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(bismillah)

Dear brothers and sisters.

Lately I have noticed that Shiachat and it's members, including me have changed for the worse. Shiachat in itself is just a website, but it is also the biggest shia community. Granted that it is digital, but in todays day and age, it is equally reflective and mirrors what shias believe and how they behave than it does in physical life. Perhaps even more.

However, we are in a bad spot here. I am talking about the behavior and conduct of shiachat members, and their lack of understanding the effects of their words. Both how it affects other shias and how it looks in the eyes of our enemies. I am saying shiachat member, because I myself am a member and take equal part in this act.

Some points:

1. Issue: We are constantly criticizing the Ulama. Now this in itself is ok, but everyone knows by now that it has gotten way out of hand. We all have different marjas, and we all have different opinions on their actions. But that does not give us the right to cause turmoil in public. Shiachat, is public, and the worst thing we can do is to show the enemies of AhlulBayt that we have such low opinions about each other.

It often turns into personal insults and really bad behavior in the name of criticizing. What this does is create hatred towards each other, and nothing.....NOTHING, pleases the wahabis more than this. I have witnessed now from a discussion that i had with a wahabi that we are in bad shape. He specifically pointed out shiachat, and i had nothing to defend our behavior with. It truly broke my spirit, hence me making this thread.

1. Solution: No matter how the Marjas behave and how much we disagree, we must remember we are in the same camp. Marjas are our generals and we are the soldiers. The generals might disagree, and some generals might misbehave. But that does not give us the right to disrupt the peace between ourselves. The only thing we have in this world is Allah, Ahlulbayt and our brothers and sisters in faith.

Let us now focus on creating threads that show the unity we have. Let us create threads that are intellectual and smart in purpose. Let us create posts and threads that promote Shia Islam, not tare it down. This is what discomforts the wahabis and whoever is against the Ahlulbayt. This is what causes their despair and strikes fear in their heart, our strong unity.

If we happen to create threads that show sings of getting out of hand, it is the responsibility of every shia to respond with respect and behavior that the Ahlulbayt has taught us. Speak gently, and if someone disagrees, then respond respectfully and with dignity. If someone does go out of hand, let's all join in and stop such behavior.

I am certain, that when Imam Mahdi looks upon our behavior as of late, and i am sure he does, he is extremely disappointed. There is nothing wrong with holding back and controlling what you want to say.

Let us respect each others marjas and ulama, no matter how much we disagree, and show the world that we stand united regardless. I know it might sound cheesy, but this is the way it should be. If you don't believe in the Marja of your fellow brother or sister, at least believe in the brother or sister themselves and love them mainly because they love AhlulBayt. This is the code of Ziyarat Ashura!

2. Issue: Nationalism! Even though we perhaps never mention the nationality that we have a problem with, the undertone is there. What is this nonsense? Since when did Allah or Ahlulbayt love anyone for their passport and place of birth? It is clear as day that we have issues with nationalities, and sometimes it comes off as a joke, but any sane person that understands linguistics and how it is used, will see that there is a nationalistic tension between members.

2. Solution: Again, it is the responsibility of shia members to stop this. Everyone must join in and firstly correct their on behavior, secondly be smart and noticing such things, and finally speak out in a proper manner about it.

3. Issue: The urge to answer. We can see that sometimes someone creates a thread about Yasser Habib, or Nasrullah, or Shirazis, Khamenei, Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq, etc etc. And we have this urge to show our disgust with the article or case that the thread starter is presenting.

3. Solution: Control your urge as much as you can. You don't have to answer negatively to it every time, there is no purpose to it other than starting a big mess.

I am not ordering, i am merely asking in the name of Allah and everything that we hold dear, namely the AhlulBayt whom are dearer to us than our parents and our lives that we start changing. Pitch in and be constructive. Our main enemy is wahabis whom are killing Shias day in and day out, and they laugh and point their dirty fingers at us. This is the platform we can use to do our part in showing that no matter how much we disagree on certain issues, we won't let them have the pleasure of seeing it or taking joy from it.

I hope you take this into consideration.

Wasalam

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Senseless insults and bickering back and forth is extremely counter productive, but a strong indicator of how civilized any society is how the general public holds its leadership accountable, especially when authority figures are in the wrong. This is how we move forward, not by simply sliding difficult questions under some rug of unity, instead we have to tackle them seriously, that is without the sensationalist and irrational shouting back and forth. One of the biggest reasons muslims in general have not progressed is because we find it difficult to criticize ourselves and our leadership in a constructive fashion.

If there is to be unity within the shia community, it would have to be based on the core principles of adhering to the classical teachings of the prophets family, that is the core element that binds every shia together. When we deviate away from this, and get into topics such as taqleed, WF and shia politics, there is bound to be friction. We are obsessed with these contentious topics, if you are pro WF, or pro Shirazi, that is what you tend to expend most of your energy on, obviously not much in the understanding and implementing even the most basic teachings and lessons of the ahlulbayt. So naturally, a good place to start is to let go of our fanaticism and get back to our core beliefs.

Anyhow I agree with the general sentiment in your post, most discussions and arguments here are counterproductive, and I doubt much will change in the foreseeable future.

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Salam,

As you mentioned, It has happened countless times, that an SCer calling himself

shia adopts such a way of conversation that he dosent appear to know even

the "A" of ahlulbayt a.s.

We need to be Shias proper, not so called shias, pseudo shias.

Nice post brother Repenter.

Edited by Hasan0404

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Good post mashallah..unity between the Shia will only strike fear into the hearts of those who try to stand up against us. I think the following hadith will sum this up very nicely:

Imam Az-zaman al Mahdi (afs) has said: "If our Shia were successful in their obedience to Allah and united themselves on the aim to keep their covenant with us, the glorious news of our appearance would not have been long. Their bliss will be achieved when they meet us."

Source: Tahtheeb al-ahkam, vol.1, page 40

So let us do just that. Enjoining one another to the complete obedience to Allah (swt) and aim to keep our bay'ah with our Imam (Ajf). Also at the same time, prove to our opponents how our madhab is the only correct madhab out of all the others (including sunnis, salafis, ahmadis, barelvis, Ismailis, bohris, any other sect you can think of) which leads to salvation in this world and in the hereafter.

Edited by Labbayk

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uAlaikum Salam,

I fully agree with you Akhi, and no it is not cheesy for you to post this at all but rather much needed ! Reminds me of a saying of Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib (as)......

Words are in your control till you have not uttered them. But when you have spoken them, you are under their control. Therefore, guard your tongue as you guard your gold and silver, for often one expression snatches away a blessing and invites a penalty.

Yusuf Ali

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YES !

I am Shia but I was not raised as one . I wasn't even raised as a muslim. THIS is my 1st opportunity ever to be a part of a Shia community because where I live and come from we are few and far between. The wahabbis and salafis are united in hating us though. I know this because since before I became Shia I have been witnessing this hatred.

In fact the reason I became Shia is that I was originally a salafi and knew nothing about Sia but I kept hearing comments in the masjid against the Shia. Therefore I picked up a book and read about what the difference between us is/was and Allah (SWT) moved my heart to become Shia.

Now after all this I don't want to see bickering amongst us. The wahabbis don't even consider us to be muslims and there are others who don't as well. we are a minority. We really should do our best to be civilized with each other. Believe me I may not have been a Shia all my life but I HAVE been Black all my life so now I'm a double minority. I know the value of unity

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Salaam

Mash Allah very impressive

Please dont give any comments without thinking what effects would be the result.

We should be united and give our thoughts towards our beloved AhlulBayt, before we comment anything

we should ask ourselves, does this pleases or displeases our Imams ?

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(salam)

Repenter wrote about "nationalism". If we think of nationalism as "localism" and as part of a larger ummah, then it becomes a basis for some good.

It also becomes a basis for the unity of muslims like that expressed at this years OIC meeting.

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MashAllah brother..you are doing a good job ..my heart just jumps with joy when I see a man trying to save bibi Zainab's (S.A) mission :) brothers..now our enemies are trying to kill unity among us ..and at the same time they are killing us too..its time to wake up. I really appreciate and respect the author of the post (repenter) keep up the good job..its time now !

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Also i find that in several instances the Sunni schools are bashed by the shia's on this shiachat site.

i want to learn more about Sunni Islam and their schools and the differences because i live in a country with total population 1.4 million and of those 275,000 are Muslims, but only about 500-600 are shia and that may be an over estimate.

but i have several Sunni friends and co workers who are good Muslims, and i hate to hear generalized basking and consistent criticism of Sunnis.

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Also i find that in several instances the Sunni schools are bashed by the shia's on this shiachat site.

That's not entirely true.

A lot of Shias also get attacked/bashed/criticize here. Just ask the supporters of the Wilayah al Faqih or Yassir Habib.

I hope you are not implying we have to always be agreeable to everyone and everything.

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(bismillah)

I agree. And I would like to first apologize and seek the forgiveness of those who I may have ever offended, criticized too harshly, harassed, insulted, etc. from the Ulemaa' to the laymen. And May Allah [swt] accept from us.

I know we have our disagreements (and I'm sure we knows that even mods here butt ideological heads), but it's all for a better aim and what we think is best.

I think the most important thing to remember is that we are brothers & sisters in this affair (the Wilayah of Ahlulbayt [as]) and that at the end of the day, we are to love and respect one another on that level, even if we disagree with each other in whatever ideologies.

في أمان الله

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(bismillah)

(salam)

This is a great post, when I have debates with Sunnis online, they often refer to ShiaChat as a prime source of argumentation - it really has become a website that influences what other sects and indeed, other religions think of us. Therefore, our conduct must be of the best type.

(wasalam)

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