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1 hour ago, Hassan Y said:

Imaan is the most important. Could you give me some other examples of what we should work on?

I never denied Iman is the most important.  When I asked the question above I was hoping for more specific answers. 

Here are mine:

- acheiving economic prosperity 

- being active in the community

- getting physically fit,  learning to use a weapon ? 

Imam Sadiq (a.s.) says in a tradition, “If one of you prepares for the Zuhoor of Hazrat Qaem (a.s.) even with a weapon as little as an arrow, when Allah sees the intention,

I am sure He would prolong your life."

(Ghaibat-e-Nomani Pg. 137)

- On regular basis take out a sum of money from our income and give it as sadqa on behalf of our awaited Imam (as)

You must care for his leadership, loyalty and attachment in a way that Allah, Prophet (s.a.) and the forefathers of Imam Mahdi (a.s.) expect from you. You must give preference of the needs of Imam (a.s.) over your own needs, when you are reciting the Namaz-e-Hajat (Prayer of having your need fulfilled). Before giving Sadaqah on behalf of your family members, give Sadaqah on behalf of Imam-e-Zamana (a.s.) and pray for him. In addition to this, give him preference in every good deed. All this things will invite Imam's (a.s.) attention and favours for you."-(Kashful Muhajja Pg. 151-152)

 

 

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@starlight

All the things you mentioned fall into the category of imaan.  But good post though, the stuff you mentioned are important for us to achieve.

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According to various end times hadith, best strategy seems to be preparation for leaving the west. The multitude of hadith we have paint a picture of how middle east will be before, during and after zohour, to some great detail. With all the chaos that will ensue, the situation will not be that much worse that it is now. Iran for instance, will have the greatest stability.  There is no mention of civil war taking place, or being attacked, only its involvement through the rise of Khorasani. 

However, regarding the rest of the world, we have hadith of 2/3rd of world population being wiped out. How? possibly nuclear and biological. Where they're going to be hit and how different places will be affected is an unknown. Perhaps we should stick with what is known and prepare our safe haven in the middle east. We might even have a chance to join Imam Mahdi's army.

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I read somewhere, that one of our Imam said to protect your books.

I think one of the recommendations people should do is:

1. Construct basement for them houses made of concrete without windows and two doors for entrance and exit.

2. Gas masks 

3. Storing food and Weapons

4. Storing important books such as Quran and Famous Ahadith Books.

5. Vehicle for family.

I think that world war three is not likely to happen, because none among the world businessmen and politicians would want to destroy their wealth and infrastructure. Even then one should not rule out to prepare for the difficult times ahead.

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TBH, I'm least worried about war and survival. 

The Iman and spirituality is the most important thing. Followers of Ahlulbayt(AS) have to pass their spirituality tests before imam(as) can reappear, but keep in mind, all the tests and tribulations that we go through in daily life are included in those tests. But we have to pass these tests to develop our spirituality. 

Reappearnance of Imam is dependant on spirituality of his(aS) followers. 

How can you prepare yourself ?

How are followers of ahlulbayt(AS) going to achieve all that that they plan for war without having proper level of Imaan ? And if they don't have sincere intentions ? I always wondered. 

Thousands and thousands of people came and died, wishing to help imam(as), only wishing to do something but majority failed because they failed in "Greater Jihad". 

Followers of ahlulbayt(AS) should learn from history and it tells us how those claimed to be companions of imams(as) left them. Look at what happened with Imam hassan(as). Their own generals left him(as). 

Look at the aqeel(as)  the messenger of Hussain(as) and how women changed the hearts and minds of those who, first, set out to help him And then how he(as) was left alone in streets of Kufaaa.. Many claimed to be companions and helpers. But when tested with discomfort only a few were left. And those who were true and sincere made to Karbala even when they had nothing but sincere hearts. 

If you really want to prepare yourself for imam(as) then 

First and foremost try to live by following footsteps of imams(AS) in daily life. Give imam(as) priority in your life and in your desires.

Educate yourself about islam, ahlulbayt(AS) and the world in general. And spread their message through actions not by words !! 

Help people. Help people for the sake of God in whatever way you can. Don't harbour bad thoughts about others.  Love and respect each other for the sake of God and Imam(as). That's how you are going to prepare yourself for imam(as). Keep your intentions pure. Keep yourself aware of situation of umaah and people around you.  Always remember you yourself are your own worst enemy. Allah can take revenge from your enemies and those who hurt you. But how are you going to take revenge from your own nafs who inclined you towards disobeying Allah and hurting other people ?    

  If you as individuals or group of people, aren't helping and caring for people around you ? If your own parents, children, friends, spouses and colleagues aren't happy with you because of your behaviour towards them ? How can you be among companions of imam(aS) ?

 All these little things matters.

Better and improve yourselves with intentions of helping imam(as). Be kind to people and help people with intentions of helping Imam(as). 

All the physical preparation can only be taken place once the hearts of believers are prepared. And how they can be prepared ? 

 They can only be prepared after going through severe kind of " Greater Jihad ". That's the test and that's what God is making followers of Ahlulbayt(as) go through by keeping Imam(aS) hidden. 

So it's good to have wishful thinking many had it before us too, but channel all that  in developing yourself spiritually and helping your siblings, children, parents, spouses and umma and people in General. And while doing all this keep telling yourself, sincerely, you are doing this for the sake of God and for the sake of Imam(as). And you aren't seeking any Reward in return from God but to be companion of Imam(AS). 

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Struggling_onn said:

TBH, I'm least worried about war and survival. 

The Iman and spirituality is the most important thing. Followers of Ahlulbayt(AS) have to pass their spirituality tests before imam(as) could reappear, but keep in mind, all the test and tribulations that we go through in daily life are included in those tests. But we have to pass these tests to develop our spirituality. 

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Good thinking, this is most appropriate answer :)

 

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11 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

So he gave up at the very least £2.1 million in lost income and presumably also sold his London property to buy this farm. That London property is now likely worth 6x (or more) what is was worth in 1987.

I think there is a balance between being preparing for the worst and believing in God's mercy. Get the balance wrong, live in fear and you don't make the best use of life's opportunities

my understanding is that he views his sheikh the same way that a shia would view their marja taqleed, and his sheikh gave him the naqshabandi equivalent of a fatwa. fair play to the guy he followed it to the word every day of his whole life

I cant give too many details right now because I am in a sort of taqiyyah-lite mode for a few months as to what I was doing there, (will make a thread once things are allowed to be revealed) but he lost much, while at the same time he gained a lot of other things. 

lets talk details, how can I, a lazy bum westerner, take that first practical step in terms of preparation? what would you say to someone who does his wajibaats but when it comes to preparation, is totally comatose?

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1 hour ago, DigitalUmmah said:

my understanding is that he views his sheikh the same way that a shia would view their marja taqleed, and his sheikh gave him the naqshabandi equivalent of a fatwa.

But a mar'je's fatwa would be based on Qu'ran and/or hadith, this just seems to be whimsy.

Which underlines the reason why I believe in taqlid, because everyone always follows someone else. And it's either going to be a mar'je or someone of questionable merit.

There's a nice little aphorism from management which is applicable here. 'You can get rid of the middleman (e.g. a retailer), but you can't get rid of the functions they perform (if you replace the retailer by buying direct from the manufacturer you're going to have to get your independent advice yourself)'. 

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26 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

But a mar'je's fatwa would be based on Qu'ran and/or hadith, this just seems to be whimsy.

Which underlines the reason why I believe in taqlid, because everyone always follows someone else. And it's either going to be a mar'je or someone of questionable merit.

There's a nice little aphorism from management which is applicable here. 'You can get rid of the middleman (e.g. a retailer), but you can't get rid of the functions they perform (if you replace the retailer by buying direct from the manufacturer you're going to have to get your independent advice yourself)'. 

Even marja will differ in opinions. If taqleed means to imitate, they are just doing that with their sufi master.

The sufi naqshbandi also have something like a risalah of their own and a book of a whole lot of hadith and Quran verses.

Just like what DU mentioned,with One big difference, these people are in direct contact with their Sufi master, most moqaleds of marajas have not even read the risalah nor have ever met their marjae nor even in contact with them.

The sufi masters and their students are normally very tight knitted.

I suppose because it is smaller population also.

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Bismillah

Ya Ali madad

Lanat on enemies of Allah

Preparation for Imam is to a lesser degree about material and to a larger degree spiritual.

Iraqi Shia produced close to a million young able bodied volunteers to push out ISIS on one fatwa of Ayatullah Seestani. This is called spiritual preparation.

Before terrorism started in Syria, there used to be thousands of Shia who would travel from Pakistan to bloody their backs in Damascus. Mausoleum of Bibi Zainab AS was attacked, ulema in Pakistan called for a nationwide street protest, less than 2,000 Shias came out in the whole of Pakistan. This is called spiritual death. 

When Imam will make his appearance, he will kill every Shia who would be 22 years of age and won't know the laws of their religion (hadith).

This likely includes those who deem it wajib to say Ali un WaliUllah in Tashahudd @DigitalUmmah :p since they are changing, based on their jahiliya, what was not practiced by Prophet and his Ahlulbayt AS.

It also includes those who divide the ummah of the Prophet S by calling fellow Shia Taqlidi, Malang, Muqassir, Munassir, Mufasa, OngaBonga and what not!

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

lets talk details, how can I, a lazy bum westerner, take that first practical step in terms of preparation? what would you say to someone who does his wajibaats but when it comes to preparation, is totally comatose?

Self sufficiency is pretty difficult for humans in general, more difficult for moderns than it's ever been. Eventually we will want to improve that, but first we need to get in the habit of a healthy lifestyle: avoiding sedentary habits, avoiding processed foods, being capable of at least basic first aid. 

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This reminds me of a thread back in the days of SC where two brothers said they used to practice sword fighting in the garden in order to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi.  :hahaha:

Preparing for the 12th imam is entirely spiritual as I completely doubt his success or arrival would be based on what meagre material offerings we can provide on the day. We need to pave the way mentally and spiritually or else we will be smited along with the kuffar. I am expecting supernatural help in the war.

As for surviving UNTIL he comes, a bomb shelter with stockpile of food and ammunitions would help greatly IF poop hits the fan.

Why does this all remind me of the terminator movies? :keeporder:

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4 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

lets talk details, how can I, a lazy bum westerner, take that first practical step in terms of preparation? what would you say to someone who does his wajibaats but when it comes to preparation, is totally comatose?

Build your character. Be an inspiration to others and work towards reforming the society. You brought up a problem, why don’t you be the solution to that problem? Islam is a religion that emphasizes on reformation of society and is against reclusion.  People are afraid of what ‘others will say’ and so they choose to remain in a hut and remain secluded. This fear has superceded the fear of God. Brother bearded baker has written a great blog on this. Also, don’t underestimate the fact that you perform your wajibat. But maybe you can reflect on some of those wajibat. How well do you perform your salah? There is a hadeeth I came across once by one of the Imams that not a single salah performed by his people 100%. Reflect on the surahs that you recite, and most importantly, don’t neglect the Quran. Something that Shias are known for unfortunately.

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28 minutes ago, ShiaBwoy said:

This reminds me of a thread back in the days of SC where two brothers said they used to practice sword fighting in the garden in order to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi.  :hahaha:

that's not laughable at all. 

Imam Mahdi (atfs) is not going to personally meet every single one of his followers one by one, there are bound to be the majority of people who will never meet him but will be under the command of one of the 313, fighting in an anrmy in distant places. or what if society crumbles and we are left in anarchy before his return, after technology fails? wouldn't swordsmanship/ martial arts be bloody useful? 

if the worst case scenario happens, and all of us (I heard 6 out of 7 people) are killed, then fine. 

if technology fails and we are reduced to swords and horses, then we will be ready

if the awaited Imam (atfs) grants abilities to us, then at least we get the thawaab of being in a state of intezar in our lives. this is a great ibadat. 

we have hadith that it is wajib to practice swordfighting, horseriding, archery, swimming and wrestling. are you laughing at the Imams too?

even if all this is not needed - at least we gain a skill, gain knowledge and stay fit. 

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I would advise the "Naqshbandi brothers":

To focus on learning skills, skills that will produce food in the long run or medicine.

Yeh, basically I  have decent mycology skills, like growing mushrooms on different substrates and how to prepare and safely store spores, there are so many different types of mushrooms and a lot of medicinal mushrooms can be grown on wood chips or sawdust. Just by controlling the conditions fungi's can produce a lot of fruit to feed you in the long run.I'd scream if somebody threw away a good bag of sawdust or compost in the apocalypse. I would at least be able to feed people if I am given the right tools, though having a spore bank along with the seed bank would help greatly.

Antibiotics can be created like penicillin if you study fungi and have stuff like agar jellies and Petri dishes.I wouldn't recommend doing it without experience and in-depth practice and study or you might kill yourself or someone else.

Don't get me wrong this isn't rich man science this is ghetto science that can be applied out in the slums, this is science based on materials one can procure like microporous tape, duct tape, plastic boxes.

You also need to know all your machines and tools intimately, in order to be able to repair them.

I have also thought about insect farms and being able to blend them into burgers or something but as haram, as it is, I'm sure it is better than starving to death. The main benefit is the fact they subsist off so little, yet produce a lot more protein than say a cow.

Overall though I expect to be dead if the poop hits the fan my best advice is to go to the Afghani/Pak border mountains, hide somewhere and squat until the world chills out.

 

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2 minutes ago, ShiaBwoy said:

Yeh, basically I  have decent mycology skills, like growing mushrooms on different substrates and how to prepare and safely store spores, there are so many different types of mushrooms and a lot of medicinal mushrooms can be grown on wood chips or sawdust. Just by controlling the conditions fungi's can produce a lot of fruit to feed you in the long run.I'd scream if somebody threw away a good bag of sawdust or compost in the apocalypse. I would at least be able to feed people if I am given the right tools, though having a spore bank along with the seed bank would help greatly.

Listen Im serious, you need to share this knowledge with us, or at least provide us with some information online where we can study it and add it to our plans

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31 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

Listen Im serious, you need to share this knowledge with us, or at least provide us with some information online where we can study it and add it to our plans

 
 
 
 

If I get the time I might make a pdf. I will work on producing the tekkers. Though it will take me a long time like a month or more. I could point to other people's guides but they all have bits and bobs of useful material scattered everywhere. At least we can specialise in different fields and gather knowledge. The real challenge is putting all the different aspects and methods into a concise format.

SHTF is the term you want to google for anything else. Thankfully a lot of thought has been applied to the problem already,  however, a lot of it is U.S centric. We don't have the real estate nor access to many things people in the U.S have. We need to tone it down to crossbows and growing food in small allotments or under the floor boards lol, unless you earning them big stacks like Souljah boy.

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@ShiaBwoy how do I grow magic mushrooms? asking for a friend. 

seriously though if you could put something together that would be fantastic. I will google around in the mean time its one of those things ive always been interested in but never really taken the time to learn

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DM LOL

Magic mushrooms? Whats the plan here?

Stock piles of PM's - get wasted - fight a spiritual war against casper the nuclear ghost?

Now let's see how many real medical benefits you can both list to conflict with the higher potential for abuse.

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13 minutes ago, saas said:

Magic mushrooms? Whats the plan here?

Step 1: grow magic mushrooms
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Join Imam Mahdi (atfs) army

ok so I suck at plans. 

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1 hour ago, saas said:

DM LOL

Magic mushrooms? Whats the plan here?

Stock piles of PM's - get wasted - fight a spiritual war against casper the nuclear ghost?

Now let's see how many real medical benefits you can both list to conflict with the higher potential for abuse.

 
 
 
 
 

Migraines and PTSD but the research is ongoing. Medical use focuses on micro dosing. Recreational use is obviously haram, and I'm not here to justify the use of certain substances within medicine to you and neither did I propose growing them. I want my tribe of princes in Bel air to be able to operate heavy machinery and fend off attacks successfully.

Interesting point, though, where I am from, resin from the poppy aka opium is used as a painkiller and given to babies when mixed with milk.You'd bet I'd want a few bottles of that stuff and it's seeds in a seed bank if I lived in a climate suitable for it. This is the apocalypse mate, good luck to you if you have access to pharmaceutical grade medicines which you stockpiled. I know they will run out quick, and the Carltons Apothecary is going to be bringing in all the Dajjali denars.

Let us not derail the thread, please anyone contribute specifics, maybe if anyone has plans for a locust farm in order to make burgers from them or are they haram?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ShiaBwoy said:

Lets not derail the topic though, please anyone contribute specifics, maybe if anyone has plans for a locust farm in order to make burgers from them or are they haram?

We have examples in modern times of when society (most of us live in urban environments) collapsed and people were left to fend for themselves for a period of time before order was restored

I have no Idea how old you are/ your background, but when I was a kid the Sarajevo conflict was something on the news a lot here in the UK. looking back, I have been studying a lot of peoples accounts who were forced to live in the cities, in hiding. people who had to learn how to forage, what is useful, how to hide their tracks and so on. 

I think things like these serve as very useful pointers about how to act in an urban anarchy situation. 

without any doubt at all, all of us need to know how to defend ourselves. muslims living in non muslim countries will be the first targets. 

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9 hours ago, Irfani313 said:

It also includes those who divide the ummah of the Prophet S by calling fellow Shia Taqlidi, Malang, Muqassir, Munassir, Mufasa, OngaBonga and what not!

I want a referendum for all Sh'ia worldwide to vote for either Mufasa or Ongabonga as our new title.

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On 1/9/2017 at 7:11 PM, Ron_Burgundy said:

He is paranoid. 

inb4 the end of the world arrives and we all go and seek sanctuary in his shelter.

But ultimately you're right:P

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Given how many anti-slavery topics we have had, I hope people realise that in any apocalyptic scenario they'd better get used to the idea of slavery as a means of survival and that includes selling your kids.

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16 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Given how many anti-slavery topics we have had, I hope people realise that in any apocalyptic scenario they'd better get used to the idea of slavery as a means of survival and that includes selling your kids.

how so? I doubt slavery would ever be an option in places where it isnt currently part of society

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50 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

how so? I doubt slavery would ever be an option in places where it isnt currently part of society

Isn't it? They don't call it that, obviously. It's already much like feudalism, with a few wealthy "lords" controlling the lives of the filthy masses. Slavery changes to fit the needs of the owners.

 

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7 minutes ago, notme said:

Isn't it? They don't call it that, obviously. It's already much like feudalism, with a few wealthy "lords" controlling the lives of the filthy masses. Slavery changes to fit the needs of the owners.

how would it work in an anarchy situation though?

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27 minutes ago, DigitalUmmah said:

how would it work in an anarchy situation though?

There's never going to be permanent anarchy. It's not sustainable. Those who have power (wealth) will own those who do not. I think this world has usually been like this. I have no doubt that when chaos breaks out, those currently in power have resources already in place to maintain their power. We might have to fight a much stronger enemy who will steal resources they don't even need, just as a way to maintain control.

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13 hours ago, uponthesunnah said:

inb4 the end of the world arrives and we all go and seek sanctuary in his shelter.

But ultimately you're right:P

There has to be WW3 before Imam.

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