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The Risks Of Vaccines

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On a second thought, I don't think you should immunize yourself or your kids. I doubt your survival would be of any benefit to humanity anyways :lol:

My life and that of my family's  exist only for the pleasure of my beloved :Al-Hujjat (as) .

He may do as he wishes with us , and we are ready to give it up for him at an instant.

The only vaccine I will inject is to keep the parasitical :Sufyani (L) away from infecting me with its diseases  to mankind .

The establishment  in which you so eagerly promote is the legacy of the :Umayyads (L).

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there are many people like Deewan , most likely a medical professional or a student studying to be one .

They use many tricks , including mixing the 2 words , Immunisation with vaccination.

I discuss vacincantion in this thread , not the natural immunisation that the body does in order to protect itself .

Deewan has admitted Vaccines do not always work and do not cease disease .

We all know of the adverse side effects of such things .

Deewan has not answered me , on many of the :Islamic questions regrading the :Haram ingredients in vaccines .

He cannot , because that's not part of the sales pitch , and according to these people , a doctor's word  overrides what :Allah swt commands you to do .

many of such people are arrogant , and seem to think they are gods with power over life and death .

they will pressure most of you to do what they are taught to do .

Vaccination agenda is currently pushed by the medical cabal and governments aggressively these days .

When I was a kid , we had a few shots , now for babies , they have over 63 shots during their childhood .

these protocols are heavily debated even amongst the normal mainstream doctors and health people.

I'm not here to promote the anti -vaxxer agenda , as it will cause problems for you down the path .

You cannot fully participate in the system that mandates such things as vaccines and demand your rights at the same time .

you will not win , as the establishment will make example of you.

In many countries today , they punish you in some ways if you don't prescribe to the agenda .

Soon vaccinations will be forced upon everyone .

So those living in cities etc , you will have no choice , especially those engaged in certain careers or entering schooling etc.

To effectively  exercise your rights and beliefs , which under the :Fatwa , you can , it is best to leave the societies and cities.

To remove yourself from such places , where human rights are violated , toxic :Haram substances forcibly injected into your babies , mandating forced mass medication of tap water with fluoridated  , toxic foods , chemtrails , :Riba infestation , etc etc etc .

This is a warning to my dear brother and sisters , those that are preparing for :Al-Hujjat (as) , if you don't want your babies injected with :Haram toxic substances at gunpoint one day , get out from the cities .



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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum.

Where should we live brother while we are waiting for Imam zaman (atf)? What are our options?

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam Alikum.

Where should we live brother while we are waiting for Imam zaman (atf)? What are our options?

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah




Live away from cities , as a general rule ( further than a full tank of petrol in a car  ) , say 700+ kms away.

Have land that is sustainable for you and the family , where there is fresh water , safe and private.

good soil with fruits and vegetables and livestock.

Our house is mainly solar powered , with our own rain and bore water, all water is recycled 100%. ( no wastage of water )

We have vegetables and fruit trees.

We have local farmers markets to buy everything else we need .

We eat locally wild caught fish , and have our own free range :Halal meats from local farmers .

Create your own community , start with your family.

And together prepare for :Al-Hujjat  (as) .

This is how it was many years ago , go back to such a life , and you can still have the modern necessities of WIFI , modern appliances and modern eco friendly sustainable zero carbon footprint  deigned homes .

If there is one plant that you can have that will fulfil all your living needs , from making rope , houses , clothes , food , oils and medicine , will be Hemp.

This is :Allah's swt miracle plant that will save us .

get to know hemp and how to grow this miracle plant .



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Disease        Transmission R       Herd immunity threshold

Diphtheria     Saliva 6–7                      85%

Measles     Airborne 12–18                 83–94%

Mumps    Airborne droplet 4–7          75–86%

Pertussis Airborne droplet 12–17      92–94%

Polio      Fecal-oral route 5–7             80–86%

Rubella     Airborne droplet 5–7         83–85%

Smallpox    Social contact 6–7           83–85%

^ - R0 is the basic reproduction number, or the average number of secondary infectious cases that are produced by a single index case in completely susceptible population.



The proportion of immune individuals in a population above which a disease may no longer persist is the herd immunity threshold. Its value varies with the virulence of the disease, the efficacy of the vaccine, and the contact parameter for the population.[4] No vaccine offers complete protection, but the spread of disease from person to person is much higher in those who remain unvaccinated.[6] It is the general aim of those involved in public health to establish herd immunity in most populations. Complications arise when widespread.



If this is the case , why are the medical cabal , it's doctors , the government and the media forcing 100% vaccinations rates?

The reason is that it is a business , and like all businesses , its not about the welfare of humanity but total 100% monopoly to maximise the $$.

Once again to add to the ever growing no.1 most profitable industry at $711,000,000,000.00.

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Girl left disabled by flu jab wins millions


Saba Button suffers various disabilities as a result of a vacination adminstered to her when she was 11 months old. Her parents Mick and Kirsten Button have today recieved a settlement payout. Source: News Corp Australia

THE parents of a severely disabled Perth girl have received a multi-million-dollar compensation payout to meet her lifelong care needs after a flu vaccination when she was nearly one left her brain damaged and quadriplegic.


Just before her first birthday in April 2010, Saba was given a 0.25ml dose of Fluvax by her doctor. She had severe febrile convulsions and suffered a profound acquired brain injury, leaving her a quadriplegic with limited vision.

In his court orders yesterday, judge Michael Barker said her disabilities had been caused by the vaccination, leaving her with a shortened life expectancy and requiring 24-hour care for life.

Days after Saba was vaccinated, Dr Hames suspended the Fluvax program. Dozens of children had been taken to hospital with adverse reactions to the vaccine.


An independent inquiry later found, though, there had been a “serious deficiency” by the Health Department in reporting the problems and delays in acting. The drug was also banned nationally for children under five.


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Gardasil’s Birthday Blues: June 8, 2006 – June 8, 2014

June 8th, is an especially auspicious day; it’s the eighth anniversary of the U.S. FDA approving the first HPV vaccine, Merck and Company’s Gardasil®.

index.jpgCatherine J. Frompovich 
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Along with December 7, 1941, which is known as a “day that will live in infamy,” [1] perhaps Gardasil’s approval date, June 8, 2006, should become another day of infamy, especially for the medical profession and the pharmaceutical industry. Why? Because, in this writer’s opinion, the HPV vaccine ‘concept’ has amounted to nothing short of a biblical plague for thousands who have been and are being harmed by it, rather than the supposed benefits it’s purported to accrue, which apparently have not been substantiated. 

According to Dr. Joseph Mercola, DO, 
As Bidini points out, this reduction in HPV prevalence can NOT be claimed to be due to the effectiveness of HPV vaccinations. On the contrary, the data clearly shows [sic] that it was the unvaccinated girls in this group that had the best outcome! [5]

According to SaneVax, Inc.’s website, the following Gardasil® statistics are taken from the U.S. CDC’s VAERS reporting system to April 2014: 

Disabled 1,129 
Deaths 165 

Did Not Recover 6,977 
Abnormal Pap Smear 570 
Cervical Dysplasia 241 
Cervical Cancer 78 
Life Threatening 627 
Emergency Room 11,562 
Hospitalized 3,614 
Extended Hospital Stay 247 
Serious 4,828 
Adverse Events 34,700




Answer:  1) If there is a probability of having a disease seeking the means to prevent it would be obligatory to the extent the disease can be prevented.
2) As long as the father is not certain that the vaccines contain the substances that would cease diseases which the father claims to be present, he is not allowed to refuse to have his child vaccinated.


Case closed .

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Those brothers and sisters that are on the border to vaccinate or not , here's some articles relating to the real vaccine agendas .
For those that want to prepare for :Al-Hujjat  (as) and protect your babies from this dangerous agenda , please read the following .
There are some on SC that will swear that vaccines are safe and the best thing since slice bread .
But these people have not answered the concerns from the :Islamic-Sharia perceptive nor will they ever , as their  sales pitch doesn't cover such concerns .
The vaccine agenda and establishment is still conducting mass trials till today with fatal results .
As :Shia we should seek real knowledge and faith to protect our babies from such attacks .

Thousands of children in Irish care homes at centre of 'baby graves scandal' were used in secret vaccine trials in the 1930s

  • Scientists secretly gave 2,051 children and babies diphtheria vaccine
  • They were used as guinea pigs for drugs giant Burroughs Wellcome in 1930s
  • Academic Michael Dwyer uncovered shock truth in old medical records
  • He found no evidence of consent, nor of how many died or were affected
  • Comes as Irish PM intervenes from U.S. over scandal of mass baby grave
  • Hundreds of babies are believed to have been buried at former baby home
  • Enda Kenny says he's ordered his officials to examine 'if there are others'


PUBLISHED: 18:17 AEST, 6 June 2014 | UPDATED: 22:49 AEST, 6 June 2014

Scientists secretly vaccinated more than 2,000 children in religious-run homes in suspected illegal drug trials, it emerged today.
Old medical records show that 2,051 children and babies in Irish care homes were given a one-shot diphtheria vaccine for international drugs giant Burroughs Wellcome between 1930 and 1936.
There is no evidence that consent was ever sought, nor any records of how many may have died or suffered debilitating side-effects as a result.
The scandal was revealed as Irish premier, Enda Kenny, ordered ministers to see whether there are more mass baby graves after the discovery that 800 infants may be buried in a septic tank outside a former mother and baby home in Tuam, Co. Galway.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2650475/More-mass-baby-graves-Ireland-Prime-Minister-Enda-Kenny-orders-investigation-memorial-800-dead-babies-planned.html#ixzz348WfG3Lk 

'Forced trials' for vaccines need to be included in inquiry into mother and baby homes


Published 08/06/2014|02:30

JUNIOR Health Minister Kathleen Lynch has called for controversial vaccine trials carried out in mother and baby homes to form part of any forthcoming Government's inquiry into Catholic Church-run institutions.

  • Ms Lynch, who campaigned for children forced to take part in vaccine trials while in State care, said she "hit a brick wall" after a Supreme Court ruling blocked a previous government investigation.
    And she said the new inquiry would be a "waste of time" if it did not investigate the infamous vaccine trials.
    The minister told the Sunday Independent: "What I'll be asking is that whatever investigation that takes place that this should be looked at as well."
    The Government is carrying out a cross-departmental review of mother and baby homes after the shocking revelation that almost 800 babies were buried in an unmarked grave in Tuam, Co Galway.

    - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/forced-trials-for-vaccines-need-to-be-included-in-inquiry-into-mother-and-baby-homes-30337258.html#sthash.JWGiHyvt.dpuf


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This is a development 

I am not sure how accurate - not just a media bubble- these news are but non the less



Fraud at the CDC uncovered, 340% risk of autism hidden from public






But this is science !


Some vaccines support evolution of more-virulent viruses

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Bombshell: CDC destroyed vaccine documents, Congressman reveals; CDC whistleblower case is back


“…the [CDC] co-authors scheduled a meeting to destroy documents related to the [MMR vaccine] study. The remaining four co-authors all met and brought a big garbage can into the meeting room and reviewed and went through all the hard copy documents that we had thought we should discard and put them in a huge garbage can.” (William Thompson, CDC researcher)


“However, because I [Thompson] assumed it [destroying the documents] was illegal and would violate both FOIA and DOJ requests, I kept hard copies of all documents in my office and I retained all associated computer files. I believe we intentionally withheld controversial findings from the final draft of the Pediatrics paper.”



Breaking News: Congressman Posey On House Floor CDC Authors of 2004 MMR Paper Destroyed Documents


Congressman Bill Posey (R-FL) at 1:02:29   http://www.c-span.org/video/?327309-1/us-house-morning-hour&live=

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I arrive today on matters of research and scientific integrity.  

To begin with, I am absolutely, resolutely pro-vaccine. Advancements in immunization have saved countless lives and have greatly benefited public health.  That being said, it’s troubling to me that in a recent senate hearing on childhood vaccination, it was never mentioned that our government has paid out over three billion dollars through a vaccine injury compensation program for children who have been injured by vaccinations. Regardless of the subject matter, parents making decisions about their children’s health deserve to have the best information available to them. They should be able to count on federal agencies to tell them the truth. 


For these reasons, I bring the following matter to the floor. In August, 2014,  Dr. William Thompson, a senior scientist at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention worked with a whistleblower attorney to provide my office with documents related to a 2004 CDC study that examined the possibility of a relationship between the mumps, measles and rubella vaccines and autism.  In a statement released in August, 2014, Dr. Thompson stated “I regret that my co-authors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the Journal of Pediatrics.” End quote.


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