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Sayed Muhammad Saadiq AlSader: "And from here Imam Al Mahdi pbuh will appoint a Khaleefa(successor)during his life, or at the end of his year,so that he will become the highest chief for the nation of the world of justice after him,and the first ruler from the period of the prefered and righteous ones of Allah" Mawsoo'a of Sayed Al Sader p.645 Tareekh Ma Ba'ad Al Thuhoor

As for the second aspect: What AlMajlesy mentioned is summarized to admitting the existence of infallible Imams pbut and righteous preferred ones in a society after the MAHDI pbuh that are existing. But the general rulership will be for the infallibles pbut."As for the preferred ones, they will be working in this world during a second degree and so the conflict of the narrations will be lifted. And I want to clear out from what was mentioned in this aspect is that the narrations about the preferred ones is clear in that they will continue to rule on a higher level whereby relinquishing this evidence is a false interpretation like the saying:"From Ahlulbayt there will be a man ruling" or the saying:"And if he reaches death let him hand -meaning the Imamate and successorship to his son the first of the Mahdis" or the saying:"O Allah prayers be upon the guardians of his promise and the Imams after him" and what is near to that in another supplication.
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1 hour ago, Mr. Anderson said:

Sayed Muhammad Saadiq AlSader: "And from here Imam Al Mahdi pbuh will appoint a Khaleefa(successor)during his life, or at the end of his year,so that he will become the highest chief for the nation of the world of justice after him,and the first ruler from the period of the prefered and righteous ones of Allah" Mawsoo'a of Sayed Al Sader p.645 Tareekh Ma Ba'ad Al Thuhoor

I am assuming you are capable of basic comprehension?

will the successor of Imam Mahdi succeed Imam Mahdi, or precede him? 

you realise that the awaited imam (atfs) has not returned yet, so his time of return has not come yet, so how is he able to appoint your leader as his successor?

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3 hours ago, Mr. Anderson said:

Sayed Muhammad Saadiq AlSader: "And from here Imam Al Mahdi pbuh will appoint a Khaleefa(successor)during his life, or at the end of his year,so that he will become the highest chief for the nation of the world of justice after him,and the first ruler from the period of the prefered and righteous ones of Allah" Mawsoo'a of Sayed Al Sader p.645 Tareekh Ma Ba'ad Al Thuhoor
 

Salamun alaykum.

Sayed Muhammad Saadiq Al-Sader is not approving what you are looking for.

The phrases " at the end of his year " and " after him" clearly shows that he is talking about the time when Imam Mahdi (as) has already reappeared and it has nothing to do with major occultation.

 

BTW, did you prove that follower of Nasser Mohammad Al-Yemeni wrong?

First, reject his claims and then make new claims.

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3 hours ago, Mr. Anderson said:

Sayed Muhammad Saadiq AlSader: "And from here Imam Al Mahdi pbuh will appoint a Khaleefa(successor)during his life, or at the end of his year,so that he will become the highest chief for the nation of the world of justice after him,and the first ruler from the period of the prefered and righteous ones of Allah" Mawsoo'a of Sayed Al Sader p.645 Tareekh Ma Ba'ad Al Thuhoor

As for the second aspect: What AlMajlesy mentioned is summarized to admitting the existence of infallible Imams pbut and righteous preferred ones in a society after the MAHDI pbuh that are existing. But the general rulership will be for the infallibles pbut."As for the preferred ones, they will be working in this world during a second degree and so the conflict of the narrations will be lifted. And I want to clear out from what was mentioned in this aspect is that the narrations about the preferred ones is clear in that they will continue to rule on a higher level whereby relinquishing this evidence is a false interpretation like the saying:"From Ahlulbayt there will be a man ruling" or the saying:"And if he reaches death let him hand -meaning the Imamate and successorship to his son the first of the Mahdis" or the saying:"O Allah prayers be upon the guardians of his promise and the Imams after him" and what is near to that in another supplication.
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and one more point:

These narrations may refer to Imams (like Imam Husain as) who, based on the doctrine of raj'a, will return after the reappearance of Imam Mahdi (as). So these Imam would succed Imam Mahdi (as).

Imam Sadiq (as) says:

َ عَنِ الْمُعَلَّى بْنِ خُنَيْسٍ قَالَ قَالَ لِي أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع أَوَّلُ مَنْ يَرْجِعُ إِلَى الدُّنْيَا الْحُسَيْنُ بْنُ عَلِيٍّ ع فَيَمْلِكُ حَتَّى يَسْقُطَ حَاجِبَاهُ عَلَى عَيْنَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِبَرِ

 بحارالأنوار ج : 53 ص : 46


So Imam Husain (as) will rule for a very long time.

Allama Majlisi also refers to this notion as one of the explanations for the narrations of 12 Mahdis although he considers these narrations as against the famous viewpoint:

 بيان هذه الأخبار مخالفة للمشهور و طريق التأويل أحد وجهين. الأول أن يكون المراد بالاثني عشر مهديا النبي ص و سائر الأئمة سوى القائم ع بأن يكون ملكهم بعد القائم ع

 بحارالأنوار ج : 53 ص : 148


So based on this explanation, 12 Mahdis refer to Prophet Muhammad and 11 Imams (from Imam Ali to Imam 'Askari) who will return and rule after Imam Mahdi (as).

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50 minutes ago, amirhosein_88 said:

Salamun alaykum.

Sayed Muhammad Saadiq Al-Sader is not approving what you are looking for.

The phrases " at the end of his year " and " after him" clearly shows that he is talking about the time when Imam Mahdi (as) has already reappeared and it has nothing to do with major occultation.

Wa aleikom salam,

Shahid al-Sadr r.a. is approving something very important, which millions of Shias don't accept. First he approves that the Twelth pbuh is not the last Hujja of Allah swt and there will be an infallable Imam after him and second he approves the Will of Rasulullah sawas on the night of his death where the Prophet sawas describes that infallable Successor of the Twelth pbuh and that his name is Ahmed pbuh. 

And the Shahid r.a. gave two options, and this was before he met Imam al-Mahdi pbuh and before he was sent to the Hawza by the Imam pbuh, and this was very close to the martyrdom of Sayeed al-Sadr when he got extra knowledge from Imam al-Mahdi pbuh which he revelaed to his companions, that the Messenger of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh which was already present in 1999 is from Basra, and this is what the Shias should be looking for. 

Sayeed al-Sadr r.a. gave two options - during the life  of the Imam pbuh OR at the end of his year.

Sayed Muhammad Saadiq AlSader: "And from here Imam Al Mahdi pbuh will appoint a Khaleefa(successor)during his life, or at the end of his year,so that he will become the highest chief for the nation of the world of justice after him,and the first ruler from the period of the prefered and righteous ones of Allah" Mawsoo'a of Sayed Al Sader p.645 Tareekh Ma Ba'ad Al Thuhoor

So "during the life" of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh doesn't constrict to after the reappearence of the Imam pbuh because now, during his Major occultation is still part of during his life as the Imam pbuh is alive and well alhamdulillah. 

As to "after him" - yes the Imams sons of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh will rule after him, because Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the Hujja of Allah swt at this present time, but this doesn't contradict the fact that the Imam after him which is Ahmed pbuh from Prophet's Will is sent before Imam al-Mahdi pbuh.

Mufathel ibn Umar from Abi Abdullah a.s:"The companion of the affair has two occultations, one of them will be long,until some of them will say he died and some of them will say he is killed and some of them will say he left.Until nothing is left from his affar except a small part of his companions and nobody will know about his affair not even his children nor anybody else except the Master that will succeed his affair" AlGaiba LilToosi p.161

The Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh who is an Imam after Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the only one to know about the affair of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh during the Major Ghayba, so we have the Imam pbuh after Imam al-Mahdi pbuh present during the Long occultation.

The Prophet Muhammad pbuhap said to Ali bin Abi Talib on the night of his death: "... Then if death approaches him, let him hand it over to his son, Muhammad the Entrusted of the Holy Family of Muhammad peace be upon them. So these are the twelve Imams. Then after him, there will be twelve Mahdis. So if death approaches him, let him hand it over to his son, the first of the close ones, he has three names, one like mine and my father’s: Abdullah (servant of Allah), Ahmad and the third name is The Mahdi (rightly guided). He is the first of the believers.”  Sheikh Al-Toosi, Al-Ghayba p.150

So the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the first believer in Imam al-Mahdi pbuh, he is 1 of 313. So it is very clear that he is the first believer in Imam al-Mahdi pbuh, so he cannot appear at the end of the life of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh.  Rather the Successor and Vicegerent of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is sent to his people before him like Aaron pbuh was sent to the land of message of Moses pbuh before Moses pbuh. 

Vicegerent sent before the Hujja.

Imam Ahmed al-Hasan pbuh has said: "(...This is Aaron, he was sent to Egypt before Moses, and by a clear Qu'ranic text: {And when your Lord called Moses, [saying]: Go to the wrongdoing people * The people of Pharaoh. Will they not fear Allah? * He said, "My Lord, indeed I fear that they will belie me * And that my chest will tighten and my tongue will not be fluent, so send to Aaron} [Surat Al-Shu'araa 26:10-13] These verses clarify that Moses requested from Allah to send to Aron, meaning, to inform Aron just like He (swt) informed him. And the call started by Aaron, and he prepared the people to receive Moses {[Allah] said, "No. Go both of you with Our signs; indeed, We are with you, listening.} [Surat Al-Shu'araa' 26:15] . This verse clarify that Allah answered the request of Moses (a.s), not only that, rather, Aaron was the one who remained undertaking the confrontation/encounter {So the magicians fell down in prostration. They said, "We have believed in the Lord of Aaron and Moses."} [Surat Taha 20:70]. Aaron came [in the previous verse] before Moses; because he was the one who faced them, and Aaron the Vicegerent of Moses was sent in the Land of the Message and it is Egypt, before Moses, rather he remained pronouncing and confronting, while Moses was present; because Moses asked for that. But Moses was the Proof upon him so Aaron would not pronounce except by the command of Moses { And that my chest will tighten and my tongue will not be fluent, so send to Aaron}

Moses, what is he requesting? Who was the speaker? He requested that the speaker be Aaron, and Allah answered him, to the point where the magicians said they believed in Aaron before Moses, have you paid attention to that {So the magicians fell down in prostration. They said, "We have believed in the Lord of Aaron and Moses."}?..."

 

1 hour ago, amirhosein_88 said:

and one more point:

These narrations may refer to Imams (like Imam Husain as) who, based on the doctrine of raj'a, will return after the reappearance of Imam Mahdi (as). So these Imam would succed Imam Mahdi (as).

Imam Sadiq (as) says:

َ عَنِ الْمُعَلَّى بْنِ خُنَيْسٍ قَالَ قَالَ لِي أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع أَوَّلُ مَنْ يَرْجِعُ إِلَى الدُّنْيَا الْحُسَيْنُ بْنُ عَلِيٍّ ع فَيَمْلِكُ حَتَّى يَسْقُطَ حَاجِبَاهُ عَلَى عَيْنَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِبَرِ

 بحارالأنوار ج : 53 ص : 46


So Imam Husain (as) will rule for a very long time.

Allama Majlisi also refers to this notion as one of the explanations for the narrations of 12 Mahdis although he considers these narrations as against the famous viewpoint:

 بيان هذه الأخبار مخالفة للمشهور و طريق التأويل أحد وجهين. الأول أن يكون المراد بالاثني عشر مهديا النبي ص و سائر الأئمة سوى القائم ع بأن يكون ملكهم بعد القائم ع

 بحارالأنوار ج : 53 ص : 148


So based on this explanation, 12 Mahdis refer to Prophet Muhammad and 11 Imams (from Imam Ali to Imam 'Askari) who will return and rule after Imam Mahdi (as).

 

Sayeed al-Sadr r.a. has also commented on this matter. 

"We did not find-from what we know-sufficient evidence about the return of all the 12 Imams, not in an opposite way or in an ambiguous way. Only a Nas(hadeeth/text) after the Prophet s.a.w.w to the Prince of the believers pbuh and his son AlHussain pbuh. And if it is not proven about all the 12 Imams, how can one use these reports?"
Tareekh Ma Ba'ad AlThohoor page 641
Sayed Muhammad Muhammad Saadiq AlSadr

إننا لم نجد – كماعرفنا ـ دليلاً كافياً على 
عودة الأئمة الإثنا عشر كلهم ، لا بشكل عكسي 
ولا بشكل مشوش ،وإنما نص فقط – بعد النبي (ص)
– على امير المؤمنين (ع) وابنه الحسين (ع) .
وإذا لم يثبت رجوع الأئمة الإثنا عشر جميعاً 
كيف يمكن حمل هذه الأخبار عليه

And also how can Imam Hussain pbuh be the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh when Prophet Mohammed pbuhap has clearly stated that the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is his Son and his name is Ahmed pbuh.

The Prophet Muhammad pbuhap said to Ali bin Abi Talib on the night of his death: "... Then if death approaches him, let him hand it over to his son, Muhammad the Entrusted of the Holy Family of Muhammad peace be upon them. So these are the twelve Imams. Then after him, there will be twelve Mahdis. So if death approaches him, let him hand it over to his son, the first of the close ones, he has three names, one like mine and my father’s: Abdullah (servant of Allah), Ahmad and the third name is The Mahdi (rightly guided). He is the first of the believers.”  Sheikh Al-Toosi, Al-Ghayba p.150

Also how can Imam Hussain pbuh be the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh when Ahlulbayt pbut have clearly stated that the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh will be from the progeny of Imam Hussain pbuh. It is obvious Imam Hussain pbuh is not a son of himself or from his own progeny, and it is obvious that Imam Ali pbuh is not a son of Imam Hussain pbuh. 

Imam Al Saadeq pbuh said:"After the Riser there will be 12 Mahdis from the son of Hussein" p.385/Burhan v.3 p.310/Bihar AlAnwar v.53 p.148 

Abi Abdullah [pbuh] said: “from among us 12 Mahdies after the Qa’im [pbuh] from the progeny of Hussain [pbuh]” –Muntakhab Al-Anwar Al-Mude’ah, Sayyed Baha’a Al-Deen Al-Najafi p.353-354

Prophet Mohammed pbuhap is not a son of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh, rather Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the son of the Prophet pbuhap, and the Prophet pbuhap can't be from the progeny of Imam Hussain pbuh.

 

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Blasphemy Rule:

It is not allowed for anyone to come to ShiaChat and do the following:

1) Claim to be Imam Mahdi(afs)

2) Claim to be a deputy of Imam Mahdi(afs), or actively promote someone who claims to be either Imam Mahdi(afs) or a deputy of Imam Mahdi(afs) or a direct biological descendant of Imam Mahdi(afs).

3) Claim to have been visited by Imam Mahdi(afs).

I'll report this to admin and if you continue this nonsense I hope you can get banned.

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Mr.Anderson, Sayyid Al-Sadr meant that Imam Al-Mahdi will appoint a successor, just like the prophet [صل الله عليه واله] appointed Imam Ali عليه السلام as his successor. Imam Ali wasn't a prophet. So Imam Al-Mahdi's عجل الله له الفرج successor isn't a Hujja either.

Stop twisting our great scholar's words to suit your propaganda.

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1 hour ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

Mr.Anderson, Sayyid Al-Sadr meant that Imam Al-Mahdi will appoint a successor, just like the prophet [صل الله عليه واله] appointed Imam Ali عليه السلام as his successor. Imam Ali wasn't a prophet. So Imam Al-Mahdi's عجل الله له الفرج successor isn't a Hujja either.

Stop twisting our great scholar's words to suit your propaganda.

So according to you anybody can be a Caliph, the Caliph doesn't need to be a Hujja of Allah swt, like Sunnis claim that Abu Bakr and Omar are rightful Caliph because the Caliph of Allah swt doesn't need to be an Infallable and appointed by Allah swt. And the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is written by name Ahmed pbuh and with his title Mahdi by the Prophet pbuhap 1400 years ago, and only an Infallable from Ahlulbayt pbut can become the Successor of an Infallable from Ahlulbayt pbut and can be given the title of Mahdi rightly guided.  And Sayeed al-Sadr r.a. has made it clear in his saying that the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is an Infallable and he is the highest chief of the nation, which is a position that only a Hujja of Allah swt can hold.

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7 hours ago, Mr. Anderson said:

Wa aleikom salam,

Shahid al-Sadr r.a. is approving something very important, which millions of Shias don't accept. First he approves that the Twelth pbuh is not the last Hujja of Allah swt and there will be an infallable Imam after him and second he approves the Will of Rasulullah sawas on the night of his death where the Prophet sawas describes that infallable Successor of the Twelth pbuh and that his name is Ahmed pbuh. 

And the Shahid r.a. gave two options, and this was before he met Imam al-Mahdi pbuh and before he was sent to the Hawza by the Imam pbuh, and this was very close to the martyrdom of Sayeed al-Sadr when he got extra knowledge from Imam al-Mahdi pbuh which he revelaed to his companions, that the Messenger of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh which was already present in 1999 is from Basra, and this is what the Shias should be looking for. 

Sayeed al-Sadr r.a. gave two options - during the life  of the Imam pbuh OR at the end of his year.

Sayed Muhammad Saadiq AlSader: "And from here Imam Al Mahdi pbuh will appoint a Khaleefa(successor)during his life, or at the end of his year,so that he will become the highest chief for the nation of the world of justice after him,and the first ruler from the period of the prefered and righteous ones of Allah" Mawsoo'a of Sayed Al Sader p.645 Tareekh Ma Ba'ad Al Thuhoor

So "during the life" of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh doesn't constrict to after the reappearence of the Imam pbuh because now, during his Major occultation is still part of during his life as the Imam pbuh is alive and well alhamdulillah. 

As to "after him" - yes the Imams sons of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh will rule after him, because Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the Hujja of Allah swt at this present time, but this doesn't contradict the fact that the Imam after him which is Ahmed pbuh from Prophet's Will is sent before Imam al-Mahdi pbuh.

Mufathel ibn Umar from Abi Abdullah a.s:"The companion of the affair has two occultations, one of them will be long,until some of them will say he died and some of them will say he is killed and some of them will say he left.Until nothing is left from his affar except a small part of his companions and nobody will know about his affair not even his children nor anybody else except the Master that will succeed his affair" AlGaiba LilToosi p.161

The Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh who is an Imam after Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the only one to know about the affair of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh during the Major Ghayba, so we have the Imam pbuh after Imam al-Mahdi pbuh present during the Long occultation.

The Prophet Muhammad pbuhap said to Ali bin Abi Talib on the night of his death: "... Then if death approaches him, let him hand it over to his son, Muhammad the Entrusted of the Holy Family of Muhammad peace be upon them. So these are the twelve Imams. Then after him, there will be twelve Mahdis. So if death approaches him, let him hand it over to his son, the first of the close ones, he has three names, one like mine and my father’s: Abdullah (servant of Allah), Ahmad and the third name is The Mahdi (rightly guided). He is the first of the believers.”  Sheikh Al-Toosi, Al-Ghayba p.150

So the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the first believer in Imam al-Mahdi pbuh, he is 1 of 313. So it is very clear that he is the first believer in Imam al-Mahdi pbuh, so he cannot appear at the end of the life of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh.  Rather the Successor and Vicegerent of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is sent to his people before him like Aaron pbuh was sent to the land of message of Moses pbuh before Moses pbuh. 

Vicegerent sent before the Hujja.

Imam Ahmed al-Hasan pbuh has said: "(...This is Aaron, he was sent to Egypt before Moses, and by a clear Qu'ranic text: {And when your Lord called Moses, [saying]: Go to the wrongdoing people * The people of Pharaoh. Will they not fear Allah? * He said, "My Lord, indeed I fear that they will belie me * And that my chest will tighten and my tongue will not be fluent, so send to Aaron} [Surat Al-Shu'araa 26:10-13] These verses clarify that Moses requested from Allah to send to Aron, meaning, to inform Aron just like He (swt) informed him. And the call started by Aaron, and he prepared the people to receive Moses {[Allah] said, "No. Go both of you with Our signs; indeed, We are with you, listening.} [Surat Al-Shu'araa' 26:15] . This verse clarify that Allah answered the request of Moses (a.s), not only that, rather, Aaron was the one who remained undertaking the confrontation/encounter {So the magicians fell down in prostration. They said, "We have believed in the Lord of Aaron and Moses."} [Surat Taha 20:70]. Aaron came [in the previous verse] before Moses; because he was the one who faced them, and Aaron the Vicegerent of Moses was sent in the Land of the Message and it is Egypt, before Moses, rather he remained pronouncing and confronting, while Moses was present; because Moses asked for that. But Moses was the Proof upon him so Aaron would not pronounce except by the command of Moses { And that my chest will tighten and my tongue will not be fluent, so send to Aaron}

Moses, what is he requesting? Who was the speaker? He requested that the speaker be Aaron, and Allah answered him, to the point where the magicians said they believed in Aaron before Moses, have you paid attention to that {So the magicians fell down in prostration. They said, "We have believed in the Lord of Aaron and Moses."}?..."

 

 

Sayeed al-Sadr r.a. has also commented on this matter. 

"We did not find-from what we know-sufficient evidence about the return of all the 12 Imams, not in an opposite way or in an ambiguous way. Only a Nas(hadeeth/text) after the Prophet s.a.w.w to the Prince of the believers pbuh and his son AlHussain pbuh. And if it is not proven about all the 12 Imams, how can one use these reports?"
Tareekh Ma Ba'ad AlThohoor page 641
Sayed Muhammad Muhammad Saadiq AlSadr

إننا لم نجد – كماعرفنا ـ دليلاً كافياً على 
عودة الأئمة الإثنا عشر كلهم ، لا بشكل عكسي 
ولا بشكل مشوش ،وإنما نص فقط – بعد النبي (ص)
– على امير المؤمنين (ع) وابنه الحسين (ع) .
وإذا لم يثبت رجوع الأئمة الإثنا عشر جميعاً 
كيف يمكن حمل هذه الأخبار عليه

And also how can Imam Hussain pbuh be the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh when Prophet Mohammed pbuhap has clearly stated that the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is his Son and his name is Ahmed pbuh.

The Prophet Muhammad pbuhap said to Ali bin Abi Talib on the night of his death: "... Then if death approaches him, let him hand it over to his son, Muhammad the Entrusted of the Holy Family of Muhammad peace be upon them. So these are the twelve Imams. Then after him, there will be twelve Mahdis. So if death approaches him, let him hand it over to his son, the first of the close ones, he has three names, one like mine and my father’s: Abdullah (servant of Allah), Ahmad and the third name is The Mahdi (rightly guided). He is the first of the believers.”  Sheikh Al-Toosi, Al-Ghayba p.150

Also how can Imam Hussain pbuh be the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh when Ahlulbayt pbut have clearly stated that the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh will be from the progeny of Imam Hussain pbuh. It is obvious Imam Hussain pbuh is not a son of himself or from his own progeny, and it is obvious that Imam Ali pbuh is not a son of Imam Hussain pbuh. 

Imam Al Saadeq pbuh said:"After the Riser there will be 12 Mahdis from the son of Hussein" p.385/Burhan v.3 p.310/Bihar AlAnwar v.53 p.148 

Abi Abdullah [pbuh] said: “from among us 12 Mahdies after the Qa’im [pbuh] from the progeny of Hussain [pbuh]” –Muntakhab Al-Anwar Al-Mude’ah, Sayyed Baha’a Al-Deen Al-Najafi p.353-354

Prophet Mohammed pbuhap is not a son of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh, rather Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is the son of the Prophet pbuhap, and the Prophet pbuhap can't be from the progeny of Imam Hussain pbuh.

 

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Anderson said:

So according to you anybody can be a Caliph, the Caliph doesn't need to be a Hujja of Allah swt, like Sunnis claim that Abu Bakr and Omar are rightful Caliph because the Caliph of Allah swt doesn't need to be an Infallable and appointed by Allah swt. And the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is written by name Ahmed pbuh and with his title Mahdi by the Prophet pbuhap 1400 years ago, and only an Infallable from Ahlulbayt pbut can become the Successor of an Infallable from Ahlulbayt pbut and can be given the title of Mahdi rightly guided.  And Sayeed al-Sadr r.a. has made it clear in his saying that the Successor of Imam al-Mahdi pbuh is an Infallable and he is the highest chief of the nation, which is a position that only a Hujja of Allah swt can hold.

Salamun alaykum.

Dear brother! As you know one of the main arguments of Ahmad al-Hasan and his followers is the will of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Let's once and for all study this narration; both it chain and the content.

So we begin with the chain of narration:

أخبرنا جماعة عن أبي عبد الله الحسين بن علي بن سفيان البزوفري عن علي بن سنان الموصلي العدل عن علي بن الحسين عن أحمد بن محمد بن الخليل عن جعفر بن أحمد المصري عن عمه الحسن بن علي عن أبيه عن أبي عبد الله جعفر بن محمد


  الغيبةللطوسي ص : 150

Now the problems of the chain:

1. Shaykh tusi narrates from Jama'a ( a group) which means that the first people in this chain are unknown.

2. There is no mention of علي بن سنان الموصلي in the books of Rijal and he is not in the chain of any narration in al-Kutub al-'Arba'ah. This makes him unknown (majhul) as well. Also some scholars believe that he is Sunni since العدل is usually used for Sunni narrators.

3. The same is true for the next 2 narrators علي بن الحسين and  أحمد بن محمد بن الخليل  and therefore, they are completely majhul as well.

4. There is no mention of جعفر بن أحمد المصري in the books of Rijal and he is not in the chain of any narration in al-Kutub al-'Arba'ah. This makes him unknown (majhul) as well .

5. الحسن بن علي and his father are unknown too.

 

This means that except for الحسين بن علي بن سفيان البزوفري, all the other narrators are unknown. This makes the narration unreliable.

So why we have to make such narration as a foundation for a school and reject all those authentic narrations which reject the content of the narration and the likes of it?

As for the content, I will refer to various problems in it later iA.

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