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7 minutes ago, ChristianVisitor said:

How do orthodox Twelvers (Jafaris) view other professing Shia sects?

Zaidis (the sect of the Houthis)

Ismailis

Alwaites

Alevis

Nizari

Rejecting one Imam is like rejecting all of them.

Edited by E.L King

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Salam 

Orthodox????? 

In what sense u said twlwers as orthodox can u plz explain

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 4:51 PM, ChristianVisitor said:

How do orthodox Twelvers (Jafaris) view other professing Shia sects?

Zaidis (the sect of the Houthis)

Ismailis

Alwaites

Alevis

Nizari

And there is a Hadees of prophet Mohammed on imam mehdi ajtf 

That-- if someone believes in 11 imams and doesn't has faith in 12 imam then he   is like the Muslim who believes in all prophets except last prophet Mohammed pbuh--

 

So basically every imams has equal position and each of thems marefat (recognition) is required 

Am a twelver and  I don't think twelver are orthodox  not because m a twelver but because we don't see any shia of ahlulbait with differentiating attitude nor consider then bad or accuse them as Orthodox

   

 

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On November 15, 2016 at 6:21 AM, ChristianVisitor said:

How do orthodox Twelvers (Jafaris) view other professing Shia sects?

Zaidis (the sect of the Houthis)

Ismailis

Alwaites

Alevis

Nizari

I am a zaydi and we are not just associated with Houthis.

Twelvers view the above listed differently. A lot depends on what the particular person believes.

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19 hours ago, Abu 'l Jarud said:

I am a zaydi and we are not just associated with Houthis.

Twelvers view the above listed differently. A lot depends on what the particular person believes.

Salaam alaikum!

It's nice to have other Shi'i perspectives besides the Intha'Ashari perspective here.  The site being called Shiachat, not Twelverchat, afterall.  If you don't mind my asking, what would you recommend for learning more about the Zaydi branch of Shi'a Islam?  My understanding is very elementary; what I'm told is that the Zaydi are very similar to Hanafi Sunnis in matters of fiqh and that there are subdivisions within the school with one accepting the first 4 Caliphs and the other not accepting the first 3.

Although I am a Twelver myself, I believe it's important to be open minded and to learn as much about all schools of Islam as possible. 

I was going to say looking at the list that it seems that the Ja'fari and Hanafi fiqh is very well represented, but that there are other considerations as well.  Anyway, thanks in advance! :)

R

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2 hours ago, reisiger said:

Salaam alaikum!

It's nice to have other Shi'i perspectives besides the Intha'Ashari perspective here.  The site being called Shiachat, not Twelverchat, afterall.  If you don't mind my asking, what would you recommend for learning more about the Zaydi branch of Shi'a Islam?  My understanding is very elementary; what I'm told is that the Zaydi are very similar to Hanafi Sunnis in matters of fiqh and that there are subdivisions within the school with one accepting the first 4 Caliphs and the other not accepting the first 3.

Although I am a Twelver myself, I believe it's important to be open minded and to learn as much about all schools of Islam as possible. 

I was going to say looking at the list that it seems that the Ja'fari and Hanafi fiqh is very well represented, but that there are other considerations as well.  Anyway, thanks in advance! :)

R

Salam,

As I recall this book had a few chapters on the subject:

Shi'i Islam: An Introduction (Introduction to Religion) - Najam Haider

https://www.amazon.com/Shii-Islam-Introduction-Religion/dp/1107625785/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1479921019&sr=1-1

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5 hours ago, reisiger said:

Salaam alaikum!

It's nice to have other Shi'i perspectives besides the Intha'Ashari perspective here.  The site being called Shiachat, not Twelverchat, afterall.  If you don't mind my asking, what would you recommend for learning more about the Zaydi branch of Shi'a Islam?  My understanding is very elementary; what I'm told is that the Zaydi are very similar to Hanafi Sunnis in matters of fiqh and that there are subdivisions within the school with one accepting the first 4 Caliphs and the other not accepting the first 3.

Although I am a Twelver myself, I believe it's important to be open minded and to learn as much about all schools of Islam as possible. 

I was going to say looking at the list that it seems that the Ja'fari and Hanafi fiqh is very well represented, but that there are other considerations as well.  Anyway, thanks in advance! :)

R

سلم عليكم

yes, I prefer not to label myself per say because these sects all came after the Salaf. And most of the time when you are part of a certain sect you become subjected to imaginary walls that tell you what to believe.

now I said I'm a zaydi because it's the easiest thing I can "relate" to when engaging in a discussion.

as for what Zaydis believe, well, 2 main sects are in existence at this point in time. Mainly the group(majority) that believe in Imams having to have the "wasf" of 'Ali. Which means that they have to posses the attributes of him and what he did for instance;

rising with a sword

being an Alid either from Al-Husayn or al-Hasan

having religious knowledge and piety.

now the other group which namely was the Jarudiyya have become the Houthies. Now they have the same beliefs as mainstream Zaydis except that they curse the first 3. And it is a condition that they do. Their proof is in the Masa'il of Abu 'l Qasim(Imam Rassi) 

as for books they follow;

'Amaali Ahmad b. 'Isa

masa'il Abu 'l Qasim

musnad Zayd b. 'Ali

jami' al-Kafi 

to your question whether they follow Hanafi Fiqh then NO!

that is a grave misconception. While yes, some of the Fiqh is taken from Kufa because Muhammad b. Mansur was Kufan then you will notice some.

but I follow the opinions of Isma'il b. Ishaq who in the Amaali prayers a lot like Imamis with a little diffrences

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I said earlier shias don't discriminate that's true 

And seriously I didn't know about shia sects I always thought shias are 1 a

M a 12 imams follower that is 12 wer

I am wondering which sect I belong from above

And my friends name is sayyed falak fatima zaidi 

So is this zaidi part like indicating that sh is of zaidi sect??? 

I was confused as I read her name and when I saw this thread I wanted to know it  and from the day I posted in this thread can someone help me out

Why r these sects what r they what's its origin beliefs and how can I    check /know   which sect I belong 

And all sects follow same mujtahid same imams ri8ri8???       

Edited by Pearl3112

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On 11/23/2016 at 2:55 PM, Abu 'l Jarud said:

سلم عليكم

yes, I prefer not to label myself per say because these sects all came after the Salaf. And most of the time when you are part of a certain sect you become subjected to imaginary walls that tell you what to believe.

now I said I'm a zaydi because it's the easiest thing I can "relate" to when engaging in a discussion.

as for what Zaydis believe, well, 2 main sects are in existence at this point in time. Mainly the group(majority) that believe in Imams having to have the "wasf" of 'Ali. Which means that they have to posses the attributes of him and what he did for instance;

rising with a sword

being an Alid either from Al-Husayn or al-Hasan

having religious knowledge and piety.

now the other group which namely was the Jarudiyya have become the Houthies. Now they have the same beliefs as mainstream Zaydis except that they curse the first 3. And it is a condition that they do. Their proof is in the Masa'il of Abu 'l Qasim(Imam Rassi) 

as for books they follow;

'Amaali Ahmad b. 'Isa

masa'il Abu 'l Qasim

musnad Zayd b. 'Ali

jami' al-Kafi 

to your question whether they follow Hanafi Fiqh then NO!

that is a grave misconception. While yes, some of the Fiqh is taken from Kufa because Muhammad b. Mansur was Kufan then you will notice some.

but I follow the opinions of Isma'il b. Ishaq who in the Amaali prayers a lot like Imamis with a little diffrences

Wow! Thank you for educating me!  Clearly I have a great deal to learn and much to read.  Jazaak Allah khair! :)

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On ‎11‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 9:49 PM, ChristianVisitor said:

I guess all the different Shia sects oppose the radical Salafi extremists like ISIS?

In fairness to our brothers and sisters who follow the 4 Sunni madahib, there are many voices against DAESH (ISIS).  The Shi'i are more likely to be unified in the opposition because Salafi/Wahhabi ideology is built upon the same virulent hatred of anything different than its view, and they believe that anything that differs from their view (whether Shi'a, Christian, Jewish) can be declared an unbeliever and their blood, family, and property are no longer sacred.

In the teachings of people like ibn Tamiyyah, it is better to kill us than to debate us.  :/

Sadly, the ideologies of ibn Tamiyyah are indistinguishable from the ideology of Saudi-Occupied-Arabia, and they spend a boatload of money trying to get those terrible views into the mainstream.  So yes, the Shi'i are definitely unified on that point, if little else.

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