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It takes so many shapes at the same time. Even our DNA stores biological information, dont know how information reach there, in a tiny chemical molecule. 

It starts journey from Allah in the form of noor, we acquire it from outside, through our sensory system. Wondering what is the chemistry of knowledge?

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3 minutes ago, Sajjad Zaidi said:

I think to understand the nature of knowledge, we need to look how Masoomeen (a.s) have defined & explained it.

Appreciate if anyone share the ahadith of Masoomeen (a.s) here.

Hadith:

Imam Sadiq : 

"Knowledge is not about studying much; rather it is a*** light***, cast within the heart (Aql) of someone whom Allah (SWT) wills to guide."

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21 minutes ago, certainclarity said:

Hadith:

Imam Sadiq : 

"Knowledge is not about studying much; rather it is a*** light***, cast within the heart (Aql) of someone whom Allah (SWT) wills to guide."

One may ask here that what is meant by " to know"? We study to know, while Imam describing it differently.

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7 minutes ago, Sajjad Zaidi said:

One may ask here that what is meant by " to know"? We study to know, while Imam describing it differently.

Correct me If I am wrong of I understood your question properly.

This is what I understood from your question regarding the Hadith.

He means it is not really about studying and reading much, but true knowledge is a light given to those he wishes to guide.

As you may know, there are a lot of people who study Islam deeply for years, yet they are not in unity on a topic.

So which view is right after so many years study?

This knowledge is from self analyzing and reaching a conclusion not divine gift in the form of light.

 

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1 hour ago, certainclarity said:

Correct me If I am wrong of I understood your question properly.

This is what I understood from your question regarding the Hadith.

He means it is not really about studying and reading much, but true knowledge is a light given to those he wishes to guide.

As you may know, there are a lot of people who study Islam deeply for years, yet they are not in unity on a topic.

So which view is right after so many years study?

This knowledge is from self analyzing and reaching a conclusion not divine gift in the form of light.

 

Correct, some times that noor takes different shapes too for instance, the words, like Quran given to Prophet (peace be upon him & his household) in the form of noor (42:52) and it took a different shape for us.

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:bismillah:

Salamon Alaikom, you can search the word 'ilm' in this link to get some hadith on this regard: http://mizan.hadith.net/

and other source: http://hadithdatabank.com/preview.php?mod=4&id=213

ـ الإمامُ الصّادقُ (عَلَيهِ الّسَلامُ): لَيسَ العِلمُبِالتَّعَلُّمِ، إنَّما هُوَ نورٌ يَقَعُ في قَلبِ مَن يُريدُ اللّه‏ُ تَبارَكَ وتَعالى أن يَهدِيَهُ، فإن أرَدتَ العِلمَفَاطلُب أوَّلاً في نَفسِكَ حَقيقَةَ العُبودِيَّةِ، وَاطلُبِ العِلمَ بِاستِعمالِهِ، وَاستَفهِمِ اللّهيُفهِمْك

124 - Imam al-Sadiq (A) said, ‘Knowledge is not acquired through learning. Rather it is a light that illuminates in the heart of one who wants Allah, Blessed and most High, to guide him. So if you want knowledge, first seek out within yourself true servitude [to Allah], and seek knowledge according to its use, and ask Allah to make you understand, and He will make you understand.’ [Bihar al-Anwar, v. 1, p. 225, no. 17] 

ـ رسولُ اللهِ‏ِ (صَلَّيَ اللهُ عَلَيهِ وَ آلِهِ): عِلمُ الباطِنِ سِرٌّ مِن أسرارِ اللّه‏ِ عَزَّوجلَّ ، وحُكمٌ مِن حُكمِ اللّه‏ِ ، يَقذِفُه في قُلوبِ مَن شاءَ مِن عِبادِهِ

136 - The Prophet (S) said, ‘The knowledge of the hidden is one of the secrets of Allah, Mighty and Exalted, and one of Allah’s commands which He divulges into the hearts of whom He wills from among His servants.’ [Kanz al-`Ummal, no. 28820] 

One can take help from the second hadith that in the first hadith with the word knowledge it means inner knowledge. The second hadith explains parts of the first hadith and in turn the first hadith explains parts of the second hadith and clarifies each other.

Knowledge is from عالم آمر, the 'spiritual world'. To try find the definition of knowledge, we must see what kind of definition we want, namely literal lexical - definition or terminological definition!

ـ الإمامُ الصّادقُ (عَلَيهِ الّسَلامُ): جاءَ رَجُلٌ إلى رَسولِ اللّه‏ِ (صَلَّيَ اللهُ عَلَيهِ وَ آلِهِ) فقالَ: يا رسولَ اللّه‏ِ ، ما العِلمُ ؟ قالَ: الإنصاتُ ، قالَ: ثُمَّ مَه ؟ قالَ: الاستِماعُ ، قالَ: ثُمَّ مَه ؟ قالَ: الحِفظُ ، قالَ: ثُمَّ مَه ؟ قالَ: العَمَلُ بِهِ ، قالَ: ثُمَّ مَه يارَسولَ اللّه‏ِ ؟ قالَ: نَشرُهُ 

125– Imam al-Sadiq (A) narrated, ‘A man once came to the Prophet (S) asking, ‘O Prophet of Allah, what is knowledge’ to which he replied, ‘Paying attention.’ The man asked, ‘Then what’ He replied, ‘Listening.’ He asked, ‘Then what’ The Prophet replied, ‘Learning.’ The man asked, ‘Then what’ He replied, ‘Acting upon it.’ He asked, ‘Then what O Prophet of Allah’ , to which he replied, ‘Spreading it.’ [al-Kafi, v. 1, p. 48, no. 4] 

عنه عليه السلام :لِقاحُ المَعرِفةِ دِراسَةُ العِلمِ ، لِقاحُ العِلمِ التَّصَوُّرُ و الفَهمُ
امام على عليه السلام : بارور شدن شناخت به تحصيل دانش است؛ بارور شدن دانش به تصوّر و فهم [درست و دقيق آن] است

غرر الحكم : 7622 و 7623

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:bismillah:

Thank you brother, to further clarify would like to mention more: 

پس عرض می‌کنم که غرض از خلق، عبودیت است «وَ ما خَلَقْتُ الْجِنَّ وَ الْإِنْسَ إِلاَّ لِيَعْبُدُون»۱، و حقیقت عبودیت ترک معصیت است در اعتقاد که عملِ قلب است و در عملِ جوارح. و ترک معصیت، حاصل نمی‌شود به‌طوری‌که ملکه شخص بشود، مگر با دوام مراقبه و یاد خدا در هر حال و زمان و مکان و در میان مردم و در خلوت «و لا أقول سبحان الله والحمد لله ، لکنه ذکر الله عند حلاله وحرامه.»

In here Ayatollah Bahjat says haqiqat ubudiyah is abstaining from sinning. Notes: http://bahjat.ir/fa/content/916

حضرت عيسي ‏عليه السلام: إنَّ الشَّجَرَةَ لا تَكمُلُ إلّا بِثَمَرَةٍ طَيِّبَةٍ كَذلِكَ لا يَكمُلُ الدِّينُ إلّا بِالتَّحَرُّجِ عَنِ المَحارِمِ
درخت كامل نمي‏شود مگر با ميوه‏اي گوارا. همچنين دين‏داري كامل نمي‏شود مگر با دوري از حرام‏ها
تحف العقول ، ص ۵۱۱ .

Prophet Jesus Peace upon Him: The tree does not complete its perfection but with tasteful fruits. Likewise, ones religion does not complete its perfection but with abstaining from forbidden things.

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On ‎8‎/‎28‎/‎2016 at 5:12 AM, certainclarity said:

Hadith:

Imam Sadiq : 

"Knowledge is not about studying much; rather it is a*** light***, cast within the heart (Aql) of someone whom Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى wills to guide."

First 5 Ayats of Sura 96. "Iqra..."

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2 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

what do you say about the chemistry of knowledge

I am not bothered with either chemistry or origin of knowledge, sorry. Make your own mind up.

But I will say this:

Knowledge without wisdom is a load of books on the back of an ass. 

The Ancient Greek aphorism “Know thyself" was inscribed in golden letters at the lintel of the entrance to the Temple of Apollo at Delphi (4th century B.C.)

It is the best advice that can be given to man or woman because ultimately to understand oneself is to understand other humans as well. 

The purpose of life becomes visible only through self-knowledge; Self-realization is the by far the most rewarding "quest".

Knowing one's own habits, morals, temperament and limits, makes you considerate, alert and wise.

Knowing yourself is true wisdom. 
 

:party:

 

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5 hours ago, Quisant said:

Knowledge without wisdom is a load of books on the back of an ass. 

:) No one can disagree with you on that.

5 hours ago, Quisant said:

The purpose of life becomes visible only through self-knowledge; Self-realization is the by far the most rewarding "quest".

Knowing one's own habits, morals, temperament and limits, makes you considerate, alert and wise.

Knowing yourself is true wisdom. 

What do you know about yourself?

Enlighten us if you know about the "Aalam e Kabeer". What relationship you think is there between self & wisdom? 

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14 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Enlighten us if you know about the "Aalam e Kabeer". What relationship you think is there between self & wisdom? 

I will pass on enlightening you;  some things cannot be told... they must be learned.
And if you were to become any cleverer you might also become more unbearable.  :)

 

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On 8/28/2016 at 3:54 AM, Engineer73 said:

It takes so many shapes at the same time. Even our DNA stores biological information, dont know how information reach there, in a tiny chemical molecule. 

It starts journey from Allah in the form of noor, we acquire it from outside, through our sensory system. Wondering what is the chemistry of knowledge?

All the Hadith you read are pointing to the simple fact that knowledge (be it whatever kind of knowledge), does not go through a "process".  So, knowledge, is also NOT a chemical process (it aint a chemistry) my friend.  Knowledge simply IS.  It is PRESENCE.  It is NOW.  It is ETERNAL.

 Secondly, knowledge is not "data", it isn't "information", it isn't "fact(s)".  Knowledge is consciousness, it is awareness, it is life.  Data, facts, and information are lifeless, inert, dead and unconscious.  

The analogy of light is often used in Hadith to talk about knowledge because light is not something visible but it makes other things visible.  You cannot see light itself, but you can see what light shines on.  In the same way, knowledge is a light through which you see everything.  Without knowledge everything is nothing but darkness or non-existent. 

Finally, there is no knower but God.

wallahu alam

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