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Explain the "ontological Argument" to a child

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Salam, Ya Ali (as) Madad, Lanat upon the enemies of the Ahlulbayt (as)

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the ontological argument is as follows:

the argument that God, being defined as most great or perfect, must exist, since a God who exists is greater than a God who does not.

relevant wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument

I do not understand the bit in red, why is it a proof against an atheist? please can someone explain to me in simple terms why this is a good argument re: the existence of God?

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1 hour ago, DigitalUmmah said:

Salam, Ya Ali (as) Madad, Lanat upon the enemies of the Ahlulbayt (as)

Aliun Wali Allah Wajib

BAR MUQASSIRREEN LANAT

the ontological argument is as follows:

the argument that God, being defined as most great or perfect, must exist, since a God who exists is greater than a God who does not.

relevant wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument

I do not understand the bit in red, why is it a proof against an atheist? please can someone explain to me in simple terms why this is a good argument re: the existence of God?

my feeble attempt:

If you need a computer, then having a computer is better than not having a computer.

If you are hungry, having food is better than not having food.

In math, if God exists = 1 and God not existing = 0, then 1 > 0 always

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The argument states that if something exists then it is greater than non-existence, it does not prove that God exists.

 

Edited by Ozzy
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24 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

The argument states that if something exists then it is greater than non-existence, it does not prove that God exists.

 

Nailed it. It's a flawed argument. 

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2 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

Salam, Ya Ali (as) Madad, Lanat upon the enemies of the Ahlulbayt (as)

Aliun Wali Allah Wajib

BAR MUQASSIRREEN LANAT

the ontological argument is as follows:

the argument that God, being defined as most great or perfect, must exist, since a God who exists is greater than a God who does not.

relevant wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument

I do not understand the bit in red, why is it a proof against an atheist? please can someone explain to me in simple terms why this is a good argument re: the existence of God?

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Ontological_Arguments

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I don't think it's a good argument to use in a debate.

Edited by Hassan Y

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On 1/20/2017 at 10:52 AM, DigitalUmmah said:

Salam, Ya Ali (as) Madad, Lanat upon the enemies of the Ahlulbayt (as)

Aliun Wali Allah Wajib

BAR MUQASSIRREEN LANAT

the ontological argument is as follows:

the argument that God, being defined as most great or perfect, must exist, since a God who exists is greater than a God who does not.

relevant wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument

I do not understand the bit in red, why is it a proof against an atheist? please can someone explain to me in simple terms why this is a good argument re: the existence of God?

 

This is a fallacious argument.  It is like arguing that because Santa is defined as one who brings children gifts on Christmas it is was truly Santa who got children gifts on Christmas.  Merely defining something doesn't make it a fact.

 

  

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