Ibn Al-Shahid

Why are we here

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12 minutes ago, armeen said:

Because Allah has put feelings and emotions in us. He puts us through a lot of difficulties , which makes us suffer. but we are still expected to follow Allah's rules, always be obedient to our parents etcc.. even though it was not our choice to come into this world. we constantly get hurt by the people and enviroment in which we live in, whilst being helpless and vulnerable to the pain it causes us. 

You're thinking like an engine :) 

Know yourself & your qualities & capabilities, you will succeed in the test. 

Surah Al-Inshirah, Verse 6:

إِنَّ مَعَ الْعُسْرِ يُسْرًا

With difficulty is surely ease.

(English - Shakir)

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19 minutes ago, armeen said:

we constantly get hurt by the people and enviroment in which we live in, whilst being helpless and vulnerable to the pain it causes us. 

These sufferings are manageable & bearable or not? You would have died if you were helpless. :) 

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4 minutes ago, Engineer73 said:

You're thinking like an engine :) 

Know yourself & your qualities & capabilities, you will succeed in the test. 

Surah Al-Inshirah, Verse 6:

إِنَّ مَعَ الْعُسْرِ يُسْرًا

With difficulty is surely ease.

(English - Shakir)

Engines dont feel pain. but humans do. :)

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1 minute ago, Engineer73 said:

These sufferings are manageable & bearable or not? You would have died if you were helpless. :) 

Lol death is not helplessnes, death is  ease to your pain. its only when humans are living which makes them helpless. 

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2 minutes ago, armeen said:

only when humans are living which makes them helpless. 

No doctor sees you? You have no friends & family? No government sponsorship?

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2 minutes ago, armeen said:

What do you mean?

Surah Ar-Room, Verse 47:

 وَكَانَ حَقًّا عَلَيْنَا نَصْرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ

and helping the believers is ever incumbent on Us.

(English - Shakir)

4 minutes ago, Engineer73 said:

No doctor sees you? You have no friends & family? No government sponsorship?

 

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2 minutes ago, Engineer73 said:

No doctor sees you? You have no friends & family? No government sponsorship?

These things cant remove every kind of pain silly. 

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Just now, armeen said:

These things cant remove every kind of pain silly. 

LOL,  Well, there is no gain without pain.

Humans took birth by bearing pain.. 

 

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1 minute ago, Engineer73 said:

LOL,  Well, there is no gain without pain.

Humans took birth by bearing pain.. 

 

Lol yeah, I learnt that the hard way.

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1 minute ago, armeen said:

Lol yeah, I learnt that the hard way.

So finally, we are agreed on a point i.e., there is no gain without pain. :D

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Let's ask the people who don't exist if they would like to exist. Oh wait...we can't. 

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5 hours ago, armeen said:

Because Allah has put feelings and emotions in us. He puts us through a lot of difficulties , which makes us suffer. but we are still expected to follow Allah's rules, always be obedient to our parents etcc.. even though it was not our choice to come into this world. we constantly get hurt by the people and enviroment in which we live in, whilst being helpless and vulnerable to the pain it causes us. 

Would you choose not to ever exist if god would grant you that option?

Edited by Hassan Y

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9 hours ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

Indeed I do. Philosophy is someone's opinion but can be extremely eye opening.

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People here are throwing around verses from the Qur'an without even knowing all the 7 meanings.

Why does Allah (s.w.t) want us to worship Him?

"admiration, thanks giving" Okay, but why?

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@Jebreil your thoughts?

That guy left the forum.

And the Qur'an being revealed with seven ahruf, that is not a confirmed belief in our Madhab, in fact we have a hadith which refutes that belief, if that's what you mean.

Edited by E.L King

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59 minutes ago, E.L King said:

That guy left the forum.

And the Qur'an being revealed with seven ahruf, that is not a confirmed belief in our Madhab, in fact we have a hadith which refutes that belief, if that's what you mean.

No, he's always here with us; manifesting through what he taught us.

Seven meanings, not ahruf. Each ayah has 7 meanings.

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5 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

Seven meanings, not ahruf. Each ayah has 7 meanings.

Which Ayah? Mohkimaat or Mutashabeh?

How can a Hokum has 7 meanings? 

How can a Mutashabeh has 7 meanings while its ta'veel is just one? Which is known to Rasikhoona fil ilm

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48 minutes ago, armeen said:

Anytime! :)

Devoting your 80 years of life to worship god in this temporary painful world is not worth paradise for eternity? That's absurd. How can you say god is unjust? God is more than merciful for allowing us to exist, we don't even deserve it and that is why we should thank him and appreciate everything he has done for us.

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11 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

Devoting your 80 years of life to worship god in this temporary painful world is not worth paradise for eternity? That's absurd. How can you say god is unjust? God is more than merciful for allowing us to exist, we don't even deserve it and that is why we should thank him and appreciate everything he has done for us.

I personally think it's not worth it. but each to their own. :)

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8 minutes ago, armeen said:

I personally think it's not worth it. but each to their own. :)

HOW is it not worth it? 80 years of pain for infinite years of happiness... you wouldn't take that deal?

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6 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

HOW is it not worth it? 80 years of pain for infinite years of happiness... you wouldn't take that deal?

If Allah gave everyone equal amounts of pain, then yeah it would be worth it. but unfortunately, thats not the case. 

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11 minutes ago, armeen said:

If Allah gave everyone equal amounts of pain, then yeah it would be worth it. but unfortunately, thats not the case. 

You do not realize the more one struggles the more he is rewarded? 

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20 minutes ago, Hassan Y said:

HOW is it not worth it? 80 years of pain for infinite years of happiness... you wouldn't take that deal?

But what if some people get inflicted with so much pain, that they give up on life? or lose faith? it happens, and its not fair to say that those people are weak, because we have never been in their situation. 

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6 minutes ago, armeen said:

But what if some people get inflicted with so much pain, that they give up on life? or lose faith? it happens, and its not fair to say that those people are weak, because we have never been in their situation. 

When you have so much love for Allah and the ahlul bayte (as) you do not lose your faith. What these people need to do is practice to become a better muslim (assuming they're muslims) and read duas so that Allah will strengthen there faith. You need to remember, all this pain and suffering of this world is temporary, the real world is the hereafter. 

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1 minute ago, Hassan Y said:

When you have so much love for Allah and the ahlul bayte (as) you do not lose your faith. What these people need to do is practice to become a better muslim (assuming they're muslims) and read duas so that Allah will strengthen there faith. You need to remember, all this pain and suffering of this world is temporary, the real world is the hereafter. 

Subhanallah, well said. :)

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2 hours ago, armeen said:

But what if some people get inflicted with so much pain, that they give up on life? or lose faith? it happens, and its not fair to say that those people are weak, because we have never been in their situation. 

You don't lose faith. You lose belief. Faith and belief are two different things.

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9 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

You don't lose faith. You lose belief. Faith and belief are two different things.

But without belief, you cant have faith. 

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