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#26 Hoscyan

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:55 AM

LOL, you might want to look into the authenticity of that book before you start using it as proof.......

Looking oneself into the authenticity of narrations/books is not a simple matter, I think you will agree. Anyhow, our pious ulama regard it as authentic and I go by their deep research and knowledge. Furthermore, you should consider that the Imams of Ahle Mohammad have declared it authentic.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:29 AM

Yes indeed, they are the closest to the original shias. They believe that Imam Ali (as) should have become caliph, but at the same time, accept the first 3 caliphs (ra). Take a look at this narration from Imam Zayd (as):

"A group of their leaders assembled in his (Zayd's presence) and said: "May God have mercy on you! What do you have to say on the matter of Abu Bakr and Umar?" Zayd said, "I have not heard anyone in my family renouncing them both nor saying anything but good about them...when they were entrusted with government they behaved justly with the people and acted according to the Qur'an and the Sunnah"



Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4349:

It is reported by Zuhri that this tradition was narrated to him by Malik b. Aus who said:,,,,, Then he (Yarfa') came again and said: What do you say about 'Ali and Abbas (who are present at the door)? He said: Yes, and permitted them to enter. ,,,,,, When the Messenger of Allah pbuh passed away, Abu Bakr said:" I am the successor(arabic wali ) of the Messenger of Allah pbuh." Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr said: The Messenger of Allah pbuh had said:" We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest . And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah pbuh and Abu Bakr, you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that I am true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. I became the guardian of this property ,,

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:22 AM

Oh really,how? did they somehow deny tawheed?


Yes they did, They have committed Shirk al-Akbar! Have Allah given right to someone to appoint a Caliph?

وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ إِنِّي جَاعِلٌ فِي الْأَرْضِ خَلِيفَةً

Lord said to the angels: "I will place a succesor (khalifa) on earth... Quran [2:30]

يَا دَاوُودُ إِنَّا جَعَلْنَاكَ خَلِيفَةً فِي الْأَرْضِ فَاحْكُمْ بَيْنَ النَّاسِ

O David! We did indeed make thee a succesor (khalifa) on earth: so judge thou between people.... Quran [38:26]
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:25 PM

Funny when Shia's talk about shirk, lol. Nice job at taking those verses out of context.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:35 PM

Funny when Shia's talk about shirk, lol. Nice job at taking those verses out of context.


Out of context? :lol: Can you show me from Quran; that Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì has given right to someone else to appoint a Caliph or a Prophet or a Imam? :) I will wait Omar worshiper :)


Funny when Shias talk about shirk,


Alhamdulillah - we do not believe that Allah is young boy with curly hair like you :lol:

Edited by Rasul, 08 March 2013 - 09:38 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:44 PM

Alhamdulillah - we do not believe that Allah is young boy with curly hair like you :lol:





What do they tell you in your mosques oh boy ,poor people

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:48 PM

What do they tell you in your mosques oh boy ,poor people


''Ask Imam Ahmad'' he will tell you that your ''Allah'' is young boy with curly hair ;)
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:54 PM

What do they tell you in your mosques oh boy ,poor people


It's okay brother, these 12rs are extremely misguided.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:59 PM

Rather you are the misguided one :)

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

If imam Ahmed said that,then we reject it,he is not holy to us ;) Koran is thousand times before hadith

we are not shia to make up rules ;)

It's okay brother, these 12rs are extremely misguided.


I get the feeling their imams and "marjas" are incredible manipulators

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:09 PM

Well, then you are kafir according to ''Imam'' Ahmad because only Jahmis reject this hadith... ;)
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:27 PM

No one is kafir for rejecting a hadith,thats a shia thing ;)
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:56 PM

If imam Ahmed said that,then we reject it,he is not holy to us ;) Koran is thousand times before hadith

we are not shia to make up rules ;)



I get the feeling their imams and "marjas" are incredible manipulators


Brother it's all taqiyah, lol.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 09:12 AM

:lol:

Q: A Shia friend of mine does not believe that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was illiterate. He also doesn't believe in any of the hadiths of Sahih Al Bukhari, Sahih Muslim and so on. Is he a disbeliever---will he have to abide in hell forever?

A: If he rejected something known by default of Islam, he is a disbeliever. If he doesn’t believe in the Hadeeths in the Bukhari and Muslim, he is not a believer as there are lots of things that are in the Sunnah and not in the Quran.

http://www.assimalhakeem.net/node/1691
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 09:18 AM

:lol:

Q: A Shia friend of mine does not believe that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was illiterate. He also doesn't believe in any of the hadiths of Sahih Al Bukhari, Sahih Muslim and so on. Is he a disbeliever---will he have to abide in hell forever?

A: If he rejected something known by default of Islam, he is a disbeliever. If he doesn’t believe in the Hadeeths in the Bukhari and Muslim, he is not a believer as there are lots of things that are in the Sunnah and not in the Quran.

http://www.assimalhakeem.net/node/1691


(salam)

One thing they failed to take into account is that many Shi`ah hadiths agree with the hadiths from Saheeh Al-Bukhari and Saheeh Muslim, so we don't fully disbelieve in the Bukhari's and Muslim's hadeeths.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 08:52 PM


Brother it's all taqiyah, lol.




true ;D

Edited by bosnian-77, 09 March 2013 - 09:23 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:44 AM

Indeed brother, the Zaydi's are the only Shia group we can have true unity with.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:32 AM

Indeed brother, the Zaydi's are the only Shia group we can have true unity with.



Too bad they are minority

Edited by bosnian-77, 10 March 2013 - 06:32 AM.


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:21 AM

Indeed brother, the Zaydi's are the only Shia group we can have true unity with.


Whats wrong with the Twelvers?

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:22 AM

Indeed brother, the Zaydi's are the only Shia group we can have true unity with.



Too bad they are minority


Why dont you two become Zaydi? it'll be an improvement.

Edited by JimJam, 10 March 2013 - 08:24 AM.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:50 AM

Whats wrong with the Twelvers?


Much,but in my opnion the 2 biggest

1.they hate the 3 first caliphs,Aisha r.a

2.Their view on the "imams",,it reminds about Christianity to be honest

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:38 AM

Much,but in my opnion the 2 biggest

1.they hate the 3 first caliphs,Aisha r.a

2.Their view on the "imams",,it reminds about Christianity to be honest


If thats your view then fair enough, brother. Can i ask what is your purpose of joining a forum with a majority of twelver shias?

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:46 PM

Am i on a sunni shia dialogue part of forum or not? i dont care about what you talk if its no about sunnis

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:03 PM

Much,but in my opnion the 2 biggest

1.they hate the 3 first caliphs,Aisha r.a

2.Their view on the "imams",,it reminds about Christianity to be honest


you know what reminds me of Christianity, that you think Allah has hands and feet astagfiiruallah, or that umar is better than the prophet, or that prophets make mistakes, or that you can change the religion and make up your own laws after the prophet...
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

LOL you are really not the one to speak about changing religion laws

and everything else you said is just false,or something just a tiny % of sunnis believe



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