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Yamani, Khorasani and Sufyani

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Assalamu Alaikom

In January 2015, Yemeni parliament was officially dissolved by Ansar Allah.

In the same month, Salman Al Saud became King of Saudi Arabia.

Same month again, Saraya al Khorasani had now 3000 fighters and was gaining prominence as the most effective militia in Iraq. (By Khorasani they mean Syed Khamenei). Iran has become very prominent in Iraq for this.

Therefore...

Sufyani=Salman Al Saud

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Yamani=Abdul Malik al Houthi

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Khorasani=Ali Khamenei

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What do you think?

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Salam Mansur,

I don't think so that anyone from Aale Saud would be a Sufyani.

According to Imam Ali a.s that the man would appear from deep damascus (Wadi-e-Yabas), he would be illiterate, ill-mannered and ill-faced having small pox on his head. If you see him, he would then look like one-eye binded (Kana in Urdu), he would appear in Damascus and sit on the minbar of Damascus

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13 hours ago, E.L King said:

Some say the Sufyani will rule over five places: Damascus, Aleppo, Homs, Palestine and Jordan.

Well Al Saud would not have much trouble gaining prominence in Palestine and becoming a bigger ally of Israel if the Civil War is won by the rebels. As for Jordan, its already a slave of Al Saud.

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We need to remember in the next hundred years things will change, these militias and armed rebellions will evolve,develop or diminish.  These conflicts IMO are simply forming the foundation of what is yet to come.

We've seen from the rise and fall of ISIS that the landscape can change dramatically overnight.

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To wrong if the houthis were anything narrated in the Hadith they would fall under ' kaser anho fe Sanaa ' this is both a person and a movement this person. On the authority of al sadik " a standard shall come forth from the east and another from the west , then a affiction will hit the people of zawraa ( Baghdad ) then a man from my cousins zayd will come forth from Yemen " that's correct as Abdul malek is a Zaidi in both progeny and sect. Another Hadith on the authority of Abu jafar :" then he marches towards then from Sanaa and kills the people without mercy ( like pre Islamic times ) then he meets the one with the half closed eye who's standards are yellowish ( a army coming from west of Arab world ) and he ( sufyani) triumphs over him .  That's also true if you follow the Yemeni war the houthis are very aggressive ( not that Iam against them ) other hadiths tell us that the leader will be tanned with a protruding abdomen and sunken eyes all these are fit with Abdul malek and the houthi movement 

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Also no again because the yamani is a gahtani not a Zaidi. When this wars happens al yamani won't be a leader he will be a normal person he will come out from the east calling and from his call the imam will arrive to assist not the other way around. He will be the successor and will pave the way. His characteristics : " he will have two attributes a mole in his head, dandruff in his hair and a mole between his left shoulder" al Baqir said " It is he, who's pigment has a strike of red. Hollow eyes , unlinked eyebrows, wide shoulders , dandruff in his head ( this dandruff in Arabic translates  for really strong dandruff ) and a mark on his face" in other narrations it says the mark is a mole on the right side of his face . Other narrations say he will come out young there's one narration which says he will be " lightly bearded boy " many scholars have said him being lightly beard and named a boy means he is very young to the extent that his beard hasn't even grown (17-21 ) . Other narrations also say he will "take it upon himself and hold the sword for 8 months " this indicates that he will first go to succeed this mission and then revive the title of al yamani not him starting at the top all of a sudden with large man power. Both Shia and Sunni sources agree that in the end times the successor or a leader who will lead the Arabs will be a gahtani . Sahih Bukhari : " the hour will not come until a gahtani appears and rules the Arabs " 

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On 15/12/2016 at 6:21 AM, Altaay said:

Abdul malek is a Zaidi in both progeny and sect. 

Abdul Malik houthi is a Hasani Syed no? His fathers name was Tabatbai. Tabatbai are Hasani Syed's I believe. 

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Imam (as) prophecies the Houthi army below and when our twelfth imam (as) confronts the Houthi army the Hasani Syed leader along with many soldiers of the Houthi army will accept imam e Hujjat (as) as their imam however there will be some stubborn zaidi soldiers that will refuse to convert. 

Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) said By God, the Hasani Sayyed (the current leader of the Houthi army is a Hasani Sayyed his name is Syed Abdul Malik Houthi) will be knowing his leader (imam) but only to assure other people he will seek miracles. Four thousand Zaidi soldiers of Yemen (currently the whole of the Houthi army is Zaidi) belonging to the army of Hasani Sayyed will refute. They will be claiming Zaid the Martyr as their imam. Consequently Imam Mahdi will tell the Hasani Sayyed to persuade the Zaidi youths (meaning of Houthis is "the believing youth" and as we can see here imam (as) is using the term "zaidi youths") to surrender. Negotiations will last for three days but Zaidis wont budge. At last all of them will be annihilated. (Page 28, Qiyamat Al Sugra)

Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) said:

Keep silent and remain in your houses because no bad will affect you especially which will affect the rest of the people, and as long as the (revolutionary) Zaydites (Houthi army) will be as a front stead (barrier, or the actual definition of frontstead is the lawn in front of a house) between you and the Governments (Saudi Arabia, Sufyani (la), Egypt, etc) 

Ghayba Al Numani Page 450

Here imam sadiq (as) is giving advice to the momins and Muslims on what to do when the sufyani (la) rises since the SHIAS will be in danger due to his killing spree. Imam (as) said let the zaidis (Houthi army) do the fighting for you as they will act as a buffer protection for the Mumineen and Muslims and that is the mercy of Allah swt. So the advice from MAULA Sadiq (as) is to stay in your homes and let the zaidis (Houthi army from yemen) do the fighting with Sufyani (la) and the other wahaabi countries. 

Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) said:

Once Sufyani was mentioned before imam Sadiq (as) and He (as) said:

"He (Sufyani) will not rise except after the rising of the one in Sana'a (we can see from the current situation the Houthi army have taken over most of yemen and of course sana'a is the capital of yemen) 

Bihar Al Anwar Volume 52 Page 245

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On 18 December 2016 at 11:31 AM, Rectify said:

Abdul Malik houthi is a Hasani Syed no? His fathers name was Tabatbai. Tabatbai are Hasani Syed's I believe. 

Doesn't change the point because the yamani is gahtani not syed 

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On 18 December 2016 at 11:31 AM, Rectify said:

Abdul Malik houthi is a Hasani Syed no? His fathers name was Tabatbai. Tabatbai are Hasani Syed's I believe. 

whats interesting more is 2017 is when all these events will take place politically and the Mahdi can only appear on a ' farde ' year which is 2017 . Ithink the next steps are turkey invading northern Syria and KSA having internal issues and either invading or supporting a movement against Syria 

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10 hours ago, Altaay said:

whats interesting more is 2017 is when all these events will take place politically and the Mahdi can only appear on a ' farde ' year which is 2017 . Ithink the next steps are turkey invading northern Syria and KSA having internal issues and either invading or supporting a movement against Syria 

Maybe. There's not much written on Yemeni unless you have any books which mentions Yemeni? 

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Turkey will transfer invade upper Mesopotamia according to hadiths which is currently northwestern Iraq and northeast Syria before the appearance of our 12th Imam (as). Interestingly, this is exactly where the Kurds are located....

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5 hours ago, Rectify said:

Maybe. There's not much written on Yemeni unless you have any books which mentions Yemeni? 

Yamani has decent amount written but you have to keep a eye for key words sometimes they book may say " qaim " referring to yamani sometimes referring to al Mahdi . The promised Hujjat al yamani . This book also has many faults so try to take what this books says if it agrees with the top scholars 

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5 hours ago, Rectify said:

Turkey will transfer invade upper Mesopotamia according to hadiths which is currently northwestern Iraq and northeast Syria before the appearance of our 12th Imam (as). Interestingly, this is exactly where the Kurds are located....

It will invade all of north Syria and Iraq except for Iraqi Kurdistan. They claim it's because of Assad but it's because there scared of the Kurds rebelling against them . A civil war is more then likely to break out 

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5 hours ago, Rectify said:

Turkey will transfer invade upper Mesopotamia according to hadiths which is currently northwestern Iraq and northeast Syria before the appearance of our 12th Imam (as). Interestingly, this is exactly where the Kurds are located....

Also this Hadith is interesting: a man named after a animal will rule of Hejaz . He will seem to you from far as if he has squinted eyes but as you get closer to him . You will find his sight is sound. ( King Fahd named after Lepord ) . His successor will be his brother called Abdullah. Announce to me his death and I shalt announce the appearance of al hujja . Abdullah died 2015 ,2017 January it will mark 2 years I truly believe with the current situation ( turkey preparing to invade Syria , KSA losing all proxy wars , KSA threatening and preparing to invade Syria ) and also that KSA is having a problem with successors ship. Muqrin ibn Abdul aziz was supposed to be heir to throne following current kings death but they changed it to Muhammad ibn nayef as heir , so expect with abdulazizs death a problem 

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20 hours ago, Altaay said:

Yamani has decent amount written but you have to keep a eye for key words sometimes they book may say " qaim " referring to yamani sometimes referring to al Mahdi . The promised Hujjat al yamani . This book also has many faults so try to take what this books says if it agrees with the top scholars 

Would you have any hadiths saying the qaim will not be Syed? 

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20 hours ago, Altaay said:

It will invade all of north Syria and Iraq except for Iraqi Kurdistan. They claim it's because of Assad but it's because there scared of the Kurds rebelling against them . A civil war is more then likely to break out 

The Hadith says al jazira which translates to upper Mesopotamia which is present day northwestern Iraq and northeast Syria. 

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20 hours ago, Altaay said:

Also this Hadith is interesting: a man named after a animal will rule of Hejaz . He will seem to you from far as if he has squinted eyes but as you get closer to him . You will find his sight is sound. ( King Fahd named after Lepord ) . His successor will be his brother called Abdullah. Announce to me his death and I shalt announce the appearance of al hujja . Abdullah died 2015 ,2017 January it will mark 2 years I truly believe with the current situation ( turkey preparing to invade Syria , KSA losing all proxy wars , KSA threatening and preparing to invade Syria ) and also that KSA is having a problem with successors ship. Muqrin ibn Abdul aziz was supposed to be heir to throne following current kings death but they changed it to Muhammad ibn nayef as heir , so expect with abdulazizs death a problem 

The Hadith says "it won't be long" after the death of abdullah. Not long can be up to 100 years or even more. We can't presume it's going to be tommorow.....

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8 hours ago, Rectify said:

Would you have any hadiths saying the qaim will not be Syed? 

The book I quoted talks and shows the public narrations about him and his progeny . His name or title is literally " Mansour al yamani al gahtani " , " al gahtani " is a tribe that's not sayed . Even Sunni hadiths say in Bukhari and Muslim say the same " the world will not come to a end until a man from gahtan appears and rule the people " in other narrations " the Arabs " . From Shia Hadith the hadiths just say " some of the public narrations mention that al yamani is gahtani " many scholars have said this makes sense because his called ' al yamani ' because the gahtanis originate from Yemeni therfore being called al yamani where's the qurayshis or sayeds originate in Hejaz. This also fits with the narration of the prophet which goes " after me there will be 12 imams you Ali are the first imam and after the imams there will be 12 mahdis " the fact that the mahdis were listed as imams means the mahdis are distinct from the imams. This in turn means imam Mahdi is the seal of imams this also makes sense because Jesus will take care of his burial where's if imam Mahdi had a son why wouldn't his son take care of the burial. Keep in mind the gahtanis today are in Iraq mostly , KSA , UAE , Kuwait 

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Even the hadiths on his charcastics or appareance don't meet with imam mahdis . Even when it says the yamani will be the first believer and imam Mahdi will come out to help the yamani so if the yamani is imam mahdis son then he already believes in him and it makes no sense in the way the hadiths portray it 

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On 21 December 2016 at 6:40 AM, Rectify said:

The Hadith says "it won't be long" after the death of abdullah. Not long can be up to 100 years or even more. We can't presume it's going to be tommorow.....

Funniest thing I heard " 100 years " obviously according to reality leave the Hadith alone after King salman there's two kings who's gana take the King ship ? King salaman has many health issues to the point that he doesn't even do public speaking anymore in prophecies he dies March- April and from his current Health you would expect that . The Hadith goes " announce his death to me and I shalt announce the appareance of the Hujjat " in other narrations the rule will be months not years anymore so no definitely not 100 years hahaha, many scholars have there say on this and no one said 100 years or " maybe 100 years " rather a couple years with the Hadith that says months not years it's more then clear 

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Keep in mind the yamani will arrive with the Muslims both Sunni and Shia against him. And the Mahdi will come to assist him . According to descriptions he may be a teenagers of 18 to 22 . What we know for sure is his young 

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On 15 December 2016 at 4:23 AM, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Well Al Saud would not have much trouble gaining prominence in Palestine and becoming a bigger ally of Israel if the Civil War is won by the rebels. As for Jordan, its already a slave of Al Saud.

Idontknow if your serious Palestine will not be conquered and if anything that's were the dajjal will rise the dajjal is a haredi and the haredis are rising in parliament and population. If you don't know the haredis are ultra Jews are hate the secular Jews to the point they believe Israel shouldn't exist 

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On 18 December 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rectify said:

 

Imam (as) prophecies the Houthi army below and when our twelfth imam (as) confronts the Houthi army the Hasani Syed leader along with many soldiers of the Houthi army will accept imam e Hujjat (as) as their imam however there will be some stubborn zaidi soldiers that will refuse to convert. 

Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) said By God, the Hasani Sayyed (the current leader of the Houthi army is a Hasani Sayyed his name is Syed Abdul Malik Houthi) will be knowing his leader (imam) but only to assure other people he will seek miracles. Four thousand Zaidi soldiers of Yemen (currently the whole of the Houthi army is Zaidi) belonging to the army of Hasani Sayyed will refute. They will be claiming Zaid the Martyr as their imam. Consequently Imam Mahdi will tell the Hasani Sayyed to persuade the Zaidi youths (meaning of Houthis is "the believing youth" and as we can see here imam (as) is using the term "zaidi youths") to surrender. Negotiations will last for three days but Zaidis wont budge. At last all of them will be annihilated. (Page 28, Qiyamat Al Sugra)

Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) said:

Keep silent and remain in your houses because no bad will affect you especially which will affect the rest of the people, and as long as the (revolutionary) Zaydites (Houthi army) will be as a front stead (barrier, or the actual definition of frontstead is the lawn in front of a house) between you and the Governments (Saudi Arabia, Sufyani (la), Egypt, etc) 

Ghayba Al Numani Page 450

Here imam sadiq (as) is giving advice to the momins and Muslims on what to do when the sufyani (la) rises since the SHIAS will be in danger due to his killing spree. Imam (as) said let the zaidis (Houthi army) do the fighting for you as they will act as a buffer protection for the Mumineen and Muslims and that is the mercy of Allah swt. So the advice from MAULA Sadiq (as) is to stay in your homes and let the zaidis (Houthi army from yemen) do the fighting with Sufyani (la) and the other wahaabi countries. 

Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) said:

Once Sufyani was mentioned before imam Sadiq (as) and He (as) said:

"He (Sufyani) will not rise except after the rising of the one in Sana'a (we can see from the current situation the Houthi army have taken over most of yemen and of course sana'a is the capital of yemen) 

Bihar Al Anwar Volume 52 Page 245

The rising of the one from Yemen will be " kaser anho fe Sanaa " he was described as harsh ruler that will kill like pre Islamic times meaning really harsh . Also that the sufyani will trumpet over him later on the yamani movement will begin from Iraq 

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