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Bismillah.

Salaam.

To survey the Bahāʼī prophecies we are supposed to refer to their own sources; I mention some of those here:

1.   In his book "Dalāʼil al-Sabʻah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bāb (the founder of Bābīsm and one of three central figures of the Bahāʼī Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.

You see that this prophecy has not happened yet while his claim dates back to more than 100 years ago.

The story gets interesting when we see that 20 years after this claim, the main leader of Bahāʼīs, Mirza Husain Ali confessed in his book "ʼIqān" (p.68) that no one has believed in Bāb unless few people.

2.   In the second claim, Bāb declared that all European people will believe in his religion soon.

This claim had happened on 1365 A.H. while he was not able to answer the scholarly questions of Tabrizi scholars and such vain speeches of him made a great dispute among scholars that whether he is insane or not? So Dr. Kurmik came to him and he quoted the above-mentioned claim from Bāb. (Hadhrat Nuqtah ʼUlā, p.294-295).

And there are other prophecies claimed by Mirza Husain Ali Nūrī that have never happened.

With Duas.

Narsis.

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37 minutes ago, narsis said:

Bismillah.

 

Salaam.

 

To survey the Bahāʼī prophecies we are supposed to refer to their own sources; I mention some of those here:

 

1.   In his book "Dalāʼil al-Sabʻah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bāb (the founder of Bābīsm and one of three central figures of the Bahāʼī Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.

 

You see that this prophecy has not happened yet while his claim dates back to more than 100 years ago.

 

The story gets interesting when we see that 20 years after this claim, the main leader of Bahāʼīs, Mirza Husain Ali confessed in his book "ʼIqān" (p.68) that no one has believed in Bāb unless few people.

 

2.   In the second claim, Bāb declared that all European people will believe in his religion soon.

 

This claim had happened on 1365 A.H. while he was not able to answer the scholarly questions of Tabrizi scholars and such vain speeches of him made a great dispute among scholars that whether he is insane or not? So Dr. Kurmik came to him and he quoted the above-mentioned claim from Bāb. (Hadhrat Nuqtah ʼUlā, p.294-295).

 

And there are other prophecies claimed by Mirza Husain Ali Nūrī that have never happened.

 

With Duas.

 

Narsis.

Thank you very much :) . Could you give me other fake prophecies of the bab ? 

And well you didnt said to me what do you think about the prophecies mentionned in the wikipedia link.

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As for the prediction " The time is two years hence, when only a spark will set aflame the whole of Europe... by 1917 kingdoms will fall and cataclysms will rock the earth." - this is not the authentic words of Abdu'l-Baha. He did warn of the imminent war in Europe, and once the war had began, people noticed that he had been warning of it two years earlier, and these words were attributed to him.  I have traced the sources of the story in detail on my Bahai Studies blog, at :
https://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/1917-and-all-that/

However the following warning on that wikipedia page is accurate. It is from a long letter of Abdu'l-Baha which is available in Persian and has been translated in full. I will give the bit about the Balkans with a bit more context:

 

 

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Praise be to Him, ye are acquainted with the various laws, institutions and principles of the world; today nothing short of these divine teachings can assure peace and tranquillity to mankind. But for these teachings, this darkness shall never vanish, these chronic diseases shall never be healed; nay, they shall grow fiercer from day to day. The Balkans will remain discontented. Its restlessness will increase. The vanquished Powers will continue to agitate.  They will resort to every measure that may rekindle the flame of war. Movements, newly-born and world-wide in their range, will exert their utmost effort for the advancement of their designs. The Movement of the Left will acquire great importance. Its influence will spread.

Strive ye, therefore, with the help of God, with illumined minds and hearts and a strength born of heaven, to become a bestowal from God to man, and to call into being for all humankind, comfort and peace.

    (Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 249-250)

 

 

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2 hours ago, alidu78 said:

... In his book "Dalāʼil al-Sabʻah" (p.30-31), ...

I found a copy of the Seven Proofs of the Bab online, and searched through it, but I did not find these statements of the Bab. An English translation of the book is online, and I also looked at the French translation by Nicolas. I looked just at pages 30 & 31 of a Persian text that is online, and again found nothing like this.

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added "In his book "Dalāʼil al-Sabʻah" (p.30-31),"

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58 minutes ago, Sen McGlinn said:

I found a copy of the Seven Proofs of the Bab online, and searched through it, but I did not find these statements of the Bab. An English translation of the book is online, and I also looked at the French translation by Nicolas. I looked just at pages 30 & 31 of a Persian text that is online, and again found nothing like this.

Are you yourself bahai ?

I heard also that the bab said that most of the jews in iran will soon convert to bahaism. Is it true ?

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13 hours ago, narsis said:

Bismillah.

 

Salaam.

 

To survey the Bahāʼī prophecies we are supposed to refer to their own sources; I mention some of those here:

 

1.   In his book "Dalāʼil al-Sabʻah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bāb (the founder of Bābīsm and one of three central figures of the Bahāʼī Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.

 

You see that this prophecy has not happened yet while his claim dates back to more than 100 years ago.

 

The story gets interesting when we see that 20 years after this claim, the main leader of Bahāʼīs, Mirza Husain Ali confessed in his book "ʼIqān" (p.68) that no one has believed in Bāb unless few people.

 

Well Narsis are you sure of your statement ?

Because Sen is not agree :D

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8 hours ago, Sen McGlinn said:

I found a copy of the Seven Proofs of the Bab online, and searched through it, but I did not find these statements of the Bab. An English translation of the book is online, and I also looked at the French translation by Nicolas. I looked just at pages 30 & 31 of a Persian text that is online, and again found nothing like this.

This is the statement:

و عن قریب فوق اکراس بیان و اعراش آن، متدققین از علمای آن و محققین از حکمای آن، به ذکر آن افتخار نمایند

You can read more here:

http://bahaipajoohi.ir/article/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B1%D8%B3%DB%8C-%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%A6%DB%8C-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%B1%D9%87%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C

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Really God the wise maybe just tested him, gave him some correct information about the future. We need to look at his sayings if they are consistent with different religious scriptures (since he claimed all religions came from one source) and they are not.

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19 hours ago, narsis said:

This is the statement:

و عن قریب فوق اکراس بیان و اعراش آن، متدققین از علمای آن و محققین از حکمای آن، به ذکر آن افتخار نمایند

You can read more here:

http://bahaipajoohi.ir/article/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B1%D8%B3%DB%8C-%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%A6%DB%8C-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%B1%D9%87%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C

17 hours ago, narsis said:

This is the statement:

و عن قریب فوق اکراس بیان و اعراش آن، متدققین از علمای آن و محققین از حکمای آن، به ذکر آن افتخار نمایند

You can read more here:

http://bahaipajoohi.ir/article/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B1%D8%B3%DB%8C-%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%A6%DB%8C-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%B1%D9%87%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C

 

On 14/05/2016 at 7:59 PM, alidu78 said:

Are you yourself bahai ?

I heard also that the bab said that most of the jews in iran will soon convert to bahaism. Is it true ?

Yes. I am a Bahai. I have not heard that the Bab prophesied the conversion of the Jews in Iran. Many have converted, and so have many Zoroastrians - but this could be a prophecy after the fact. First they converted, then someone said that the Bab prophesied it.

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The original claim was :

In his book "Dala'il al-Sab’ah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bab (the founder of Babism and one of three central figures of the Baha'i Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.I found a Persian edition of  "Dala'il al-Sab’ah" with something like this statement on pages 30-31, but it is nothing like the Persian text you posted. The Persian text is here,

http://www.bayanic.com/showPict.php?id=seven&ref=47&err=0&curr=47

on the last line and onto the next page,

The English translation is here:
http://bahai-library.com/bab_nicolas_terry_proofs
on page 24 last two paragraphs:
 

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Imagine the creatures that live today as if they were living at the  time of Muhammad.  At the epoch in which this Sun arose, whoever accepted it was accepted in His turn. Their acceptance was such, relative to  the preceding  Manifestations,  that  God  approved  of  their  change  of  faith  and  accorded  them saintliness. How perfect is the grace of God and how far men are from it!  How much they wish they had been of those who had heard a single verse issue from the mouth of Muhammad, and today when these verses descend from the heaven of the divine mercy like a spring shower, nobody listens to them! With the passage of time, the Bayánis (Bábis) will form also the same wishes, but they will be put to the test by the Man Yazhiruhu'llah!


 

It is a prediction - but it is a prediction that his own followers will come to say, "I wish I had lived in the time of the Bab and been among his first disciples," but then they will reject "Man Yazhiruhu'llah" (he whom God will manifest, the next Manifestation of God) and so miss their chance to be among the early disciples and Companions.

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3 hours ago, Sen McGlinn said:

The original claim was :

In his book "Dala'il al-Sab’ah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bab (the founder of Babism and one of three central figures of the Baha'i Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.I found a Persian edition of  "Dala'il al-Sab’ah" with something like this statement on pages 30-31, but it is nothing like the Persian text you posted. The Persian text is here,

http://www.bayanic.com/showPict.php?id=seven&ref=47&err=0&curr=47

on the last line and onto the next page,

The English translation is here:
http://bahai-library.com/bab_nicolas_terry_proofs
on page 24 last two paragraphs:
 

It is a prediction - but it is a prediction that his own followers will come to say, "I wish I had lived in the time of the Bab and been among his first disciples," but then they will reject "Man Yazhiruhu'llah" (he whom God will manifest, the next Manifestation of God) and so miss their chance to be among the early disciples and Companions.

You know I have received information about the future also nothing that made me think I was a prophet. If you are determined to have something, have faith you will have it and no fear of any opposition then God will give you information to help you.

May God guide us everyone

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Dear All:

Some links from my web site which talk about the false prophecies (also dubbed lies) of the Bahai Faith.

False Prophecy of the UHJ: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/uhj_failed_prophecy.html

Bahai Faith - The Failed Prophecy: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai17.html

Iranians Convert to Bahai Faith? http://thebahaiinsider.com/2016/01/17/the-failed-bahai-prophecy-about-all-iranian-jews-converting-to-bahaism/

Five Clear Lies of Abdul Baha: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/abdul_baha_liar.html

The Fatal Flaw in Bahai Authority: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai18.html

- Imran Shaykh

 

 

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On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 6:14 AM, imranshaykh said:

Dear All:

Some links from my web site which talk about the false prophecies (also dubbed lies) of the Bahai Faith.

False Prophecy of the UHJ: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/uhj_failed_prophecy.html

Bahai Faith - The Failed Prophecy: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai17.html

Iranians Convert to Bahai Faith? http://thebahaiinsider.com/2016/01/17/the-failed-bahai-prophecy-about-all-iranian-jews-converting-to-bahaism/

Five Clear Lies of Abdul Baha: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/abdul_baha_liar.html

The Fatal Flaw in Bahai Authority: http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai18.html

- Imran Shaykh

 

 

Thank you I will see that later.

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