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I read somewhere (not sure if this is true or not) that not all land was stolen. Some of the land was actually traded for or bought.

Sort of, but not in any reasonable way, and a lot more of it was just usurped by "manifest destiny".

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I read somewhere (not sure if this is true or not) that not all land was stolen. Some of the land was actually traded for or bought.

Treaties were made which ceded some land so that settlers could live on it in exchange for much of the remaining land and other promises from the US government. Almost all of the treaties were violated by the United States, but they still have the force of federal law which is why reservations are still "sovereign" entities. Some land was bought or traded , but most was simply taken by settlers and the US government was unable or unwilling to stop them. In some cases, treaties were signed in good faith by natives but never ratified by the US...and their land was stolen. It's a complex situation, but what Notme says correct...manifest destiny and all that. Fortunately, the native population is recovering and some reservations are taking more of their traditional land into trust or consolidating their holdings when they have been fragmented, even buying back land from settlers. :-)

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Not voting for anyone is almost the same as voting because eventually the candidate you don't like the most could end up being the president, all because thanks to you for not voting.

 

I respectfully disagree. Listen, every person is different and we all have our own issues by which we judge the candidates. There are some issues we consider more important than others when deciding. I understand that. But if a candidate openly says that they support the state of Israel(which almost all candidates on both sides of the aisle do) during a presidential election campaign, I am sorry but I cannot support that candidate, because I as a Muslim feel very strongly about the Israel/Palestine issue as a lot of other Muslims probably would too. That is just one example. I feel that if someone truly thinks the issue is important and is a humanitarian, yet they still vote for the candidate out of hype, to me that is just giving approval and they are indirectly acknowledging and siding with the occupier.

 

And its not just the Israel/Palestine conflict, but there is so many more issues to be decided on than that. Abortion, Gay rights, Iran and foreign policy in general, the Economy. However most of those, if we look at the candidates positions, morally, as a Muslim especially, Do I want to vote for a candidate who is pro-abortion and pro-gay rights? Do I want to vote for a party who has destroyed whole nations like Syria, Iraq, and Libya? Do I want to support a party who supports Israeli genocide? Either side you look at, would you want to give your seal of approval and essential be responsible indirectly for the Haram acts the person you vote into office will do? I wouldn't.

 

That is the difference. When someone who voted for Obama comes up to me and talks about the Israel/Palestine conflict, or Gay Marriage, or whatever issue, I will just look at them and say: "I am not the one that voted him into office" :)

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Not voting for anyone is almost the same as voting because eventually the candidate you don't like the most could end up being the president, all because thanks to you for not voting.

 

And vote in the Primaries, also. Otherwise, the more "extreme" people wind up as the 'choice' at the General Election.

 

Register folks.

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I expect Donald Trump will win the election and become president. The majority of Americans do not want another Bush or Clinton, and anti-socialist sentiment is too common for Sanders to win a general election.

The people who want Trump are largely White middleclass, the voters who will matter in the swingstates and make the final decision who becomes president. They have flocked to Trump because he promises to close the Mexican border, deport the illegals, and place large tariffs on Asian imports. He's pleasing to the Evangelicals and Islamophobes because he's promising to protect Christians abroad, he's promising to review the Obama-Iran deal, and he's promising to seize IS oil and gas assets in Iraq & Syria.

 

Closing the border with Mexico is appealing because it would end the flow of many drugs into the United States (and Canada), and the flow of weapons into Mexico. Without drugs to sell most gangs would evaporate along with the carnage they inflict. Without drugs to buy many addicts could get their lives on track and stop commiting theft, burglaries, and going into prostitution and pornography to pay for their drug habit. Most prisoners in the US are in for drug crimes, and so there would be far less people in prison and they could return to their families where they are needed. Mexico would benefit also because their massive drug cartels would be weakened and state authority could move into the places they rule. Mexico suffers an immense death toll yearly from its feuding drug cartels. The border certainly should be closed and entry should be strictly controlled.

 

Deporting the illegal immigrants in the US is appealing to the blue collar, American working class because it would open plenty of jobs for them. Businesses hire illegal aliens because they're cheaper than hiring American citizens. Finally these jobs will have to hire Americans and for better wages.

 

Putting large tariffs on Asian imports would result in the return of American manufacturing and heavy industry. By resurrecting Made-In-America, the United States would be absolutely swollen with jobs. It would reverse the current trade balance and the US, already the world's top economy, would be soaring over the other powers.

 

Trump is able to promise all of these things because he is rich, and because he is rich he can't be bought. The American people understand this, and that's why they'll be behind him all the way into the Oval Office.

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This is an interview of Trump by Palin. Must say that I am impressed by the way she has improved over the previous few years. Contrast it with the next video of her, during her own run (4.25). Obviously not a fan of either of them, but interesting nevertheless. 

 

 

 

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I expect Donald Trump will win the election and become president. The majority of Americans do not want another Bush or Clinton, and anti-socialist sentiment is too common for Sanders to win a general election.

The people who want Trump are largely White middleclass, the voters who will matter in the swingstates and make the final decision who becomes president. They have flocked to Trump because he promises to close the Mexican border, deport the illegals, and place large tariffs on Asian imports. He's pleasing to the Evangelicals and Islamophobes because he's promising to protect Christians abroad, he's promising to review the Obama-Iran deal, and he's promising to seize IS oil and gas assets in Iraq & Syria.

 

Closing the border with Mexico is appealing because it would end the flow of many drugs into the United States (and Canada), and the flow of weapons into Mexico. Without drugs to sell most gangs would evaporate along with the carnage they inflict. Without drugs to buy many addicts could get their lives on track and stop commiting theft, burglaries, and going into prostitution and pornography to pay for their drug habit. Most prisoners in the US are in for drug crimes, and so there would be far less people in prison and they could return to their families where they are needed. Mexico would benefit also because their massive drug cartels would be weakened and state authority could move into the places they rule. Mexico suffers an immense death toll yearly from its feuding drug cartels. The border certainly should be closed and entry should be strictly controlled.

 

Deporting the illegal immigrants in the US is appealing to the blue collar, American working class because it would open plenty of jobs for them. Businesses hire illegal aliens because they're cheaper than hiring American citizens. Finally these jobs will have to hire Americans and for better wages.

 

Putting large tariffs on Asian imports would result in the return of American manufacturing and heavy industry. By resurrecting Made-In-America, the United States would be absolutely swollen with jobs. It would reverse the current trade balance and the US, already the world's top economy, would be soaring over the other powers.

 

Trump is able to promise all of these things because he is rich, and because he is rich he can't be bought. The American people understand this, and that's why they'll be behind him all the way into the Oval Office.

Well, maybe. People are tired of dynasties (can't wait for the Kennedys to get back in...lol) but not sure they will go for Trump. Too many people, of all groups and parties , have a bad taste in their mouth regarding the uber-wealthy after the bailouts and melt-downs. Plenty of very rich people who were " too rich to be bought" ( remember Mitt?) have been trounced at the polls.

" Being bought" is not just about money, it's about power and alliances. That's why there will be a lot of rhetoric, but borders won't be closed ( not really). It isn't the average small businessmen that drives the undocumented worker labor market . It's the giant corporations and agribusinesses whose owners are richer than Trump and even more influential and powerful. He won't cross them. They will let him talk all he wants, pretend to support him or remain silent, give him money with an " understanding" ,etc. If elected, they will let him get away with a few show raids to appease the hoi polloi, but he had better not interfere with the buses they send to pick up the undocumented at the corners to work in their factories. These disposable people keep their profit margin high and Trump will do nothing about that. The agribusinesses that can't move will pour their considerable resources into fighting any effort to interfere with their bottom line. The businesses that can move out of the US will pick up and do so in search of another population to exploit.

The jobs that require some level of skill, the traditional blue collar jobs, are already long gone overseas and it will be difficult to get them back as long as they have an entire planet to search for workers. That's something else the politicians of both parties failed to prevent or punish. Interestingly enough, there was an experiment run down in SoCal about a few years back where a farmer decided not to hire any undocumented workers for the harvest, but openly offered the jobs at regular pay to American citizens . No one showed up and he had a crop to get in. So the undocumented got the jobs.

The Evangelicals are a shrinking minority losing in power by the day. Their movement stagnated years ago. The young adults in every group are NOT going to anyone's church/synagogue/whatever in growing numbers. America is becoming post-religion. There will always be pockets of the nation where religion is important, but in general the demographics don't look good for Christians of any stripe, except possibly for the moment the Latino Catholics, many of whom ,except the Cubans, won't vote Republican because of the border issue. He's not going to protect Christians or get IS oil abroad because he can't without another war. The American people are tired of war. The young people, who have to fight it, especially are. The only thing keeping that damped down is an all-volunteer military. Any talk of conscription to fill the ranks will jolt them out if their relative complacency tout suite.

"White, middle class "is also a shrinking demographic. The " white" because of the birth rate of minorities and the " middle class" because that category is fast becoming toast due to the policies of both parties, but a lot due to Republicans. The next generation has a nihilistic vision of the future due to high college debt, a service economy ( no longer a manufacturing economy) with jobs not sufficient to pay that debt, much less to buy a house, etc. to build an economic future upon, and very little chance of having the lifestyle their parents had. The white middle class will have some punch for a few more election cycles until the older white middle classers die off ( especially the males). After that, you'd better be brown or mixed like our current President or a white incredibly astute in minority/majority politics, speak Spanish and a scad of other languages fluently, know your way around multiple complex cultures without saying something completely stupid ( Ted Cruz at the Eastern Church leaders meeting),be willing to dump things like AIPAC and realize we have to stop propping up [Edited Out]py regimes for our own gain, and drive a solar-powered car. I'm looking forward to it.

Putting huge tariffs on Asian imports ....well, could work in theory,but there are a lot of issues with that, not the least of which is that prices in the US would likely shoot up. The economies are intertwined. Even American businesses would lose access to cheap parts and shred their profit margin. But, mostly, the rich American owners of Asian-based American multi-national businesses do not want to go through the trouble of relocating back to the land where they have to treat workers like actual human beings and will not let their golfing buddy Trump misbehave too much ( see above).That's why it's not done. Other reasons: the Chinese could retaliate and they have more stamina to win a trade war, they will call in their loans, they will flood other markets and shut the US out.

So....I'm thinking Hillary will be the next Prez. even though I want Sanders and this depresses me. Unlike some of my friends, I will vote even if my favored candidate doesn't get the nod. Sanders won't split the vote and run as an independent. Hillary is a massive sell-out but she is smart and experienced. She'll shred Trump in any debate and can run circles around him in policy. She'll outshine him as a credible candidate in any venue for the average thinking person. Just my two cents.

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Illegal immigration is more of a blessing for the republicans than a curse, the US economy would literally collapse in 3 seconds if it wasn't for them.

You really think the US government, republican or otherwise couldn't put a stop to illegal immigration in pretty quick time if it really wanted to?

This is true. They could make it much harder to get into this country at any time. The corporations / agribusinesses who exploit the undocumented want them here....and those corporations/agribusinesses buy politicians. They let them pop off at the mouth all they want during elections with anti-immigration rhetoric ( if elected, it serves the corporations purposes of keeping the undocumented from getting more rights)but they'd better not interfere with the steady supply of cheap labor.

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As if you needed another reason, and it's not as if he has a good chance anyway. 

 

But this is particularly disturbing, coming from a presidential candidate. 

 

The full story is here...

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/17/politics/donald-trump-obama-muslim-new-hampshire/

 

Cnn is trying to make main issue of the comments about Obama, but it is even more than that. 

Here is a portion of the exchange between Donald Trump and a genocidal anti muslim zealot 

at his rally. 

 

"We have a problem in this country. It's called Muslims," an unidentified man who spoke at a question-and-answer town hall event in Rochester, New Hampshire asked the mogul at a rally Thursday night. "You know our current president is one. You know he's not even an American."

A seemingly bewildered Trump interrupted the man, chuckling, "We need this question. This is the first question."

"Anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us," the man, wearing a "Trump" T-shirt, continued. "That's my question: When can we get rid of them?"

"We're going to be looking at a lot of different things," Trump replied. "You know, a lot of people are saying that and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening. We're going to be looking at that and many other things."

 

Hello Abu Hadl,

 

I personally don’t believe any Christian should vote for Trump either. It makes me sad how he demonizes people. :(

 

It makes me sad as well how the Republican party and the Democrat party demonize each other.  It has divided our nation and while thank God, people don’t kill each other over it, the division has encouraged people to be hateful to each other and to not even try to care for other people on the other side. :(

 

In Israel around 2,000 years ago, Jesus Christ shared a very important truth: (I boldened some and put Jesus’ words in red.)

 

Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand.” - Matthew 12:25 (ESV)

 

That is so true. People who hate other people in their community and divide into vicious groups against each other for whatever difference are really just destroying themselves, little by little. :(

 

Sadly, Donald Trump feeds off the hatred that some Americans have for other people. My husband, who had some issues with his immigration papers, would have been kicked out without mercy if Donald Trump were President. I am so thankful that he was not kicked out and that my parents, who love him and me, sponsored my husband. :) My husband has no desire to return to his native country of Ecuador. He loves the USA and he believes the USA has more opportunities nowadays than Latin American countries do. Many Latinos believe that, which is why they immigrate, either legally and illegally, to the USA. Most people who immigrate illegally do so because they cannot afford the cost and the wait that all the yucky red tape entails.

 

When I lived in Texas, a dear Mexican American friend prayed in a small church that God would protect a relative who was illegally crossing el Río at that moment. A Mexican American border control guard who was off duty put his hands over his ears when he heard her prayer. We all knew he was not going to even try to stop her relative from crossing.

 

Many awesome Americans were illegal immigrants. I have good friends who were illegal immigrants and who have had their cases represented by kind lawyers, thank God! The immigration system is sadly broken and needs fixed. Everyone who has loved ones who have suffered due to the broken immigration system knows that.

 

Most Latinos won’t vote for Donald Trump. My husband thinks he is amusing to watch though. :) We watched the second Republican debate and we joked that he even made Jeb Bush look good lol. (We don’t support Jeb Bush but we do like that he stood up for his Mexican-American wife!) We also agreed with Marco Rubio’s statements concerning speaking in Spanish. Our Cuban American friends support him; his story is inspiring. My husband and I speak Spanish at home and we have no issue with people speaking any language they so desire.

 

Anyways, as for me personally, I don’t even know if I will vote. I personally believe what Jesus Christ says concerning what is going on in the world before he returns (Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21). I believe that will happen regardless of any vote. One of my Atheist friends says that this makes the world worse because it brings negativism instead of optimism. While I understand that perspective and the idea of self-fulfilling prophecies, I do believe there’s a much greater spiritual struggle going on here than just what meets the physical eye.

 

Jesus Christ, who I love with my whole being, said the following, which I see happening:

 

And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another.  And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.  And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.  But the one who endures to the end will be saved.  And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. – Matthew 24:10-14 (ESV)

 

While Jesus’ followers throughout the centuries have believed Jesus’ return is near, it hasn’t been till modern technology was invented that the gospel could be "proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations." That’s why I personally believe the end will come soon (though I have no idea when exactly… only the Father knows.)

 

Jesus Christ however gives his followers very important advice:

 

 “But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap.  For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth.  But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

 

And every day he was teaching in the temple, but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet.  And early in the morning all the people came to him in the temple to hear him. – Matthew 24:34-38 (ESV)

 

Jesus Christ is coming, though when we don’t know. However, Christians should be focusing on preparing for Jesus’ return and obeying his commands to love neighbors as oneself and love enemies as we wait for him! :)

 

So anyways, I agree that Muslims should not vote for Trump, and I believe Christians shouldn't vote for him either.

 

Peace and God bless you

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Wealthy Muslims helped Donald Trump build his empire

 

Well-paying tenants

Qatar Airways: The state-owned flag carrier of Qatar, a constitutional monarchy ruled by Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, has had a “corporate campus” in the Trump Tower on 5th Avenue in Manhattan since at least 2008. While details of the Qatar Airways lease were not immediately available, offices for rent in the building start at about $19,000 a month and can go above $100,000 a month. Qatar considers Islam the official religion and Sharia law the principal source of its legislation.

Saudi princes: Prince Mutaib bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, a former minister in the Saudi government, and member of the Saudi royal family, reportedly lives in a floor-through Trump Tower apartment. Other former Trump property tenants include Prince Nawaf bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud, a Saudi royal family member who owned a 10,500 sq. foot (975 sq. meter) condo at the Heritage at Trump Place that went on sale this year for $48.5 million.

 

 

Prince Alwaleed’s buyouts

When Trump’s businesses empire crumbled in the 1990s, the high profile Saudi prince, known for investments from Citigroup to Hyundai, agreed to take majority control of New York’s Plaza hotel, giving Trump “more breathing room with bank creditors,” as The New York Times wrote in 1995. Four years earlier, Alwaleed purchased Trump’s nearly 300 foot yacht for $18 million as his Atlantic City casinos struggled.

 

 

Growing Middle East business

Earlier this year Bloomberg assessed Trump’s wealth at $2.9 billion, based mostly on the value of his real estate properties. But the Trump Organization’s profits are more dependent on “the parts of his company that slap his name on other people’s things,” as an in-depth article explained in September.

 

Trump International Golf Club: A club that Trump promises will exceed “all expectations” is at the center of a new real estate development called “Akoya” by DAMAC, a Dubai real estate development club. “It is great to be working with Damac Properties. Our ethos regarding quality is in sync,” Trump said when the deal was announced in May of 2014.

 

Trump Home: Dubai’s Landmark Group, which owns the Lifestyle retail chain, partnered this year with Trump Home, to sell Trump Home branded products to “the region’s style conscious consumer” who want “premium” brands. There are dozens of Lifestyle stores in Kuwait, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. Update: On Dec. 9, the CEO of the Lifestyle chain, Sachin Mundhwa, said the company would pull all Trump Home products from their stores in the Middle East.

 

http://qz.com/568178/donald-trump-owes-much-of-his-fortune-to-wea/

 

This year is super ironic.

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Well, the entire world do not consider these Gulf puppets as Muslims.... and Trump doesn't either. They are the 'slaves' who are owned by ppl like Trump. Lets say if tomorrow there was a ban on Muslims entry in the US, the masters will find ways to allow the slaves entry, like Wahabi and terrorist sponsors of Gulf or other slave states.

 

 

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If you draw parallels with the Jews in Germany, one of the key benefits of anti-semitism was the seizure of Jewish property/wealth. I've always wondered about the logic of Islamophobia because economically there isn't much wealth stored up in kebab shops and taxis.

However, the logic becomes a lot clearer if you consider that an ultimate goal could be the seizure/sequestration of the American/European based assets of the Arab sovereign funds.

While the oil keeps pumping I don't think it's a problem for the gulf monarchies. But at some point there will be a tricky cost-benefit issue for the west, it will be plain that the Arabs will need to start drawing down on their assets, if they are allowed to do this it will mean a significant transfer of wealth from west to east.

Sequestration, under the guise of the Muslim threat, then has massive benefits.

p.s. [added this a bit later]

Analysts have been remarking how the western media has recently been more willing to entertain criticism of Wahhabism. I think this is the beginning of a trend to make robust (economic and military) action against Saudi more palatable.

Muslims in the West will then have a choice, to ally themselves with the Wahhabi ideology and be seen as a 5th column or to adhere to some less extremist ideology.

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Salaamalikum,

I hope and pray that you all are in the best of health Inshallah. :')

I once heard that before our Imam Mahdi(ATFS)'s Zahoor or Reappearence, there would be a sudden turn away from Islam and Muslims would run away in droves.

I think it was used to describe conditions in the West, mainly North America and Europe. That something would make them run away from Islam. I don't know how true or accurate it is.

But, If Trump ends up winning, or any Anti-Muslim candidate wins and implements policies targeting Muslims and our life is in danger, what would you do as a Muslim living in North America or the United States? 

Would you leave then and there and goto Canada? Or Would you stay and try and survive it?

I ask this because, recently this is the first time I have heard so many things targeting Muslims. Like the Mandatory Databases Story or Banning all Muslims from entering the US etc. 

I don't wish to speculate because I don't know, but to me, its kind of akin to Germany before and during World War 2, it just feels like that somehow. They would make the Jewish people wear something that would single them out easily, with which they were easy to identify etc. And then we all I think know about the Warsaw Ghetto etc. and what happend next. :'( 

But yeah, what would you do? I know this is different and congress still has to approve any major decisions which are made and they vote on it. There is still some balance of power if I remember lol. But our Media is so silent on this. When before they wouldn't be as much.

What would you do? How would you prepare?

Best Regards

-Asad_127       

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It's unconstitutional. There would be a backlash and likely an impeachment and Trump knows it. Trump's unlikely to win and even if he does he's not really interested in doing any of that. He's trawling  for votes. He will have no compunction about ignoring that faction of his supporters if he gets into office. I'm more concerned about the economy under him, not civil rights. Trump could care less about religion or almost anything else he's pretending to give two hoots about. He just wants to make it easy for the bu$ine$$ interests do to as they please. He'll be  delighted to roll in Muslim money, too.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

There is a major balance of power. The President does not do as he or she pleases. The Bill of Rights is a foundation of American Law and society. Congress is loathe to mess with it. Just look at the trouble we have getting gun control due to the Second Amendment. Plus, any Constitutional Amendment at all ,leave alone the first ten that comprise the Bill of Rights, must be ratified by 3/4 of the States. Good luck on that. There is not going to be an abridgment on religion freedom for Muslims because that would destroy all religious rights for everyone and no one is going to open that can of worms. Now, unofficial harassment by wingnut groups,etc. might go on due to the freedom of speech rights, but there are limits to that as well.

 

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7 hours ago, Asad_127 said:

Salaamalikum,

I hope and pray that you all are in the best of health Inshallah. :')

I once heard that before our Imam Mahdi(ATFS)'s Zahoor or Reappearence, there would be a sudden turn away from Islam and Muslims would run away in droves.

I think it was used to describe conditions in the West, mainly North America and Europe. That something would make them run away from Islam. I don't know how true or accurate it is.

But, If Trump ends up winning, or any Anti-Muslim candidate wins and implements policies targeting Muslims and our life is in danger, what would you do as a Muslim living in North America or the United States? 

Would you leave then and there and goto Canada? Or Would you stay and try and survive it?

I ask this because, recently this is the first time I have heard so many things targeting Muslims. Like the Mandatory Databases Story or Banning all Muslims from entering the US etc. 

I don't wish to speculate because I don't know, but to me, its kind of akin to Germany before and during World War 2, it just feels like that somehow. They would make the Jewish people wear something that would single them out easily, with which they were easy to identify etc. And then we all I think know about the Warsaw Ghetto etc. and what happend next. :'( 

But yeah, what would you do? I know this is different and congress still has to approve any major decisions which are made and they vote on it. There is still some balance of power if I remember lol. But our Media is so silent on this. When before they wouldn't be as much.

What would you do? How would you prepare?

Best Regards

-Asad_127       

Why would I go to Canada, I would live anywhere but the continent of North America.

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54 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

It's unconstitutional. There would be a backlash and likely an impeachment and Trump knows it. Trump's unlikely to win and even if he does he's not really interested in doing any of that. He's trawling  for votes. He will have no compunction about ignoring that faction of his supporters if he gets into office. I'm more concerned about the economy under him, not civil rights. Trump could care less about religion or almost anything else he's pretending to give two hoots about. He just wants to make it easy for the bu$ine$$ interests do to as they please. He'll be  delighted to roll in Muslim money, too.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

 

Salaamalikum :') 

Well let me ask you this. Is wiretapping or the patriot act constitutional? How about waterboarding? 

The fact of the matter is, there is no first amendment in reality. It's nonsense. There is no freedom of speech. There's no free media. They all toe the line. The right of the people to peaceably assemble is not true either. I protested once and police asked me to move somewhere else or they would arrest me. 

If there were freedom of speech, SC would let us air our grievances in public but they don't lool. :') I'm just kidding lol. 

So yeah there is no first Amendment. We have no rights. :') 

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54 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

It's unconstitutional. There would be a backlash and likely an impeachment and Trump knows it. Trump's unlikely to win and even if he does he's not really interested in doing any of that. He's trawling  for votes. He will have no compunction about ignoring that faction of his supporters if he ......

^Excellent points LCM :)

 However I've noticed so often our amendment/constitutional rights are trampled on (like racial profiling in airports), or a President wages war without Congress' Approval, or the right to a Court (but only if you can afford a lawyer), and so on.  In the case of Trump, don't you think he'll likely find a way--like a loophole or something to justify himself? 

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5 minutes ago, Sumayyeh said:

^Excellent points LCM :)

 However I've noticed so often our amendment/constitutional rights are trampled on (like racial profiling in airports), or a President wages war without Congress' Approval, or the right to a Court (but only if you can afford a lawyer), and so on.  In the case of Trump, don't you think he'll likely find a way--like a loophole or something to justify himself? 

I second this post.

You have to understand, if the president needs something done, they will get congress to pass it. You mentioned gun control, that has nothing to do with congress or the president but everything to do with the NRA. It's one of the strongest lobbies and they pay big money to keep congress from doing anything. If it wasn't in existence, GOP would support gun control the next day. It's not that hard to think about. Just look at our nation post 9/11. All the president has to do is play the fear card and prove his point, like false flags etc.

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Doing the things the OP described would require blatant violations of the Constitution, not just borderline disputed illegal things such as racial profiling, bad as it is and an actionable offense, Congress authorizing the President to stretch the 1973 War Powers Acts ( they can still deny funding and,in fact,have),or public defender office underfunding and case overload ( the Sixth Amendment still applies,though)..so ,even if he could,which he can't... I don't think he would or wants to try to monkey with the Constitution just to discomfit Muslims. That would initiate a Constitutional crisis for religious freedom and the actions would be struck down by the Supremes tout suite. In fact, the only way I could see Trumpo trying it would be with the knowledge that the  Supremes would kill it so he could blame not getting it done on them. But I don't think he would risk impeachment just to please the wingnuts he is currently lying to about his " concerns" about Muslims. I don't think he really cares about Muslims. He'd be happy to have any rich American Muslims fund him or as business partners. I don't think he has many actual concerns about Islam or "terrorism."

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What would I do if Trump became president? Nuthin'

 

All this "going to Canada" stuff is like an emo teenager threatening to run away from his parents. "Liberal," "democrat" types make these threats every election year.

 

Also: what makes Canada so great? Canada is just the version of Murica that remained a British "common""wealth." Is that something to be proud of? Being Murica Jr?

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