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#1 Usman



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:42 PM


I am from Jama'at-e-Ahmadiyya. I have very good shia friends. I am fond of reading books.

Reason for posting over here is that I had a different view of Shia Sunni debate books.

I am summarizing my understanding as under:

( 1 ) When Shah Abdul Aziz Muhaddis Dehelvi wrote "Tohfa Isna Asharia" or did sarqa of the book of Mulla Kabli ( as claimed by Shia debators ), many a shia scholar wrote the responses. A list can be found in many books including the one I have which is "Aayat-e-Muhakkamat". This book was written in response to Nawab Mohsin ul Mulk's "Aayat-e-Bayyanat". Author was Nawab's real brother.

( 2 ) I, after comparison, came to this conclusion that Imamia believe in the same Holy Quran. The only difference is that the Holy Quran according to order of revelation will be brought by the 12th Imam.

( 3 ) I also checked from various shia books that only sunni resources have been used to prove shia school of thought. I recently purchased the Urdu Translation of "Peshawar Nights" from Lahore.

Few days back I was surfing when came across this link of Lashkar e Jhangvi where 215 anti-shia books have been uploaded:


Is this possible if someone comes forward and share the shia responses or if responses to many books are not given then whats the reason? I can understand that there can be only three reasons why a response is not given:

Reason 1: The book cannot be refuted
Reason 2: The book is a repitition of old arguments already refuted
Reason 3: The book's arguments are already weak

If someone learned here can contribute I'll be grateful.



Edited by Usman, 28 March 2013 - 02:54 PM.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:58 PM

If its something on a LeJ site it's probably lies anyways. These people accuse Shias of adultry on Ashura. Some of them believe Shias have tails(true). Some believe Shias pray to Najaf. And when these peoples write books its ridiculous to give it any attention. They tell their people not to eat food at Shia homes because Shias spit in their food.

LeJ is a terrorist group not an intellectual discussion group. Their sites are filled with hate and sensational lies.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:31 PM


LeJ is a terrorist organization created by Zia government. On this link there are many books which are either not written by LeJ's Mullas or are written many years ago.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:03 PM

If you glance Haqq Char Yaar and Gift2Shia forums, it is filled with lies, deception, and filthy attitudes. Just yesterday I shot down a Gift2Shia link where a Deobandi showed me some filthy allegation regarding Ayatollah Sistani on another forum.

These people really think that we lie 24/7 courtesy of Taqiyya, go to Iran from our Hajj [yea, we have build a Kabaa in Iran], Allah speaks Persian when happy but Arabic when angry (astagfirrullah) we curse as a form of worship, we are Ibn Saba followers, we call gays and transgendered individuals to dance at our Masjids and lots of other filthy allegations.

If someone claims the following, it is to note that they are highly ignorant and of no use.
Their books are refuted, but they keep piling the same filth over and over again with different names.

ShiaPen for example academically refuted all the popular claims which you find on numerous Anti-Shiite forums.
If you like debates, I highly encourage you to watch Ayatollah Kamal Hydari's videos where he refutes all allegations of popular Salafist Ulema against Shias tit-for-tat.

Reason 2: The book is a repitition of old arguments already refuted
Reason 3: The book's arguments are already weak

That will be the reason for all.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:43 AM


Is there any brother/sister who has read debate books of sub-continent? Please guide me.


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 01:47 PM


Is there any brother/sister who has read debate books of sub-continent? Please guide me.


Brother I would recommend you to read
1.AL Murajaat- debate bw a shia scholar and a sunni scholar who was head of AL azhar

2.Books of Muhammad Tejani samawi

3.A irrefutable book of Indian scholar Allamah Sayyid Hamid Hussain Hindi called Abaqatul Anwaaar

4.Books of Allamah Sayyid Murtadha Askari

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:49 PM


Is there any brother/sister who has read debate books of sub-continent? Please guide me.




Check the following, it might help you in some way Inshalla:






Peshawar nights:



Murajat (highly Recommended)





Let us Understand Each other:


https://www.dropbox....i Dialogue).pdf



Much more can be found here about the followers of Ahlulbayt (s):




And I Disagree with the post that was shows on the Anti Shia Books:
I find them very Refutable, And Whats more Ironic, is that people don't
Provide Direct Authentic proof:


wa al salam.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:10 PM








Hazrat Abu sufyan(ra) and his wife(ra)  -- what will these people stoop to next.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 02:48 AM



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