationality, ethnicity, skin color, religion, and any other difference!!

Ok, rant over. I have to go to work now.

Peace and God bless you

 

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1 hour ago, Christianlady said:

Salam/Shalom/Peace Everyone,

I'm so frustrated that I came to Shiachat to vent lol.

For the life of me, I don't understand why some Christians support Trump. Sure Trump identifies as a Christian, but he does not obey Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors as oneself (Matthew 22:35-40; Luke 10:25-37) and love enemies (Matthew 5:43-48; Luke 6:27-37).

People can call themselves vegetarians all they want, but if they eat beef, they are not vegetarians! In the same way, people can identify as Christians all they want, but if they disobey Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors and enemies, are they really Christian??? Sigh :( Definitely there are Christians who are disobedient to Jesus. (Love by the way doesn't mean to not disagree with people. It means to care for, bless them, pray for them, and do good to them no matter what.) 

In my free time, I've been busy discussing politics with fellow Americans and I have to admit, I got too cheeky with one Trump supporter. I asked him if he was going to follow Trump's example and talk about me like how Trump talked about Megyn Kelly.

That reminds me of this Youtube: "If Guys Said What Donald Trump Says"

Anyways, one thing the Christian support of Donald Trump has shown is that Christians in the USA need a serious revival. Sadly, sexual immorality is rampant in Christian churches and some Christian Americans follow the idols of $ and fame more than following the Lord (Master) Jesus Christ. :( 

The following are some good articles concerning why Christians should not support Donald Trump's bid for presidency:

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/53495-why-evangelical-christians-should-not-support-donald-trump

http://www.astateherald.com/opinion/should-christians-vote-trump/article_6824f536-cc39-11e5-b051-afca639a4c37.html

http://www.tapwires.com/2016/02/21/so-youre-a-christian-and-voting-for-trump

While sadly these articles often fall on blind eyes (as opposed to deaf ears), if you have Christian friends who support Trump, please by all means share them, as well as quote Jesus and the Bible to them. If Christians ask what would Jesus do, they would know that Jesus didn't come to build walls; he broke the "wall of hostility" that divided Jews and Gentiles:  (I boldened some.)

 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,"

- Ephesians 2:11-15 (NIV)

If you have any questions or comments or other articles or Bible verses to share, please feel free to do so. As a Christian American, I apologize for the hatred against Muslims that Trump and his supporters have raised. While everyone here knows I enjoy discussing differences in beliefs and Scripture with Muslims, I want Muslims to immigrate to the USA and I love my Muslim neighbors just as much as I love my Christian and Atheist and Hindu and Jewish Orthodox and ? neighbors. Muslims have just as much right to freedom of religion, speech, assembly and so on as Christians do!!! I would rather die than allow their rights to be taken from them. After all, Jesus Christ made it clear to do to others as you would have them do to you (Luke 6:31).

Also, it makes me sad that so many Americans do not love our neighbor country, México. While teaching people what loving neighbors means, Jesus used "the Good Samaritan" parable (Luke 10:25-37). Even though Samaria is not a neighbor to the USA, México is. While I can't for the life of me understand why some Latinos are supporting Trump, I do know that Trump's insults to Mexicans have insulted many Latinos (including my husband and the Latinos in my family, though they are Ecuatorianos, not Mexicans). While definitely it's important to forgive, forgiveness does not mean electing a man to be president that makes our southern neighbor country to be our enemy. :(People from all over the world are neighbors in the USA, and Christians should love all of them, no matter their nationality, ethnicity, skin color, religion, and any other difference!!

Ok, rant over. I have to go to work now.

Peace and God bless you

 

There is a hadith which says "God gives to the people the leaders they deserve to get" meaning the leaders are only reflecting the people(or majority) and the many American Christians i have been reading (their comments) is full of hate and nazi like agendas against Muslims while fully supporting trump 

so its no surprise that they are getting such a leader , at the same time i actually wish for Trump to get into power, as bad as he is, i actually prefer him over Hillary or the others because they are all "love and compassion" on the surface but behind closed doors they would do more damage to Muslims in the middle east and support Israel against Palestine 

but with Trump he is stating exactly everything he is going to do, he is honest about his intentions and i can actually see him breaking away from the Zionist controlling lobby's in the US if he notices that they are causing problems to American tax payers , he also would support Israel, but he has mentioned before questions like "why do we(America) need to sponsor other countries by sending them large amounts of money" and instantly the thought to mind came Israel and that he might have been referring to them

i think he actually has at heart the best interest of Americans, and he would even go so far as cut some relations with Israel when he sees how much influence they have over American politics

so for that reason i actually prefer him to win, i can see him making those cuts and weakening the AIPAC lobby's hold over America 

if he blocks Muslims from going to America, so what? Muslims are taught to depend on God not on America or anyone else, so if they were to kick us all out of every country , we would put our trust in God and not be concerned 

heck even if they lined us all up to exterminate us like the Jews in Germany, i would not have any complaint because i know this death would be an honour, i died for truth and i trust upon God wholly and i am not going to miss out on anything here, God will compensate us for all of our loses 

i can see Trump causing problems for Israel not because he has anything against Israel, but because he has the interests of America at heart, and seeing that 3 billion goes to Israel for military aid, i can see him cutting that and his people supporting him for that because that does mean American tax dollars goes into America instead of that debunked stolen land of Palestine 

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My mind went immediately to these verses:

Matthew 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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Hi Christianlady 

I have visited USA seven times. In comparison with Sweden seemingly a very religious country. Churches everywhere with many visitors. My impression is that (unlike in Europe) a US president candidate that declares himself atheist has got no chance to win the race, so they all declares themself Christian. I do not believe Trump when he says he is. He must say, but his message has little to do with what Jesus wish from us. USA is a rich country with many poor citizens. Seeing to that all citizens can have a decent place to live, access to free medical care and education, should be obvious to all Christians. I believe this would make America great. 

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I'm not convinced that a majority of voting Republicans actually support Trump. I think the media is lying to us, trying to tell us what to think, and attempting to make it less obvious that the election is fake to stave off the impending revolution.

I'm also not convinced that anyone would prefer Hilary. Anyone. 

It's all such a farce.

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7 hours ago, andres said:

Hi Christianlady 

I have visited USA seven times. In comparison with Sweden seemingly a very religious country. Churches everywhere with many visitors. My impression is that (unlike in Europe) a US president candidate that declares himself atheist has got no chance to win the race, so they all declares themself Christian. I do not believe Trump when he says he is. He must say, but his message has little to do with what Jesus wish from us. USA is a rich country with many poor citizens. Seeing to that all citizens can have a decent place to live, access to free medical care and education, should be obvious to all Christians. I believe this would make America great. 

Too bad you aren't voting here.

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I was hoping that Trump would have gotten up by now and said, "Hey people, I was just kidding. It's a rich mans joke, you'll never get it"

Don't remember who/where the interview was but the guy asked Trump if he was a Christian, he said yes. The guy asks him to recite his favourate verse, and Trump utters some quote that vaguely resembles an OT verse it took scholars a couple days to find. Christian? Probably not.

Obama said he was Christian but has hinted to Islam more than once. I see it, understand it and I'm okay with that. Most are okay with that because they have no Islamic knowledge to associate with what Obama said. Obama specifically says he prays 5 times a day, Muslims smile, and Christians think that means he's a very devout Christian going beyond the call.

'mericans...

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1 hour ago, Son of Placid said:

I was hoping that Trump would have gotten up by now and said, "Hey people, I was just kidding. It's a rich mans joke, you'll never get it"

Don't remember who/where the interview was but the guy asked Trump if he was a Christian, he said yes. The guy asks him to recite his favourate verse, and Trump utters some quote that vaguely resembles an OT verse it took scholars a couple days to find. Christian? Probably not.

Obama said he was Christian but has hinted to Islam more than once. I see it, understand it and I'm okay with that. Most are okay with that because they have no Islamic knowledge to associate with what Obama said. Obama specifically says he prays 5 times a day, Muslims smile, and Christians think that means he's a very devout Christian going beyond the call.

'mericans...

He was joking about praying 5 times a day. Remember when he was still running for President in 2008? They were chastising him because of the church he went to. He prays to Jesus and refers to him as his lord and personal savior. Drinks alcohol. Drops missiles from drones like a pez dispenser. I'm not saying he's a devout Christian, but a Christian he is by his own testimony.

To the OP-

Regarding Trump and Christians, it's reflective of Protestant American Christianity. Particularly the Southern Evangelical crowd. It's a far cry from the teachings of Jesus according to the Bible. I wouldn't even classify it as religion at this point, but an ideology rooted in politics. Capitalism, neoconservatism, Zionism (it's not a bad word), ad in a bit of fear-mongering and bigotry, subtract his actual history and replace it with talking points... You've got yourself Donald Trump.

If you have any friends that support him, I recommend asking them what era are they wanting us to return to that we were greater than today. Make sure there are minorities present.

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1 hour ago, A175 said:

If you have any friends that support him, I recommend asking them what era are they wanting us to return to that we were greater than today. Make sure there are minorities present.

Sadly, two of my friends/family have recently become brainwashed and started voicing support for the Donald. That makes a total of 4 American people who I know who support him. That's scary because it has doubled this week and also I'd like to think my family and friends are more educated and intelligent than Donald supporters. 

Is this what it was like in Germany in the 30s?

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3 minutes ago, notme said:

Sadly, two of my friends/family have recently become brainwashed and started voicing support for the Donald. That makes a total of 4 American people who I know who support him. That's scary because it has doubled this week and also I'd like to think my family and friends are more educated and intelligent than Donald supporters. 

Is this what it was like in Germany in the 30s?

There are some striking similarities, no?

I recommend watching some of the interviews of his supporters. I mean it's hilarious until you realize that they are voting.:confused:

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23 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

I was hoping that Trump would have gotten up by now and said, "Hey people, I was just kidding. It's a rich mans joke, you'll never get it"

Don't remember who/where the interview was but the guy asked Trump if he was a Christian, he said yes. The guy asks him to recite his favourate verse, and Trump utters some quote that vaguely resembles an OT verse it took scholars a couple days to find. Christian? Probably not.

On the first thought...you and me both. @Christianlady makes three. I keep wanting to wake up and find it's an ego project practical joke gone awry.

on the second thought....that whole thing was a scream. When I heard it I was...whoa...nice miss there, dude. * facepalm* 

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I havent been watching the presidential run at all and don't know whats happening. However on   social networking websites there are many shias supporting trump . lol  what's the deal? Anyone want to summarize? lollll   I thought he hated us?

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He doesn't hate Muslims.  He's saying what he needs to say to get his party nomination.  I think many Muslims here are also fed up with the terrorist types trying to sneak in, and he's advocating for a temporary halt to immigration from Muslim countries until a system can be put in place to vet everyone trying to come.  Not entirely unreasonable.  But then he goes and says stuff like Muslims should wear identifying badges or soemthing like that.  

Also, they could just be trolling.

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    • وَإِذْ أَخَذَ اللَّهُ مِيثَاقَ النَّبِيِّينَ لَمَا آتَيْتُكُمْ مِنْ كِتَابٍ وَحِكْمَةٍ ثُمَّ جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ مُصَدِّقٌ لِمَا مَعَكُمْ لَتُؤْمِنُنَّ بِهِ وَلَتَنْصُرُنَّهُ ۚ قَالَ أَأَقْرَرْتُمْ وَأَخَذْتُمْ عَلَىٰ ذَٰلِكُمْ إِصْرِي ۖ قَالُوا أَقْرَرْنَا ۚ قَالَ فَاشْهَدُوا وَأَنَا مَعَكُمْ مِنَ الشَّاهِدِينَ {81} [Shakir 3:81] And when Allah made a covenant through the prophets: Certainly what I have given you of Book and wisdom-- then an messenger comes to you verifying that which is with you, you must believe in him, and you must aid him. He said: Do you affirm and accept My compact in this (matter)? They said: We do affirm. He said: Then bear witness, and I (too) am of the bearers of witness with you.
      [Pickthal 3:81] When Allah made (His) covenant with the prophets, (He said): Behold that which I have given you of the Scripture and knowledge. And afterward there will come unto you a messenger, confirming that which ye possess. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you) in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear ye witness. I will be a witness with you.
      [Yusufali 3:81] Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." ***** مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَٰكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا {40} [Shakir 33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.
      [Pickthal 33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
      [Yusufali 33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things. ***** Relevant part of the Verse: النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ ۖ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ ۗ } [Shakir 33:6] The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves, .....
      [Yusufali 33:6] The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, ....... [Yusufali 33:6] The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves,  ***** At Ghadir Khumm,  "Then the Messenger of Allah continued:  "Do I not have more right over the believers than what they have over themselves?"   People cried and answered:  "Yes, O' Messenger of God." Then followed the key sentence denoting the clear designation of 'Ali as the leader of the Muslim ummah.  The Prophet held up the hand of 'Ali and said:  "For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)." https://www.al-islam.org/ghadir/incident.htm At Ghadir Khum, Question was asked(33:6), Muslims Answered. Seal of the Prophets, and the Witness over ALL Prophets( 3:81). Mawla here means what?  Does this mean, Mawla only in delivering revelation? What does More right over the Believers( All Past Prophets and believers present at Ghadir Khumm). Now the question is: Lets see if the cal for Unity are real. Are the Muslims united or disunited. 1) Messenger, only in Delivering Revelation. Rest, only a human like us, others an have better judgement,  opinions in leadership,preserving Quran, etc.. 2) Messenger, but Book of Allahسُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى is sufficient for us 3) Mawla in All comprehensive and Complete sense. (Prophet/Messenger/Imam-Khaliftullah Vicegerent of Allah(awj) without limitation of time and space - All my affairs- as Islam is the same as our Nature, as its a Way of life not only a personal relationship with  Allah(awj).  Let's see what this Unity, talk is all about.
    • http://en.wikishia.net/view/Wadi_l-Salam_Cemetery One of the reasons to the importance of this cemetery is its proximity to Imam 'Ali's (a) holy shrine. In addition, it has been indicated and admired frequently in Shi'areferences. It appears the earliest hadith about it is one narrated by al-Kulayni (255/869 - 329/940-1), said to be from Imam 'Ali (a). Subsequent references have narrated this hadith numerously. In this hadith, Imam 'Ali (a), accompanied with one of his companions, goes to Wadi l-Salam and uttered: "No pious man passes away on any part of the earth unless his spirit is ordered to come to Wadi l-Salam. Here, is a part of Heaven."[8]  Al-Kulayni, al-Kafi, Vol.3, P.243
    • I think she knows that if she reports her father he would be arrested and maybe go to prison. This would be catastrophic for her mother and family.
    • Concept of Unity is linked to Leadership. Cause of disunity. Ghadir Khum. What was missing at Saqifa, Fadak, Battle of Jamal, Battle of Siffin, and at Karbala? The other side apparently, believed in Tawheed, Prophethood, Prayers, Zakat, Fasting, Hajj, Recitation of Quran…… Except for Recognition of the Vicegerent/Representative of Allah(awj). "O Apostle! Deliver what has been sent down to you from your Lord; and if you don't do it, you have not delivered His message (at all); and Allah will protect you from the people ..." (Qur'an 5:67) Our safety is of no concern to us. We will not stop unmasking the culprits, removing the veil of deceit from the faces of those whose teaching have and will undermine True Islam.  Or we have lost the Message of Karbala. Why would any human be offended if Evil is exposed? How is this undermining Unity? Have you ever heard of such talk, do not expose the Traitors, it's not good for the unity of the country. If someone is supporting the Oppressors, the Unjust , they should be asked, why in the world you would do that , your innate Nature does not even allows it. Have you ever seen or heard that the humans love the Murderer and the murdered, the Oppressor and the oppressed ? This is against Human Nature. Coexistence is not the same as Unity. We coexist with other Humans, business/life goes on. Under the Umbrella topic of Unity, lies the propagation of the Political Islam/islam of Shafiqa, Jamal, Siffin…Silence them( the Shia's) with unity talk, so we can continue playing with the religion
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