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Why is Ayatollah Khamenei fatwas so conservative?

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On 7/1/2016 at 10:25 PM, starlight said:

@Shaykh Patience101 can you please refrain from saying unnecessary negative things : Leave shia Islam as fast as you can.

What would such comments achieve?? You think our Ai'ma would ever say this to someone ?

The OP asked a question , Khamenei forbids looking at women's made up faces in real life yet allows that on television. 

Instead of giving an answer that would clear away the doubts from his mind I don't understand why nearly everyone's gone defensive and started attacking him??  

So the OP can say that "aytaollah khameni fatwas are too conservative and bigoted", "the more i do my research on him and his fatwas, his outlook comes out to me as a political leader, who wants to control people's day to day life affairs to extreme, than a religious and spiritual scholar", "it is very clear that aytollah khameni intention is to try and control and confine iranian people and their day to day life affair", and insinuate throughout his posts that Ayatullah Khamenei showcases himself and is hence not fit to be seen as a proper religious scholar, and apparently I am in the fault for defending him? Is this where ShiaChat policies are now, that the mods choose to ignore the clear attacks on maraje slipped into these posts?

Do you really think the OP is trying to get a fiqhi answer? This is beyond ridiculous. All he's done in this entire thread is try to portray himself as more knowledgeable than Khamenei and his website and make fun of his fatawa, and somehow I'm the one crossing the line here.

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On 7/2/2016 at 5:45 AM, Caliguy said:

Leave aside the debate if i know or don't know who is the most learned marja. 

 

On 7/2/2016 at 5:45 AM, Caliguy said:

All these links you have posted, i have read them ages ago. I know more about them, than you can even imagine.

And delete pictures from this topic, i can already tell how ignorant you are from your words.

I apologize, your eminence. :hahaha: 

This is the kind of attitude you can't debate with- the attitude of someone who comes in with an agenda, not someone looking for answers.

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It is quite humorous that this a issue. I have seen more people (usually teenage or early-20s western coverts) actually criticize Khamenei of being "too liberal" just because his fiqh allows postmortem organ donation, chess, more relaxed rules on some interactions between sexes and he discourages his followers from publicly cursing Abu Bakr, Umar, Aisha, etc and considers the Namaz of a Shi'a, if they prayed behind a Sunni, to be valid.

And then there is this fixation on the transgender issue. They always try to liken Khamenei and Khomeini to "social justice warriors" and "Tumblrinas" because of that.

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On 7/3/2016 at 0:19 PM, Shaykh Patience101 said:

 

I apologize, your eminence. :hahaha: 

This is the kind of attitude you can't debate with- the attitude of someone who comes in with an agenda, not someone looking for answers.

Bro you need to go easy on that coffee, first you post those silly pictures and attack me on previous posts instead of arguing your points with logic. And now your accusing me by saying i am coming with an agenda and not looking for answers. I think you need to humble yourself, before trying to start a debate with me. 

Thanks for calling me Eminence :hahaha:

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21 minutes ago, Caliguy said:

Bro you need to go easy on that coffee, first you post those silly pictures and attack me on previous posts instead of arguing your points with logic. And now your accusing me by saying i am coming with an agenda and not looking for answers. I think you need to humble yourself, before trying to start a debate with me. 

Thanks for calling me Eminence :hahaha:

Are all of the English insults you know somehow related to coffee? The one who said "I know more than you can even imagine" probably shouldn't be telling others to humble themselves. Lastly, learn what sarcasm is.

I'm not wasting any more time reading your defamation of maraje.

Peace. 

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7 minutes ago, Shaykh Patience101 said:

Are all of the English insults you know somehow related to coffee? The one who said "I know more than you can even imagine" probably shouldn't be telling others to humble themselves. Lastly, learn what sarcasm is.

I'm not wasting any more time reading your defamation of maraje.

Peace. 

i never tried to defame any marja, its just i don't agree with some of his fatwa. A marja is a marja not infallible, if a marja were correct all the times. Than the marja won't contradict each others fatwa, as we all know most marja have different fatwas on day to day issues. 

Bro you started trolling first, when i was serious in getting answers.

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On 7/2/2016 at 7:45 AM, Caliguy said:

And delete pictures from this topic

@Caliguy Memes were removed as you requested. If you are comparing each marja because you are deciding which one to follow, that is great. However, it's impolite to tell other members that their marja is wrong on certain issues. A healthy discussion should not cause bad feelings among the members. 

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On 6/30/2016 at 3:39 AM, Caliguy said:

"he make it haram even in the case of necessity not even for few seconds to look at muslim womans face who has applied zinat on her face" at the same time his fatwa contradict it self. When he mentions it is okay to watch and work in dramas and movies where womans beautify themselves.

No it is not haram necessarily to look at the adorned face of a woman even with make up on. 

On his English website in the FAQ book it does say "it is haram even without lust" however I believe that is a mistranslation as those books I think are not written by the marja himself except possibly the practical laws book. It also could be a mistake that they have not fixed. I asked a sayed about this and he told me that fatwa could be for shaykh bahjat but it's not Khamenei's(ha). I asked a shaykh and a sayed who only spoke Arabic. I also sent istiftat in Arabic. And it confirmed what they were saying.

Edited by Al Hadi

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@Caliguy here is the istiftat 

?هل يحرم النظر الى المرأة الأجنبية التي زينت وجهها بغير ريبة

.إذا كان يستلزم إثارة الشهوة أو كان النظر بقصد التلذذ والريبة فلا يجوز النظر إلى وجهها، وإلا فلا مانع منه في نفسه

basically I asked if it was haram to look at a girls face who wears make up with no lust.

they answered if the looking itself brings lust then it's haram but if it doesn't bring lust you can look without the intention of a lustful gaze. So as long as you know that when you look at her beautified face it won't cause lustful feelings it is ok to look without the intention of lust. 

As for the drama on tv shows thing. I think Some ulema don't believe that seeing a woman on tv is the same as in real life so they may give it different rules. He doesn't allow lustful gazes of woman on tv though that's for sure. As for the details of what body parts you can and can't look at I would send istiftat. Also pornography is haram as well. 

Edited by Al Hadi

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Objective study and inspection is required 

If comparative fiqhi study is to be acquired 

You credit the cause of your concern as political

Try a conclusion less obvious and be more critical 

For in the methodology similarity you will find

So sit back, think and give it time

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On 6/29/2016 at 11:01 PM, Caliguy said:

Asalamalekum,

I have been reading practical laws of islam by khameni for few months now, and comparing his fatwas with ayatollah sistani and many other marjas. And noticing aytaollah khameni fatwas are too conservative and bigoted. You would be surprised if i told you that they have recently updated their website leader.ir after i notify to them, that their website is missing important fatwas. I respect Ayatollah Khameni, and not trying to bog down anyone who follow him, but the more i do my research on him and his fatwas, his outlook comes out to me as a political leader, who wants to control people's day to day life affairs to extreme, than a religious and spiritual scholar.

Some of his fatwas are contradicting not one, but up to 5 leading marjas from najaf and qum.

For example, Ayatollah Sistani gives permission;

wearing a tie, watching satellite tv, looking at woman's face who has applied make up muslims and non muslim without lust. At the same time ayatollah khameni have the opposite fatwas on these issues.

And it is very clear that aytollah khameni intention is to try and control and confine iranian people and their day to day life affairs. One thing i noticed in his fatwas is that "since this thing is associated with the low west" it is therefore haram. If you read islamic laws of other marjas you would notice that non of these marjas try to interfere in miniature stuff such as entertainment. If they do give fatwas on such stuff, it is very clear and logical. 

Sorry brother but your logic and thinking is completely wrong. It seems like Aytollah Khameni isnt the problem and the problem is actually your misunderstand or misinterpretation of what he said. What is the point of this post anyways?

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@Caliguy

forgive me I was wrong. It seems it is haram to look at her face with make up. I don't know if it's only the part of the face with the make or the whole thing, but I know that it's haram generally speaking at least.

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