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Prophets In Islam Not Mentioned In Islam

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I hope the title isn't confusing, I will list Prophets of God that are not usually mentioned in Islamic literature nor are they mentioned in the Quran, but could very well be true Prophets of God.

 

Only 25 prophets are mentioned by name in the Quran, however it refers to many more prophets, such as Prophet Samuel (peace be upon him) that is implicitly mentioned in the Quran as a "prophet that anointed Talut."

 

The Quran makes it clear that not every prophet is mentioned in the Quran by name and that there have been sent a Prophet to every nation, many Muslim sources besides the Quran makes it clear that Isaiah (peace be upon him), Seth and Daniel (peace be upon him) are prophets of God, too - even though they are not explicitly mentioned by name in the Quran.

 

Here are certain respectable personalities that I have no doubts about being the Prophets of God:

 

Veda Vyasa - Peace be upon him:

 

He is the scribe of the Bhagavad Gita, which is a part of the Mahabharata, which he is a character featuring in. He also wrote the Prophetic work that is "Kalki Purana," which prophesies Muhammad (peace be upon him) and how his characteristics would be that amazingly fit the description of Muhammad (peace be upon him). He also prophesies about the Muslims and preached the Oneness of God (the Exalted and Majestic is He); that is enough for me to think he was a great Prophet of God and may peace and blessing be upon him.

 

Krishna - Peace be upon him:

 

Alright, this is a difficult one because Krishna is worshipped as a God and much of the Bhagavad Gita speaks of Him as a supposedly divine figure. I will say that the conflicts we have with Krishna and Islam can be settled by reading this Ahmadiyya article; https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_1.html

 

I am no Ahmadi, but this article explains much about how Krishna could be a prophet of God.

 

In the Baha'i belief, they consider Krishna to be a divine Manifestation of God; which I think is to be most likely.

 

A Manifestation of God is the Bahá'í concept of the intermediary between God and mankind, which are a series of personages, such as Jesus and Muhammad, who reflect the attributes of the divine into the human world for the progress and advancement of human morals and civilization In expressing God's intent, these Manifestations of God are seen to establish the Submission to God in the world.

 

Contrary to popular beliefs, the Manifestations of God are not seen as incarnations of God, but are instead understood to be like a perfect mirror reflecting the attributes of God onto this material world.

 

A Manifestation of God can also be understood as Imago Dei, however they should not be entirely interchangable. Imago Dei is the common human being that is created in God's image, only in appearance. While a Manifestation of God is a divine Imago Dei human being with God's attributes all Manifestations of God are Imago Dei, but not all Imago Dei are Manifestations of God.

 

I am not a Baha'i and do not think he is a prophet, a messenger or anything divine or ever interacted with the divine - I consider him for the spiritual being that is the successor of Muhammad in Sunnah, he is a reformer of Islam, the Mahdi - but not a prophet. When he called himself for a Manifestation of God, he used it in the same sense we use the Imago Dei, he never considered himself to he a prophet or messenger, but a man created in God's image, the symbol of God - thus, Manifestation of God, but there is a difference between "just" Manifestation of God and the divine Manifestation of God. For me, Baha'u'llah is a pious Muslim-mystic saint of a Sufi branch that offshooted from Shi'ism. The same goes for his forerunner, the Báb.

 

Therefore, this explains of how Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita, 7:25, that he only manifests for the wise and not the foolish. And why he might speak in a manner that resembles He speaks as God, but he was only a mystic and spoke in a spiritual and allegorical way that is too difficult to understand. Hindus believe he is an Incarnation of the One and True God, Brahman (which resembles very much the God of Islam - most certainly the same beings), but I think they misunderstood and the right word was Manifestation of God, just like Krishna himself says in the Bhagavad Gita.

 

Was he God? No. Was he prophet? Not very much. A messenger? He is, but not very much. Was he the Manifestation of God? Most certainly.  

 

I believe in Him, Krishna. May be peace be upon him to be a Manifestation of God. Krishna also resembles Ali and is a past life of Ali's.

 

Buddha - Peace be upon him.

 

Buddha is mentioned in the Quran twice as Dhul-Kifl, an epithet that means "The Beholder of Kifl," Kifl is the Arabic form of Kapil, which is ultimately an abbreviation of Kapillavathu, which is the city Buddha was raised up in and lived as a wealthy prince, a possessor of everything there was in the city, which he later forsake and went to preach his Dharma and become a hermit, submitter to God.

 

His teachings today are distorted and the earliest are only from 500 years ago after his death, but he prophesied a man will come and restore his corrupt teachings, his name would be "Merciful One." Which is a similar name to Muhammad's name that is "Mercy for The Worlds," if not the same. And the prophesy does match Muhammad since Muhammad is the one that will restore the corrupt teachings of the ones that came before him, which is where he restores the teachings of Buddha in the Quran.

 

Buddha was a monotheist, you can read more about the historical proofs for Buddha's monotheism on this Ahmadiyya article; https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_2.html

 

Mani - Peace be upon him.

 

Muhammad met Bahira, a man who was reportedly a Manichean - if that's true, that's my best way to assume Prophet Mani, indeed is a prophet - his teachings today are literally all gone, he claimed to be a new prophet after Jesus and a line of other prophets such as Zoroaster, Buddha and such - many reasons why to think he is a Prophet of God.

 

That's it and all I know about him, I can't say for sure, but who knows? Maybe he is a prophet of God. 

 

Zoroaster - Peace be upon him.

 

It is without doubt that Our great Prophet, Zoroaster was indeed a Prophet of God. Not only is his religion very similar to Islam, the Sahaba even believed Zoraster to be a divine prophet, here is an excerpt of the Islamic view of Zoroaster on a Wikipedia article;

 

Citing the authority of the 8th-century al-Kalbi, the 9th- and 10th-century Sunni historian al-Tabari (i.648)[53] reports that Zaradusht bin Isfiman (an Arabic adaptation of "Zarathustra Spitama") was an inhabitant of Israel and a servant of one of the disciples of the prophet Jeremiah. According to this tale, Zaradusht defrauded his master, who cursed him, causing him to become leprous (cf. Elisha's servant Gehazi in Jewish Scripture). The apostate Zaradusht then eventually made his way to Balkh (present day Afghanistan) where he converted Bishtasb (i.e. Vishtaspa), who in turn compelled his subjects to adopt the religion of the Magians. Recalling other tradition, al-Tabari (i.681–683[53]) recounts that Zaradusht accompanied a Jewish prophet to Bishtasb/Vishtaspa. Upon their arrival, Zaradusht translated the sage's Hebrew teachings for the king and so convinced him to convert (Tabari also notes that they had previously been Sabis) to the Magian religion.[53]

The 12th-century heresiographer al-Shahrastani describes the Majusiya into three sects, the Kayumarthiya, the Zurwaniya and the Zaradushtiya, among which Al-Shahrastani asserts that only the last of the three were properly followers of Zoroaster. As regards the recognition of a prophet, the Zoroaster has said: "They ask you as to how should they recognize a prophet and believe him to be true in what he says; tell them what he knows the others do not, and he shall tell you even what lies hidden in your nature; he shall be able to tell you whatever you ask him and he shall perform such things which others cannot perform." (Namah Shat Vakhshur Zartust, .5–7. 50–54) Shortly before the advent of the prophet of Islam, [Muhammad], Persia was under the sovereignty of Sasan V. When the companions of the Prophet, on invading Persia, came in contact with the Zoroastrian people and learned these teachings, they at once came to the conclusion that Zoroaster was really a Divinely inspired prophet. Thus they accorded the same treatment to the Zoroastrian people which they did to other "People of the Book". Though the name of Zoroaster is not mentioned in the Qur'an, still he was regarded as one of those prophets whose names have not been mentioned in the Qur'an, for there is a verse in the Qur'an: "And We did send apostles before thee: there are some of them that We have mentioned to thee and there are others whom We have not mentioned to Thee." (40 : 78). Accordingly the Muslims treated the founder of Zoroastrianism as a true prophet and believed in his religion as they did in other inspired creeds, and thus according to the prophecy, protected the Zoroastrian religion. James Darmestar remarked in the translation of Zend Avesta: "When Islam assimilated the Zoroastrians to the People of the Book, it evinced a rare historical sense and solved the problem of the origin of the Avesta." (Introduction to Vendiad. p. 69.)

Ahmadiyya view

Ahmadi Muslims view Zoroaster as a Prophet of God and describe the expressions of Ahura Mazda, the God of goodness and Ahraman, the God of evil as merely referring to the coexistence of forces of good and evil enabling humans to exercise free will. Mirza Tahir Ahmad, the fourth Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, in his book Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth views Zoroaster as Prophet of God and describes such the expressions to be a concept which is similar to the concepts in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.[54]

In Manichaeism

Manichaeism considered Zoroaster to be a figure (along with Jesus and the Buddha) in a line of prophets of which Mani (216–276) was the culmination.[55] Zoroaster's ethical dualism is—to an extent—incorporated in Mani's doctrine, which viewed the world as being locked in an epic battle between opposing forces of good and evil.[56] Manicheanism also incorporated other elements of Zoroastrian tradition, particularly the names of supernatural beings; however, many of these other Zoroastrian elements are either not part of Zoroaster's own teachings or are used quite differently from how they are used in Zoroastrianism.[56][57]

In the Bahá'í Faith

Zoroaster appears in the Bahá'í Faith as a "Manifestation of God", one of a line of prophets who have progressively revealed the Word of God to a gradually maturing humanity. Zoroaster thus shares an exalted station with Abraham, Moses, Krishna, Jesus, Muhammad, the Báb, and the founder of the Bahá'í Faith, Bahá'u'lláh.[58]Shoghi Effendi, the head of the Bahá'í Faith in the first half of the 20th century, saw Bahá'u'lláh as the fulfillment of a post-Sassanid Zoroastrian prophecy that saw a return of Sassanid emperor Bahram:[59] Shoghi Effendi also stated that Zoroaster lived roughly 1000 years before Jesus.[z]

 

 

 

Prophet, Imam, Caliph, Manifestation of God, Sahaba, 1st Muslim Ali - Peace and Blessings be upon the Great Prophet of God, Ali.

 

He bears many similarities with Krishna. http://ismailignosis.com/2012/08/15/the-eternal-imam-songs-of-krishna-sermons-of-ali/

 

Who said Muhammad didn't have prophetic contemporaries? Muhammad was the last Prophet chosen by God, Ali was chosen before Muhammad was chosen, that's why at only 10 years old Ali was already a submitter to God, he just declared it on the presence of Muhammad first then. Muhammad was the last Prophet, Ali was the prophet selected to become on before Muhammad and the second last.  Peace and blessings be upon Ali, our prophet, our God, our Sustainer, the last Prophet that tasted death, He reincarnated into who He is, we love Prophet Ali, the best of the best. 

 

What do you think? Just my view. Peace be on you and remember Ali, Sallalahu Alayhim wa' Salam.

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What do you think? Just my view. Peace be on you and remember Ali, Sallalahu Alayhim wa' Salam.

Ali (as) is not a prophet, but was the imam of his time. As for the others, I don't know enough to say, but if any of the teachings attributed to these persons are contrary to Islam, either the person was no prophet or the teachings have been corrupted.

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I am a Muslim, disciple of Muhammad and Ali, believer in the Oneness of God, in the Oneness of Prophet Ali.

I think I need to elaborate more on my belief in Ali as a Manifestation of God. Ali was infallible because of his divine attributes, he was God manifested in flesh onto this Earth.

A Manifestation of God is the esoteric concept of the Shi'i belief that the intermediary between God and mankind, which are a series of personages, such as Jesus and Muhammad, who reflect the attributes of the divine into the human world for the progress and advancement of human morals and civilization In expressing God's intent, these Manifestations of God are seen to establish the Submission to God in the world.

Contrary to popular beliefs, the Manifestations of God are not seen as incarnations of God, but are instead understood to be like a perfect mirror reflecting the attributes of God onto this material world.

Ali said: "I am the Face of God. I am the mirror of God.” - Imām ‘Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib

Here are some proofs from authentic Hadeeth:

http://ismailignosis.com/2012/08/15/the-eternal-imam-songs-of-krishna-sermons-of-ali/

How is this not Allah himself manifested onto the body of a human being that is Ali? I also showed the Hadith that says when Muhammad met God, he saw the face of Ali and heard the voice of God - yet another reason why to think Ali's face is that of God.

“I am the Sign of the All-Powerful. I am the Gnosis of the Mysteries. I am the Threshold of Thresholds. I am the companion of the radiance of the divine Majesty. I am the First and the Last, the Manifest and the Hidden. I am the Face of God. I am the mirror of God, the supreme Pen.” - Imām ‘Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib

I think he was a Prophet, a man unified with God, the last Prophet to have tasted death.

 

 

Many Shi'is believe this.

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Welcome to ShiaChat. 

Thanks for having me, many would find my heterodox beliefs to be heretic and kick me out, I'm very thankful for this website's free-thinking and open mind that have let me assert my beliefs freely and openly - I have much respect for you.

 

 

Can I ask you what is the name of your religion?

Islam, I am a Muslim - but I follow various sects and I am influenced by many religions, because one way of life is not enough for the rest of one's life.

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Thanks for having me, many would find my heterodox beliefs to be heretic and kick me out, I'm very thankful for this website's free-thinking and open mind that have let me assert my beliefs freely and openly - I have much respect for you.

Oh, just so you know, I think your beliefs are heretic, but shiachat is open to anyone as long as you follow the rules. If you try to present your beliefs as Shia Muslim, I will call you out. As you yourself said, to you your beliefs and to me mine.

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Ali is a Manifestation of God. That's my belief, let me have mine beliefs and let you have your beliefs.

man just shut the hell up about your beliefs, you're misguided more than the misguided of the misguided , we don't want to know any of your beliefs. Edited by laithAlIRAQI

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He claims he is Muslim who is influenced by other religions.

Read between the lines. Clearly his stated beliefs are conglomerate, not those of a Muslim, if for absolutely no other reason than that Imam Ali (as) had those who claimed he was a god put to death. His beliefs are pagan, influenced by Islam and other religions. Sometimes it is called syncretism.

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What's the difference between your belief and the one mentioned in this verse?

لَقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ ۚ قُلْ فَمَنْ يَمْلِكُ مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا إِنْ أَرَادَ أَنْ يُهْلِكَ الْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ وَمَنْ فِي الْأَرْضِ جَمِيعًا ۗ وَلِلَّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا ۚ يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَاءُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ

They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do aught against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He will. And Allah is Able to do all things. 5:17

And one other point:

Sometimes you say a particular person is god

Other times you say he is God's manifestation

You realize that there's a huge difference between those two, right?

Edited by mesbah

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Read between the lines. Clearly his stated beliefs are conglomerate, not those of a Muslim, if for absolutely no other reason than that Imam Ali (as) had those who claimed he was a god put to death. His beliefs are pagan, influenced by Islam and other religions. Sometimes it is called syncretism.

Lol.

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FYI: This topic is in Research Into Other Sects. The new member Ummi of Ummah has come here to ShiaChat to discuss his views. Anyone who does not want to discuss intelligently but only wants to insult him should not come into Research Into Other Sects. To all members, please treat others with respect. If you are being mean or insulting you will not be able to attract anyone to what you believe. 

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