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Unless the Imam of your mosque is a Mujtahid, or at least a very advanced Hawza student, he can't really comment much on how logical Syed FadhlAllah's rulings are.

 

 

Define 'meddling in our affairs'. You want a Marji' that just sits and gives yes/no answers, without any engagement with his followers? Is that what you think the Prophet Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå and the Imams (as) did?

Well, there are actually many who follow Sayyid Sistani because (one of the reasons) that he is "apolitical". He keeps a lot to himself, and speaks little about politics...

 

But at the same time as Sayyid Sistani has been criticized after published fatwa regarding Shariah penal law. There are many of his followers who live in denial, where they believe that Sistani does not want muslim countries should establish shariah etc.

If you go  to  sistani.org, they have taken away questions  regarding the death penalty, etc.

 

 

 

 

Homosexuality[edit]

In 2005 Sistani allegedly issued a fatwa on his website calling for the execution of gays in the "worst, most severe way". Following protests from UK-based Iraqi gay rights groups, Sistani agreed to remove the fatwa from his website except for the section calling for the punishment of lesbianism. Though the text of the fatwa has been removed its status has not been officially revoked. In January 2007, a United Nations report described the increased persecution, torture and extrajudicial killing of Iraqi lesbians and gay men by the Shia death squads of the Badr and Sadr militias (the armed wings of the two main Shia parties that control the government of Iraq).[31][32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_al-Sistani#Homosexuality

 

I'm pretty sure if Sayyid Sistani had been more "political" etc., he would "lose" some followers. 

 

Even thought this fatwa are very "political". 

 

Question: What is Grand Ayatollah Sistani's opinion about Wilayat-e Faqih (governance of jurist)?

Answer: Every jurisprudent (Faqih) has wilayah (guardianship) over non-litigious affairs. Non-litigious affairs are called "al-omour al-hesbiah". As for general affairs to which social order is linked, wilayah of a Faqih and enforcement of wilayah depend on certain conditions one of which is popularity of Faqih among majority of momeneen.
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^ I thought only us who grew up in Christian households had to destroy that myth of six.

And yes it is true sistani has spoken his support for Iran in the past he also studied irfan in private.

Well, there are actually many who follow Sayyid Sistani because (one of the reasons) that he is "apolitical". He keeps a lot to himself, and speaks little about politics...

But at the same time as Sayyid Sistani has been criticized after published fatwa regarding Shariah penal law. There are many of his followers who live in denial, where they believe that Sistani does not want muslim countries should establish shariah etc.

If you go to sistani.org, they have taken away questions regarding the death penalty, etc.

Homosexuality[edit]

In 2005 Sistani allegedly issued a fatwa on his website calling for the execution of gays in the "worst, most severe way". Following protests from UK-based Iraqi gay rights groups, Sistani agreed to remove the fatwa from his website except for the section calling for the punishment of lesbianism. Though the text of the fatwa has been removed its status has not been officially revoked. In January 2007, a United Nations report described the increased persecution, torture and extrajudicial killing of Iraqi lesbians and gay men by the Shia death squads of the Badr and Sadr militias (the armed wings of the two main Shia parties that control the government of Iraq).[31][32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_al-Sistani#Homosexuality

I'm pretty sure if Sayyid Sistani had been more "political" etc., he would "lose" some followers.

Even thought this fatwa are very "political".

Question

: What is Grand Ayatollah Sistani's opinion about Wilayat-e Faqih (governance of jurist)?

Answer: Every jurisprudent (Faqih) has wilayah (guardianship) over non-litigious affairs. Non-litigious affairs are called "al-omour al-hesbiah". As for general affairs to which social order is linked, wilayah of a Faqih and enforcement of wilayah depend on certain conditions one of which is popularity of Faqih among majority of momeneen.

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^ I thought only us who grew up in Christian households had to destroy that myth of six.

And yes it is true sistani has spoken his support for Iran in the past he also studied irfan in private.

Lol, I was kidding hehe.

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Probably nothing. Haven't you heard that some studies is showing that PMS is just a myth and that not every women are affected by that time of the month.

There have been studies that men also have monthly cycles. The only difference is a lack of physical proof (mensturation). But apparently men have hormonal ups and downs like women.

we believe the maraja are the representives of the living imam (aj)

There is a hadeeth from the 12th Imam that says that if anyone claims to be his representative during the major occultation, that person is a liar. I don't know who "we" are, but I certainly hope it's not Shi'a Muslims because your statement there does not represent authentic Islamic teachings. Rather, it contradicts Islamic teachings in a most serious way.

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Are you sure that was not not anyone who claims to have seen. Secondly there is hadith that says narrators of hadith are the hujjah on you A's well sixth imam approved of a man who issued fatwa.

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Sure and I am sure if we think on this we can find a number of rights anyways islamically the right on the husband is he works it is wajib and surpplies for his wife she of course has option to work and give her money but it is not a right on her and she don't have to. Men can bare hardship of a lifetime of working. Intellectually some work is too hard for women such as working the Jack hammer on road construction. Therefore intellectually certain jobs are better choices for women's ability than others like I said a marja May need to execute punishments under an Islamic government with little or no emotion. There were and probably are women mujtahid who are their own marja but they do not get permission to be followed. Following entails collecting money and distribution and execution of Islamic laws, interaction with males and their issues as well as female and their issues, and more.

Putting things on a creation that is beyond its capacity is why equality may lead to injustice as beside Islamic rights it is not putting things in their proper place intellectually as well men are more authoritative and thus why it seems they have a leadership role.

we believe the maraja are the representives of the living imam (aj)

 

 

thankyou :)

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^ I thought only us who grew up in Christian households had to destroy that myth of six.

And yes it is true sistani has spoken his support for Iran in the past he also studied irfan in private.

 

 

Proof, dear brother?

 

 

Wa alaykum al salam

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It is interesting that a lot of people here would say following some Marja but when it comes to questions on food, prayer(Salat), breaking the fast they still would send their questions to Sayed Sistani's office or would follow his jurisprudence on these issues. Come on, you all know what I mean. None of you can leave Sayed Sistani's Fatwas on prayer(Salat) for example. None of the others have this high and precise numbers of Fatwas on these issues, you can twist and turn however you want it.

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It is interesting that a lot of people here would say following some Marja but when it comes to questions on food, prayer(Salat), breaking the fast they still would send their questions to Sayed Sistani's office or would follow his jurisprudence on these issues. Come on, you all know what I mean. None of you can leave Sayed Sistani's Fatwas on prayer(Salat) for example. None of the others have this high and precise numbers of Fatwas on these issues, you can twist and turn however you want it.

 

are you saying that people who follow other maraji' follow sayed Sistani (may Allah swt strengthen his life) in jurisprudence?

 

im pretty sure no one has the guts to do that.

 

waslam.

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im pretty sure no one has the guts to do that.

 

Rather, none of them has the guts to admit it. For the sake of disunity it has to be someone else than Sayed Sistani. I am not against those who say that they follow and openly propmote some different Marja than Sayed Sistani. If they really follow another Marja, they should stick to him 100 percent and should not ask Sayed Sistani's office or representative on issues which 'their Marja' has no answer for or keeps silent on or is not clear about. Or else they should be silent and not promoting another Marja, which they even don't follow 100 percent themselves.

Or they can admit like Gypsy that they don't follow one Marja in all issues.

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Rather, none of them has the guts to admit it. For the sake of disunity it has to be someone else than Sayed Sistani. I am not against those who say that they follow and openly propmote some different Marja than Sayed Sistani. If they really follow another Marja, they should stick to him 100 percent and should not ask Sayed Sistani's office or representative on issues which 'their Marja' has no answer for or keeps silent on or is not clear about. Or else they should be silent and not promoting another Marja, which they even don't follow 100 percent themselves.

Or they can admit like Gypsy that they don't follow one Marja in all issues.

 

 

yeah I saw Gypsy's comment.

I just have not seen anyone actually think its okay to do that.

 

but gypsy apparently does not follow a marji'.


I don't follow a marja always but when I do it's Sistani. He's very knowledgeable. He's not controversial. He has a very good reputation. And he has an interesting religious background via his family and teachers. The best thing about him is that he doesn't meddle in our affair. He mostly keeps to himself.

 

on what basis? did you come to your own conclusion? you do know that's not allowed right?

 

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Proof, dear brother?

Wa alaykum al salam

salaam I searched for it but only found his warnings and being against Sufi methods and things which are outside the teachings of ahlul bayt (as) which is not an issue in practical irfan as far as I know. I thought I read somewhere a statement from him years ago on sc but I assume I was mistaken. Edited by Maitham

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Rather, none of them has the guts to admit it. For the sake of disunity it has to be someone else than Sayed Sistani. I am not against those who say that they follow and openly propmote some different Marja than Sayed Sistani. If they really follow another Marja, they should stick to him 100 percent and should not ask Sayed Sistani's office or representative on issues which 'their Marja' has no answer for or keeps silent on or is not clear about. Or else they should be silent and not promoting another Marja, which they even don't follow 100 percent themselves.

Or they can admit like Gypsy that they don't follow one Marja in all issues.

Nothing wrong with following multiple marja'iyya. They are all Alims.

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There have been studies that men also have monthly cycles. The only difference is a lack of physical proof (mensturation). But apparently men have hormonal ups and downs like women.

There is a hadeeth from the 12th Imam that says that if anyone claims to be his representative during the major occultation, that person is a liar. I don't know who "we" are, but I certainly hope it's not Shi'a Muslims because your statement there does not represent authentic Islamic teachings. Rather, it contradicts Islamic teachings in a most serious way.

 

You have completely misunderstood that narration. What a nonsensical, thoughtless comment to make - especially as it is coupled with aggression! The narration states that anyone who claims Mushahada is a liar. Now, there are two interpretations for what constitutes Mushahada; one is that it means Saffara, which is to be an ambassador - this is the most widely accepted; the other is that it simply means to see the Imam. It is unanimously accepted that the jurisprudence are the Imams representatives.

 

Rather, none of them has the guts to admit it. For the sake of disunity it has to be someone else than Sayed Sistani. I am not against those who say that they follow and openly propmote some different Marja than Sayed Sistani. If they really follow another Marja, they should stick to him 100 percent and should not ask Sayed Sistani's office or representative on issues which 'their Marja' has no answer for or keeps silent on or is not clear about. Or else they should be silent and not promoting another Marja, which they even don't follow 100 percent themselves.

Or they can admit like Gypsy that they don't follow one Marja in all issues.

 

That may be true with English speaking Shias, but I assure you that most of the Islamic world do indeed follow their own Marji's rulings.

 

I do completely agree with the gist of your statement though - people should follow their Marji' sincerely.

 

Nothing wrong with following multiple marja'iyya. They are all Alims.

 

That's not true, you cannot follow multiple Maraji'.

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You have completely misunderstood that narration. What a nonsensical, thoughtless comment to make - especially as it is coupled with aggression! The narration states that anyone who claims Mushahada is a liar. Now, there are two interpretations for what constitutes Mushahada; one is that it means Saffara, which is to be an ambassador - this is the most widely accepted; the other is that it simply means to see the Imam. It is unanimously accepted that the jurisprudence are the Imams representatives.

 

 

That may be true with English speaking Shias, but I assure you that most of the Islamic world do indeed follow their own Marji's rulings.

 

I do completely agree with the gist of your statement though - people should follow their Marji' sincerely.

 

 

That's not true, you cannot follow multiple Maraji'.

 

 

I think, you can maybe follow a marjeei here on a certain thing and there on a certain thing.

 

 

Wa alyaykum al salam.

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It is permissible to do taqleed of more than one mujtahid, and it is when you find the first mujtahid most learned for example in questions regarding worship such as praying fasting pilgrimage and so on, and the second mujtahid most learned in financial transactions.This is an admired method that every wise man selects in his daily affairs. - Sistani's Office (if my source is correct)

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It is permissible to do taqleed of more than one mujtahid, and it is when you find the first mujtahid most learned for example in questions regarding worship such as praying fasting pilgrimage and so on, and the second mujtahid most learned in financial transactions.This is an admired method that every wise man selects in his daily affairs. - Sistani's Office (if my source is correct)

 

salam brother, can you please show me the source? thanks.

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You have completely misunderstood that narration. What a nonsensical, thoughtless comment to make - especially as it is coupled with aggression! The narration states that anyone who claims Mushahada is a liar. Now, there are two interpretations for what constitutes Mushahada; one is that it means Saffara, which is to be an ambassador - this is the most widely accepted; the other is that it simply means to see the Imam. It is unanimously accepted that the jurisprudence are the Imams representatives.

I didn't realize that unanimity was one of the characteristics of the truth.  I guess I should become a Sunni.  Or maybe a Christian.  After all, the majority is always right according to you.
 

That's not true, you cannot follow multiple Maraji'.

Subhan'Allah.  I have found the aalim.  Wizdom claims more knowledge than half of our maraji' out there, and wow, he says it with such confidence too.  

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It is permissible to do taqleed of more than one mujtahid, and it is when you find the first mujtahid most learned for example in questions regarding worship such as praying fasting pilgrimage and so on, and the second mujtahid most learned in financial transactions.This is an admired method that every wise man selects in his daily affairs. - Sistani's Office (if my source is correct)

 

Several issues with that Fatwa:

 

1) An SC post is not a valid source. He should provide the actual letter.

2) I have highlighted the key area in red: How does a layman establish who is the most learned in each area?

 

 

 

I didn't realize that unanimity was one of the characteristics of the truth.  I guess I should become a Sunni.  Or maybe a Christian.  After all, the majority is always right according to you.
 
 

Subhan'Allah.  I have found the aalim.  Wizdom claims more knowledge than half of our maraji' out there, and wow, he says it with such confidence too.  

 

 

Your original post:

 

 

 

 

There is a hadeeth from the 12th Imam that says that if anyone claims to be his representative during the major occultation, that person is a liar. I don't know who "we" are, but I certainly hope it's not Shi'a Muslims because your statement there does not represent authentic Islamic teachings. Rather, it contradicts Islamic teachings in a most serious way. 
 

 

 

 
You accused a member of not being a Shia, simply because his opinion is different to yours. Bigotry at its finest.
 
You contradicted yourself in the second post too, so there's really very little for me to say. You attacked another member for expressing the mainstream view, and then attack me, for allegedly going against the mainstream view! Which, I'll add, is NOT the mainstream view. It is nothing more than a common misconception. I invite you to go and study Islam a little; perhaps speak to some Mujtahideen. I suspect that would be a waste of time for you though, given that your level of intellect is too low to fathom even the most basic concepts of Taqlid.

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Several issues with that Fatwa:

 

1) An SC post is not a valid source. He should provide the actual letter.

He did actually provide the letter in a later post.

2) I have highlighted the key area in red: How does a layman establish who is the most learned in each area?

By finding out which one has the most study in each area. Some Mujtahids are known to be more learned in a certain area and some are known to be more learned in other areas.

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He did actually provide the letter in a later post.

By finding out which one has the most study in each area. Some Mujtahids are known to be more learned in a certain area and some are known to be more learned in other areas.

 

This is extremely problematic. 'Known' by whom? Does having the 'most study' necessarily mean that they are the most able at deriving rulings? Who has the level understanding high enough to gage the abilities of different Mujtahideen, other than Mujtahideen themselves?

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This is extremely problematic. 'Known' by whom? Does having the 'most study' necessarily mean that they are the most able at deriving rulings? Who has the level understanding high enough to gage the abilities of different Mujtahideen, other than Mujtahideen themselves?

If a marja has studied finance specifically (specialization), I would follow his ruling in finance rather than one who only has vague knowledge about the subject.

 

I interpret that fatwa as "you can decide based on their qualifications". So we can gauge the abilities by their qualifications, just as you might gauge the abilities of an employee by his/her qualifications. I would not hire a carpenter to be a software engineer in my company, for example.

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