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(salam)

 

I am currently researching about any Bahai conspiracy theories and so is it possible whether you can list any theories to do with Bahais as people or their faith/beliefs in general?

 

Its doesn't matter if the theories are close to wrong, right or whether they are still under debate, but just list any that you can come up with. Please do list the books, websites or any sources where the said conspiracy theories are mentioned. I am not here to debate any of the theories, just please list as many as you know and please also try to give any evidences/truths of the specific theory.

 

Please note I am not here to criticise or justify anything to with the modern-day "prosecutions" of Bahais or put forward any "wrong doings" of the current Iranian regime.

 

Inshallah you can help me with my research.

 

Zendegi

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Bahais attract converts through allowing immoral acts with Bahai women and girls

Example: https://sensday.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/help-bahais-are-taking-over-the-gardens/
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September 16, 2014. The latest story in Iran’s government-approved media is that Bahais are up to no good in an extensive park on the Western outskirts of Tehran, on the road to Kharaj, known as the Vardavard gardens. A google search at 17.30 GMT today found 408 media sites expressing their concern at Bahai activities in the area, in identical words. The stories have two different titles: “The Vardavard gardens are a safe place for immoral Bahai activities” [example] and “A place for having sex with girls, on condition of becoming a Bahai.” [example]. ...

 

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Bahais spy for Israel.

Example:
https://sensday.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/iranian-mp-claims-bahai-community-spy-for-israel-and-us/

 

February 19, 2014

 

Ahmad Salek, chairman of Iran’s parliamentary cultural commission, on Tuesday accused his country’s Baha’i community of spying for Israel and the United States. “I declare very explicitly that Baha’ism is an espionage organization which gathers intelligence for the CIA and Mossad, and there are abundant documents to prove this,” the Fars news agency quoted Salek saying.

 

 

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Bahais fund the Israeli armed forces:

Example:
https://sensday.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/anti-bahaism-mixed-with-anti-zionism-in-iranian-propaganda/


Iranian Taboo (facebook), August 21, 2012...

Advertisements in Tehran's subway recently have depicted the shrine of the Bab in Haifa, along with a text stating “Only a few days after the UN officially recognized formation of the usurping State of Israel, in turn Israel recognized Bahaism as an official religion, and the Bahais established  their own House of Justice. And as a payback the Baha’is raised funds dedicated to the aid of Israel, in such wise that in 1356 [solar A.H.], they were able to raise 120 Milliom Tumans [at that time, before inflation, 7 Tumans =$1.00]. Through the effort of Habib Sabit, this sum of money was then channeled to the Israeli armed forces.” 
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the "blood libel" (human sacrifice) story applied to Bahais

example:

https://sensday.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/blood-libel-qom/
May 25, 2010

 

"...the Bahais in the holy city of Qom, on the holy evening of Ashura when Shiah Muslims mourn the martyrdom of Imam Husayn, held a loud festivity where alcohol was served, killed a Muslim boy they had kidnapped, and laid his body on the table with the food and drink.

 

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Bahais practice incest

 

Example:

http://www.bahaiawareness.com/shariat.html
July 1988
 

it is permitted for the Bahais to marry their sisters, nieces, aunts, etc, even though they may be blood relatives.

 

and in the "comment" to the same article:
 


yes bahais must be killed as they are FITNA by the devil -- they marry there real sisters and indulge in homosexuality -- they are unclean, unholy disciples of SATAN

 

another example:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.iranian/KHVbjxxYGCY

 

I knew this person back in under graduate years who was Bahaii.
Even though, at the first glance he looked normal, but when I talked with
him a little bit, he told me that in Bahii religion it is encouraged to
marry between sister and brother, father and daughter, or mother and
son!  I got shocked.

 

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The Bahai Faith is the religion of the United Nations

Example:
https://merahza.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/bahai-the-new-world-religion-of-the-nwo/

 

The Bahá’í Faith’s reach and influence is worldwide. Their leaders have contributed to the birth of the UN and take part in every conference related to global governance and initiatives such as the drafting of Agenda 21 and the Earth Charter. It is well recognized that the Bahá’í Faith is, for all intents and purposes, the religion of the UN. With one of their offices located in the UN headquarters, Bahá’ís have influenced and converted many international politicians to the teachings of Bahá’u’lláh.

 

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Bahai was made up by a Russian diplomat, Dolgorukov, who told the whole story in his memoirs (which he wrote in Persian!)


Bahai was made up by the "illuminati" and is promoted by the United Nations:

Example:

http://www.nwotoday.com/the-new-world-orders-history/the-new-age-occult-and-secret-societies/the-baha-i-faith-and-the-un

 

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Similar to that:
 

core beliefs (or the 13 commandments?) of the Bahá'í Faith are

Unity of God
Unity of religion
Unity of humankind
Equality between men and women
Elimination of all forms of prejudice
World peace
Harmony of religion and science
Independent investigation of truth
Universal compulsory education
Universal auxiliary language
Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics
Elimination of extremes of wealth and poverty

and people wonder why our society is being pushed in a certain direction well there is a conspiracy and it is hiding in plain site for all to see .


it may not be as exciting as moon spaceships or shape changing lizard royals but i can assure you one world government and religion is very much the plan and our future unless people really do wake up to the shepherds of society.

 

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126640
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Bahai is promoted by the freemasons:
example:
http://bahaism.blogspot.co.nz/2010/01/freemasons-bahaism.html

see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_accusations_against_the_Baha%27i_Faith#Bah.C3.A1.27.C3.AD_ties_to_Freemasonry


 

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One of the conspiracy theories that comes up in the Iranian media is that Bahai is behind the BBC and the Manoto Persian-language TV services.

On the Manoto story, I found this in English:
http://iranianfacebook.com/2012/06/03/bahais-hide-behind-iranian-culture-and-use-sexual-innuendo-to-entice-people-into-their-cult/

on the claim that Bahais run the BBC, I only found material in Persian:
http://www.farsnews.com/printable.php?nn=13900711000174

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Bahais practice incest

 

This is not a conspiracy theory. Baha'is are allowed to perform some forms of incest. It is a well known fact and even allowed by the Baha'i cult Universal House of Justice:

 

"The Universal House of Justice has instructed us to acknowledge your letter of 15 December 1980 in which you ask what prohibitions, in addition to the one on marrying one's step-mother, there may be restricting marriage between relatives, and to say that the House of Justice has not as yet seen fit to make regulations on the subject of marriage with one's kindred. For the present, therefore, decisions are left to the consciences of the individual Bahá'ís who must, of course, obey the civil law. Consideration must also be given to the prevailing customs and traditions in each country so that any action in this respect will not reflect upon the Faith in an adverse way."(From a letter written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to a National Spiritual Assembly, January 15, 1981, in Lights of Guidance, no. 1289)

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This is not a conspiracy theory. Baha'is are allowed to perform some forms of incest. It is a well known fact and even allowed by the Baha'i cult Universal House of Justice:

 

"The Universal House of Justice has instructed us to acknowledge your letter of 15 December 1980 in which you ask what prohibitions, in addition to the one on marrying one's step-mother, there may be restricting marriage between relatives, and to say that the House of Justice has not as yet seen fit to make regulations on the subject of marriage with one's kindred. For the present, therefore, decisions are left to the consciences of the individual Bahá'ís who must, of course, obey the civil law. Consideration must also be given to the prevailing customs and traditions in each country so that any action in this respect will not reflect upon the Faith in an adverse way."(From a letter written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to a National Spiritual Assembly, January 15, 1981, in Lights of Guidance, no. 1289)

 

Hadez803: people who suffer from conspiracy thinking do not say to themselves, "I believe a lot of rubbish for no good reason." They actually think it is a fact that reptilian lizards rule the world, or the illuminati are planning to invade Texas, or chemtrails are poisoning the atmosphere. It simply does not occur to them to look for real factual evidence, or think what form that evidence would take. 

Take the "bahais practice incest" theory, as an example. What kind of evidence would subtstantiate that? You could look for an example, and say Bahai X married his sister Y on such and such a day, in such and such a place. That would be factual evidence of a sort -- and note that you did not provide it. But it would be "anecdotal evidence" (links to the wikipedia article). It is not possible to justify a generalisation, such as "bahais practice incest" from one example, or even from ten.  To substantiate a generalisation, one needs general population data. If it were true that Bahais practice incest, this would show in the Bahai population. There would be mongoloid features and other signs of inbreeding , such as a shorter life expectancy and lower intelligence.  There have been Bahais in Iran for 6 generations now, and they are indistinguishable from the general population in appearance, and their children are so intelligent that the government has to exclude them from universities to give the rest of the population an even chance. [Joke].  

The interesting thing here, for Zendegi's research, is that you not only did not provide any evidence for what you call a "well known fact," you did not even think to try.   This is characteristic of the conspiracy thinking mentality. Conspiracy thinkers are not less intelligent, it seems rather that some vital part of their thinking processes has not switched on.  Normal people check received reports against a generalised picture of how the world works based on their own experience, and against solid data. Conspiracy thinkers are able to maintain a picture of how the world secretly works which is at odds with their own experience of the world. For example, they may think that reptilians rule the world, while they have never met a reptilian and have experience with how power is actually exercised in the world.

There is a recognized class of conspiracy thinking that projects "sexual freedom" to the conspiracist's target group. Hofstadter has also noted that "very often the fantasies of true believers [in conspiracies] reveal strong sadomasochistic outlets, vividly expressed."  The example I quoted many posts previously, in which a commenter wrote "bahais must be killed as they are FITNA by the devil -- they marry there real sisters and indulge in homosexuality -- they are unclean, unholy disciples of SATAN" fits this type.

Another characteristic of a conspiracy theory is that it uncovers a hidden threat (in this case, the threat to Iranian 'purity' by the unclean (najes) Bahais) and divides the world into good and bad. 

The letter you quote says that Bahais must observe the civil law, and also the prevailing customs and traditions of the countries in which they live.  To use this as evidence that "Bahais practice incest" gives us an interesting window into your thinking.

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Hadez803: people who suffer from conspiracy thinking do not say to themselves, "I believe a lot of rubbish for no good reason." They actually think it is a fact that reptilian lizards rule the world, or the illuminati are planning to invade Texas, or chemtrails are poisoning the atmosphere. It simply does not occur to them to look for real factual evidence, or think what form that evidence would take. 

Take the "bahais practice incest" theory, as an example. What kind of evidence would subtstantiate that? You could look for an example, and say Bahai X married his sister Y on such and such a day, in such and such a place. That would be factual evidence of a sort -- and note that you did not provide it. But it would be "anecdotal evidence" (links to the wikipedia article). It is not possible to justify a generalisation, such as "bahais practice incest" from one example, or even from ten.  To substantiate a generalisation, one needs general population data. If it were true that Bahais practice incest, this would show in the Bahai population. There would be mongoloid features and other signs of inbreeding , such as a shorter life expectancy and lower intelligence.  There have been Bahais in Iran for 6 generations now, and they are indistinguishable from the general population in appearance, and their children are so intelligent that the government has to exclude them from universities to give the rest of the population an even chance. [Joke].  

The interesting thing here, for Zendegi's research, is that you not only did not provide any evidence for what you call a "well known fact," you did not even think to try.   This is characteristic of the conspiracy thinking mentality. Conspiracy thinkers are not less intelligent, it seems rather that some vital part of their thinking processes has not switched on.  Normal people check received reports against a generalised picture of how the world works based on their own experience, and against solid data. Conspiracy thinkers are able to maintain a picture of how the world secretly works which is at odds with their own experience of the world. For example, they may think that reptilians rule the world, while they have never met a reptilian and have experience with how power is actually exercised in the world.

There is a recognized class of conspiracy thinking that projects "sexual freedom" to the conspiracist's target group. Hofstadter has also noted that "very often the fantasies of true believers [in conspiracies] reveal strong sadomasochistic outlets, vividly expressed."  The example I quoted many posts previously, in which a commenter wrote "bahais must be killed as they are FITNA by the devil -- they marry there real sisters and indulge in homosexuality -- they are unclean, unholy disciples of SATAN" fits this type.

Another characteristic of a conspiracy theory is that it uncovers a hidden threat (in this case, the threat to Iranian 'purity' by the unclean (najes) Bahais) and divides the world into good and bad. 

The letter you quote says that Bahais must observe the civil law, and also the prevailing customs and traditions of the countries in which they live.  To use this as evidence that "Bahais practice incest" gives us an interesting window into your thinking.

 

I'll repeat what I said: "Baha'is are allowed to perform some forms of incest. It is a well known fact and even allowed by the Baha'i cult Universal House of Justice." The "well known" fact is the permission for Baha'is to indulge in incest, which is very clear. I was referring to one of the quotes that you had mentioned as being a conspiracy theory in post #7 (highlighted below in red):

 

Bahais practice incest

 

Example:

http://www.bahaiawareness.com/shariat.html

July 1988

 

it is permitted for the Bahais to marry their sisters, nieces, aunts, etc, even though they may be blood relatives.

 

 

and in the "comment" to the same article:

 

yes bahais must be killed as they are FITNA by the devil -- they marry there real sisters and indulge in homosexuality -- they are unclean, unholy disciples of SATAN

 

 

.....

 

 

All I did was prove that contrary to your claim that this is a conspiracy theory, Baha'is are in fact allowed to practice incest. Whether I can provide an individual example of a Baha'i practicing incest or not, does not change the facts about incest being permitted in Baha'ism. Baha'is are only told to not perform incest where the civil laws prohibits it. This does not solve the problem either, for Baha'i law is upheld because of a secondary issue, that being the law of the land. In lands where no such laws exist Baha'is can indulge in incest. Furthermore, there is no "must observe" section in the Universal House of Justice quote regarding the customs of the countries. The guideline is to merely take these customs into consideration:

 

Consideration must also be given to the prevailing customs and traditions in each country.

 

 

Whether you like it or not, Baha'is are allowed to practice incest according to the rule of their highest authority.

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I'll repeat what I said: "Baha'is are allowed to perform some forms of incest. It is a well known fact and even allowed byy in post #7 (highlighted below in red):

 

 

All I did was prove that contrary to your claim that this is a conspiracy theory, Baha'is are in fact allowed to practice incest. Whether I can provide an individual example of a Baha'i practicing incest or not, does not change the facts about incest being permitted in Baha'ism. ..

 

 So you argue that in a situation in which there was no civil law, custom or tradition, a Bahai could marry anyone except his stepmother. But you reach that conclusion not because you have some evidence that this is so, but because of your lack of knowledge of the Bahai marriage law, and specifically the forbidden degrees of marriage.  Lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack. You have looked in the Aqdas and in a letter written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice, and did not find a list of forbidden degrees there, and so you presume that no list exists. This is like imagining that “potatoes” come in a packet of dried powder, looking in the cupboard and the refrigerator for “potatoes,” finding none, and concluding there are none, when the potatoes are actually dirty roundish things kept in the cellar.

There are at least ten operative principles that determine whether a particular marriage is forbidden or discouraged for Bahais.

(1) The first is that marriage relationships are equivalent to blood relationships, as Baha’u’llah has written, “It is forbidden you to wed your fathers' wives.” Shoghi Effendi has explained that this also bars a marriage between a daughter and her stepmother. That gives us (2) the second principle, known as “mutatis mutandis.” Further principles are stipulated by Abdu’l-Baha, who lists the factors to be considered:

 

“As for the matter of marriage, this falls entirely within the ‘cultural laws.’ Nevertheless, its preconditions are found in the Law of God, and its fundamentals are evident. However those unions between relatives that are not explicitly treated, are referred to the House of Justice, which will give a ruling based on the culture, medical requirements, wisdom, and the capacity of human nature. Culture, medical science, and human nature leave no doubt that in marriage, “distance is nearer than nearness.”

(My translation,  )

 

 

This gives us several different principles: (3) “distance is nearer than nearness” means that a more distant relationship between the partners is nearer to God’s Will than a close relationship, so marriage to a near relation (by blood or marriage) will always be deprecated. (Acts can be classed as forbidden, deprecated, indifferent, encouraged or obligatory.) The references to culture and custom, here and elsewhere in this letter, indicate that no detailed and universal list of the forbidden degrees can be given, since cultures differ, and (4) marriage is defined as a cultural matter. However (5) medical and psychological science (“the capacity of human nature”) must also be considered, and the insights of science and the possibilities it offers evolve over time, and are not all available everywhere. For example, medical tests might be used to determine the risk involved in a particular cousin marriage, but these facilities might be available in one country and not in another. The case of a couple who are unable to have children might be treated differently to a couple who can bear children. Finally, the authority in these matters is the House of Justice, but in line with principle (4) above, (6) it is the national or local House of Justice that must decide, as Abdu’l-Baha writes in the same response:

 

... whatever ruling the House of Justice makes in this respect, is the decisive decree, it is God’s sharp sword. No one may transgress that limit. If you consider, it will be apparent how much this rule (that is, referring cultural laws to the House of Justice) is consistent with wisdom. For whenever a difficulty may arise in relation to the local context of an issue, since the House of Justice delivered the previous ruling, the secondary House of Justice can issue a new national ruling on the national case and instance, in the light of local contingencies. “Consultation with all, wards off danger.” This is because the House of Justice is entitled to abrogate what it itself has decided.

 

Given that Abdu’l-Baha has specified that the secondary House of Justice (what we know as the National Spiritual Assembly) should make these rulings, it is unlikely that the Universal House of Justice will make the kind of general ruling you were looking for.

Another principle we see in this response by Abdu’l-Baha is that decisions are left to the houses of justice, and (7) not the opinions of scholars (myself included). Abdu’l-Baha contrasts this to the development of the Shariah schools in Islam, and the practice of going to a religious scholar to decide particular cases. He also contrasts it to the lists of forbidden degrees of marriage that one finds in Christianity. And he specifies that the details may and even should change over time (8).

Another principle that is very relevant is that Bahais must obey the civil law (9) and give it priority over their own religious laws, as Shoghi Effendi has written:

 

Let them proclaim that in whatever country they reside, and however advanced their institutions, or profound their desire to enforce the laws, and apply the principles, enunciated by Baha'u'llah, they will, unhesitatingly, subordinate the operation of such laws and the application of such principles to the requirements and legal enactments of their respective governments.

    (The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 65)

 

This principle is a de facto solution to most questions: any marriage relationship forbidden by civil law is also forbidden for Bahais. This is itself a religious principle, and not merely a civil duty, since the legitimacy of human government and our duty to obey it have been taught by Baha’u’llah.

Finally (10), Bahai marriage is conditioned on the permission of living parents, except in certain specific circumstances. This means that the parents, in addition to the local or national Bahai institution, have a role. A National Assembly might have made no national ruling on cousin marriages, but if any of the four parents feels that “distance is nearer than nearness” means that a fifth cousin marriage is undesirable, then that is the rule that will apply for that couple, and it could not be called an unreasonable refusal, in the light of Abdu’l-Baha’s guidance.

Many countries, by law and custom, allow first cousin marriages and second or first cousin marriages are very common across North Africa and the Middle East and India.

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Are Bahais in such countries allowed, by Baha’i law, to marry first or second cousins (or third or fourth)?  Assuming first that the couple concerned feel that a marriage is advisable, they must refer it to any living parents, who if they wish may ask the Local or National Spiritual Assembly for a ruling, and the Assembly may consult medical experts or experts in Bahai law, and may ask the Universal House of Justice for elucidation of the issues and of Bahai practices in various countries. As Abdu’l-Baha says in the letter I have quoted, “Consultation with all, wards off danger.”  Then the National Assembly decides.

What I have described is quite different to the lists of forbidden degrees in Shiah Islam, which operate in the context of Quran and Hadith, especially those from the Imams, the books of “questions” of the Ayatollahs and their fatwas, and ‘alims sitting in religious courts. In the Bahai case we have principles set out, and the operative authorities are the individuals, their parents, and the Local and National Spiritual Assemblies – and in the first case the civil law, for nothing forbidden by those in authority can be licit in Bahai law. Despite the differences, both systems do produce a definitive answer when an answer is required.

It would be interesting to look at the rate of second and first cousin marriages in the Bahai communities in North Africa, the Middle East and India, and compare them to the national averages. I am tempted to say “I have never encountered a first-cousin marriage among Bahais,” but as I said at the beginning, lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack.

 

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Sen McGlinn,

 

So I just read a long response to my post only to realize you did nothing but reaffirm what I had been saying from day one but in greater detail:

 

Baha'is are allowed to perform some forms of incest. It is a well known fact and even allowed by the Baha'i cult Universal House of Justice.

 

I'll elaborate by asking two questions:

 

1-Are Baha'is under some conditions allowed to perform some forms of incest including marriage between siblings? Yes.

 

2-Is there any quote in Baha'i literature or the rulings of the Universal House of Justice that forbids all forms of incest such as marriage between siblings? No.

 

Let me be more blunt: I live in country X, where incest is culturally accepted and allowed under the law. I want to marry my sibling. Our parents have also announced their consent. Under Baha'i law I am now allowed to marry my sibling. Case closed.

Edited by hadez803

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Zendegi, if you have not already found it, you should look at a 2009 research note by Susan Maneck, "Accusations Against Baha'is Within the Context of Islamic Heresiography", online at CESNUR.
 

She finds that "...the charges being made against Baha’is have little to do with their own beliefs and practices but are instead drawn from a standard Islamic repertoire of what a heresy is supposed to look like and the assumed motives behind its origins and propagation..." This is certainly the case with the "blood libel" story I mentioned above, although in that case the story originated in English anti-semitism. Bahais were substituted for the Jews in the story, and the victim turned from a Christian boy to a Muslim boy, but it is recognizably the same story, with the names changed.

 

I also suggest you look at the page "images of hate" on my blog, and include visual portrayals and symbols in your analysis of the texts of conspiracy theories about Bahais.

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Conspiracy theories are theories-they maybe true or false.

 

But bahaism today itself is a conspiracy against Islam as a whole with the active support of Jews. This is not a theory but an undeniable and well established fact.

Please can you show evidence of this "fact"

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