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#51 Grief

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 09:43 AM

Really Fadullah makes more Logic then Other Maraja? I don't think so brother. Thats According to you. But Have you ever Dared to go Ask The Imam of your mosq? Or Any person who is Opposite to you? yeah, I don't think so.

I don't need to ask others in my mosque or some Imam... Maybe you feel the need to always seek others' opinions before doing something, but I try to consult the a'qal that Allah has given me.

 

Many great people from the Shia world admire FadhlAllah and so do I.

 

He was a great man and I will decide what is logical to me and what is not. He makes the most sense.


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 09:44 AM

I don't need to ask others in my mosque.

 

Many great people from the Shia world admire FadhlAllah and so do I.

 

He was a great man and I will decide what is logical to me and what is not. He makes the most sense.

 

 

Well, he Does have some issues. But Of course thats Up to you to decide. Of course We all respect him. I did not say anything about him.  


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 09:56 AM

Brother buggy lemon this is ayatullah fadillahs (ra) ruling ing following him as he has passed away.
Islamic ruling
8. It is obligatory precaution condition not to follow a dead scholar at the outset. However if someone follows a mojtehid then he dies, he has the choice to follow him or switching to another one, living one, either fully or partially.

Please check out his fiqh book brother. We should make sure to follow his fiqh if we wish to follow his way. InshaAllah Allah is great.
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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:02 AM

Brother buggy lemon this is ayatullah fadillahs (ra) ruling ing following him as he has passed away.
Islamic ruling
8. It is obligatory precaution condition not to follow a dead scholar at the outset. However if someone follows a mojtehid then he dies, he has the choice to follow him or switching to another one, living one, either fully or partially.

Please check out his fiqh book brother. We should make sure to follow his fiqh if we wish to follow his way. InshaAllah Allah is great.
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This is strange, but thank you for showing me it...

 

I have seen other ruling of his that are polar opposites of what this one says...



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:09 AM

I don't need to ask others in my mosque or some Imam... Maybe you feel the need to always seek others' opinions before doing something, but I try to consult the a'qal that Allah has given me.

Many great people from the Shia world admire FadhlAllah and so do I.

He was a great man and I will decide what is logical to me and what is not. He makes the most sense.

this aqil is what is accepted by intellectual minds as correct or appreciated by their minds. And this is where we have to drop away with the no alaam and pornography for the frigid wife. What is called option is possible outcomes many confuse this as aqil.

This is strange, but thank you for showing me it...

I have seen other ruling of his that are polar opposites of what this one says...

as far as I remember this was something that came up by his office after his death that if u want to follow him you have to be in taqleed to a marja who allows u to follow the dead marja. Then switch to fadlullah. And we had the choice to stay in his taqleed if we were in it before his death which is normal fatwa. Regardless I do not believe fadlullah was the alaam.

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:17 AM

if u want to follow him you have to be in taqleed to a marja who allows u to follow the dead marja. Then switch to fadlullah.

Can I ask you a question? What is the point of all these semantics and loopholes? This is why I take some issue with the field of Taqleed... It is a very strange thing that something can be haram on my that can be halal on my brother if we follow different alims.

 

There is 1 Islam... Not 66.


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#57 Rohani

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:22 AM

Intellect dictates that we follow the most knowledgeable and that is the most trustworthy station there probably is not too many differences between the top six listed most knowledgeable marja by qum giving I have not studied them all but am aware of at lease two and seem not that far off to my limited comparison. These bigger difference may be because those are not the most knowledgeable. Other differences are because of difference understandings. The only way to avoid this is to find the alaam. Scholars benefit people no matter what in other ways besides being able to do taqleed to them.

Edited by Maitham, 12 October 2013 - 10:25 AM.


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:45 AM

Intellect dictates that we follow the most knowledgeable and that is the most trustworthy station there probably is not too many differences between the top six listed most knowledgeable marja by qum giving I have not studied them all but am aware of at lease two and seem not that far off to my limited comparison. These bigger difference may be because those are not the most knowledgeable. Other differences are because of difference understandings. The only way to avoid this is to find the alaam. Scholars benefit people no matter what in other ways besides being able to do taqleed to them.

My question still stands, though. We should do Taqleed to the alam, I agree. But as to who is the alam, only Allah knows...

 

My question was, how can something be halal to me that is haram to my brother or vice versa if Islam is one?


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:54 AM

Usually haram is haram except in things where there are different understandings of what verse or hadith mean as for knowing who is alaam this is why the group in qum made a list. So we ask the knowledgeable scholars. Sometimes people make more efforts than others and find something to be different. Usually we would like to see consensus fadlullahs fatwa sometimes stand alone so they are odd and we would need a detailed exposition and someone who is more aware to support it. I
am sure there can be more said as to why more than what some limited knowing person like me can say.


In the Islamic Republic, the society of seminary teachers of Qom list 6 maraje on their website:

http://www.jameehmodarresin.org/

Sayyed Ali Khamenei
Sheikh Wahid Khorasani
Sayyed Shebiri Zanjani
Sheikh Makarem Shirazi
Sheikh Safi Golpaygani
Sayyed Ali Seestani

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 12:44 PM

Really Fadullah makes more Logic then Other Maraja? I don't think so brother. Thats According to you. But Have you ever Dared to go Ask The Imam of your mosq? Or Any person who is Opposite to you? yeah, I don't think so.

 

Unless the Imam of your mosque is a Mujtahid, or at least a very advanced Hawza student, he can't really comment much on how logical Syed FadhlAllah's rulings are.

 

My guess is, you probably don't know what absurd mean. You should go and read topics about child marriages and how you can force yourself on your slaves.

 

It is very true that Sistani for the most part doesn't meddle in our affairs. Sorry if this will offend a lot of you "highly politicized" Shias.

 

Define 'meddling in our affairs'. You want a Marji' that just sits and gives yes/no answers, without any engagement with his followers? Is that what you think the Prophet Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå and the Imams (as) did?


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 12:45 PM

Sheikh Muhammad al-Yaqoobi

 

http://en.wikipedia....ohammad_Yaqoobi

 

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I follow His eminence as well :)


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 12:46 PM

I follow His eminence as well :)

 

Really?? I thought I was alone on this site! 



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 01:01 PM

Unless the Imam of your mosque is a Mujtahid, or at least a very advanced Hawza student, he can't really comment much on how logical Syed FadhlAllah's rulings are.

 

 

Define 'meddling in our affairs'. You want a Marji' that just sits and gives yes/no answers, without any engagement with his followers? Is that what you think the Prophet Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå and the Imams (as) did?

Well, there are actually many who follow Sayyid Sistani because (one of the reasons) that he is "apolitical". He keeps a lot to himself, and speaks little about politics...

 

But at the same time as Sayyid Sistani has been criticized after published fatwa regarding Shariah penal law. There are many of his followers who live in denial, where they believe that Sistani does not want muslim countries should establish shariah etc.

If you go  to  sistani.org, they have taken away questions  regarding the death penalty, etc.

 

 

 

 

Homosexuality[edit]

In 2005 Sistani allegedly issued a fatwa on his website calling for the execution of gays in the "worst, most severe way". Following protests from UK-based Iraqi gay rights groups, Sistani agreed to remove the fatwa from his website except for the section calling for the punishment of lesbianism. Though the text of the fatwa has been removed its status has not been officially revoked. In January 2007, a United Nations report described the increased persecution, torture and extrajudicial killing of Iraqi lesbians and gay men by the Shia death squads of the Badr and Sadr militias (the armed wings of the two main Shia parties that control the government of Iraq).[31][32]

http://en.wikipedia....i#Homosexuality

 

I'm pretty sure if Sayyid Sistani had been more "political" etc., he would "lose" some followers. 

 

Even thought this fatwa are very "political". 

 

Question: What is Grand Ayatollah Sistani's opinion about Wilayat-e Faqih (governance of jurist)?

Answer: Every jurisprudent (Faqih) has wilayah (guardianship) over non-litigious affairs. Non-litigious affairs are called "al-omour al-hesbiah". As for general affairs to which social order is linked, wilayah of a Faqih and enforcement of wilayah depend on certain conditions one of which is popularity of Faqih among majority of momeneen.

Edited by Nima, 12 October 2013 - 01:14 PM.


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 01:52 PM

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 02:11 PM

^ I thought only us who grew up in Christian households had to destroy that myth of six.
And yes it is true sistani has spoken his support for Iran in the past he also studied irfan in private.


Well, there are actually many who follow Sayyid Sistani because (one of the reasons) that he is "apolitical". He keeps a lot to himself, and speaks little about politics...

But at the same time as Sayyid Sistani has been criticized after published fatwa regarding Shariah penal law. There are many of his followers who live in denial, where they believe that Sistani does not want muslim countries should establish shariah etc.
If you go to sistani.org, they have taken away questions regarding the death penalty, etc.


Homosexuality[edit]
In 2005 Sistani allegedly issued a fatwa on his website calling for the execution of gays in the "worst, most severe way". Following protests from UK-based Iraqi gay rights groups, Sistani agreed to remove the fatwa from his website except for the section calling for the punishment of lesbianism. Though the text of the fatwa has been removed its status has not been officially revoked. In January 2007, a United Nations report described the increased persecution, torture and extrajudicial killing of Iraqi lesbians and gay men by the Shia death squads of the Badr and Sadr militias (the armed wings of the two main Shia parties that control the government of Iraq).[31][32]

http://en.wikipedia....i#Homosexuality


I'm pretty sure if Sayyid Sistani had been more "political" etc., he would "lose" some followers.


Even thought this fatwa are very "political".


Question

: What is Grand Ayatollah Sistani's opinion about Wilayat-e Faqih (governance of jurist)?


Answer: Every jurisprudent (Faqih) has wilayah (guardianship) over non-litigious affairs. Non-litigious affairs are called "al-omour al-hesbiah". As for general affairs to which social order is linked, wilayah of a Faqih and enforcement of wilayah depend on certain conditions one of which is popularity of Faqih among majority of momeneen.


Edited by Maitham, 12 October 2013 - 02:10 PM.


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 02:43 PM

^ I thought only us who grew up in Christian households had to destroy that myth of six.
And yes it is true sistani has spoken his support for Iran in the past he also studied irfan in private.

Lol, I was kidding hehe.



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 05:37 PM

Probably nothing. Haven't you heard that some studies is showing that PMS is just a myth and that not every women are affected by that time of the month.


There have been studies that men also have monthly cycles. The only difference is a lack of physical proof (mensturation). But apparently men have hormonal ups and downs like women.

we believe the maraja are the representives of the living imam (aj)


There is a hadeeth from the 12th Imam that says that if anyone claims to be his representative during the major occultation, that person is a liar. I don't know who "we" are, but I certainly hope it's not Shi'a Muslims because your statement there does not represent authentic Islamic teachings. Rather, it contradicts Islamic teachings in a most serious way.
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Posted 12 October 2013 - 05:54 PM

Are you sure that was not not anyone who claims to have seen. Secondly there is hadith that says narrators of hadith are the hujjah on you A's well sixth imam approved of a man who issued fatwa.

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 07:28 PM

Sure and I am sure if we think on this we can find a number of rights anyways islamically the right on the husband is he works it is wajib and surpplies for his wife she of course has option to work and give her money but it is not a right on her and she don't have to. Men can bare hardship of a lifetime of working. Intellectually some work is too hard for women such as working the Jack hammer on road construction. Therefore intellectually certain jobs are better choices for women's ability than others like I said a marja May need to execute punishments under an Islamic government with little or no emotion. There were and probably are women mujtahid who are their own marja but they do not get permission to be followed. Following entails collecting money and distribution and execution of Islamic laws, interaction with males and their issues as well as female and their issues, and more.
Putting things on a creation that is beyond its capacity is why equality may lead to injustice as beside Islamic rights it is not putting things in their proper place intellectually as well men are more authoritative and thus why it seems they have a leadership role.
we believe the maraja are the representives of the living imam (aj)

 

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 03:25 AM

^ I thought only us who grew up in Christian households had to destroy that myth of six.
And yes it is true sistani has spoken his support for Iran in the past he also studied irfan in private.

 

 

Proof, dear brother?

 

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 04:11 AM

It is interesting that a lot of people here would say following some Marja but when it comes to questions on food, prayer(Salat), breaking the fast they still would send their questions to Sayed Sistani's office or would follow his jurisprudence on these issues. Come on, you all know what I mean. None of you can leave Sayed Sistani's Fatwas on prayer(Salat) for example. None of the others have this high and precise numbers of Fatwas on these issues, you can twist and turn however you want it.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 04:25 AM

It is interesting that a lot of people here would say following some Marja but when it comes to questions on food, prayer(Salat), breaking the fast they still would send their questions to Sayed Sistani's office or would follow his jurisprudence on these issues. Come on, you all know what I mean. None of you can leave Sayed Sistani's Fatwas on prayer(Salat) for example. None of the others have this high and precise numbers of Fatwas on these issues, you can twist and turn however you want it.

 

are you saying that people who follow other maraji' follow sayed Sistani (may Allah swt strengthen his life) in jurisprudence?

 

im pretty sure no one has the guts to do that.

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 04:32 AM

im pretty sure no one has the guts to do that.

 

Rather, none of them has the guts to admit it. For the sake of disunity it has to be someone else than Sayed Sistani. I am not against those who say that they follow and openly propmote some different Marja than Sayed Sistani. If they really follow another Marja, they should stick to him 100 percent and should not ask Sayed Sistani's office or representative on issues which 'their Marja' has no answer for or keeps silent on or is not clear about. Or else they should be silent and not promoting another Marja, which they even don't follow 100 percent themselves.

Or they can admit like Gypsy that they don't follow one Marja in all issues.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 06:25 AM

 

Rather, none of them has the guts to admit it. For the sake of disunity it has to be someone else than Sayed Sistani. I am not against those who say that they follow and openly propmote some different Marja than Sayed Sistani. If they really follow another Marja, they should stick to him 100 percent and should not ask Sayed Sistani's office or representative on issues which 'their Marja' has no answer for or keeps silent on or is not clear about. Or else they should be silent and not promoting another Marja, which they even don't follow 100 percent themselves.

Or they can admit like Gypsy that they don't follow one Marja in all issues.

 

 

yeah I saw Gypsy's comment.

I just have not seen anyone actually think its okay to do that.

 

but gypsy apparently does not follow a marji'.


I don't follow a marja always but when I do it's Sistani. He's very knowledgeable. He's not controversial. He has a very good reputation. And he has an interesting religious background via his family and teachers. The best thing about him is that he doesn't meddle in our affair. He mostly keeps to himself.

 

on what basis? did you come to your own conclusion? you do know that's not allowed right?

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 06:43 AM

Proof, dear brother?


Wa alaykum al salam

salaam I searched for it but only found his warnings and being against Sufi methods and things which are outside the teachings of ahlul bayt (as) which is not an issue in practical irfan as far as I know. I thought I read somewhere a statement from him years ago on sc but I assume I was mistaken.

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