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Senseless insults and bickering back and forth is extremely counter productive, but a strong indicator of how civilized any society is how the general public holds its leadership accountable, especially when authority figures are in the wrong. This is how we move forward, not by simply sliding difficult questions under some rug of unity, instead we have to tackle them seriously, that is without the sensationalist and irrational shouting back and forth. One of the biggest reasons muslims in general have not progressed is because we find it difficult to criticize ourselves and our leadership in a constructive fashion.

If there is to be unity within the shia community, it would have to be based on the core principles of adhering to the classical teachings of the prophets family, that is the core element that binds every shia together. When we deviate away from this, and get into topics such as taqleed, WF and shia politics, there is bound to be friction. We are obsessed with these contentious topics, if you are pro WF, or pro Shirazi, that is what you tend to expend most of your energy on, obviously not much in the understanding and implementing even the most basic teachings and lessons of the ahlulbayt. So naturally, a good place to start is to let go of our fanaticism and get back to our core beliefs.

Anyhow I agree with the general sentiment in your post, most discussions and arguments here are counterproductive, and I doubt much will change in the foreseeable future.

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Salam,

As you mentioned, It has happened countless times, that an SCer calling himself

shia adopts such a way of conversation that he dosent appear to know even

the "A" of ahlulbayt a.s.

We need to be Shias proper, not so called shias, pseudo shias.

Nice post brother Repenter.

Edited by Hasan0404

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Good post mashallah..unity between the Shia will only strike fear into the hearts of those who try to stand up against us. I think the following hadith will sum this up very nicely:

Imam Az-zaman al Mahdi (afs) has said: "If our Shia were successful in their obedience to Allah and united themselves on the aim to keep their covenant with us, the glorious news of our appearance would not have been long. Their bliss will be achieved when they meet us."

Source: Tahtheeb al-ahkam, vol.1, page 40

So let us do just that. Enjoining one another to the complete obedience to Allah (swt) and aim to keep our bay'ah with our Imam (Ajf). Also at the same time, prove to our opponents how our madhab is the only correct madhab out of all the others (including sunnis, salafis, ahmadis, barelvis, Ismailis, bohris, any other sect you can think of) which leads to salvation in this world and in the hereafter.

Edited by Labbayk

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uAlaikum Salam,

I fully agree with you Akhi, and no it is not cheesy for you to post this at all but rather much needed ! Reminds me of a saying of Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib (as)......

Words are in your control till you have not uttered them. But when you have spoken them, you are under their control. Therefore, guard your tongue as you guard your gold and silver, for often one expression snatches away a blessing and invites a penalty.

Yusuf Ali

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YES !

I am Shia but I was not raised as one . I wasn't even raised as a muslim. THIS is my 1st opportunity ever to be a part of a Shia community because where I live and come from we are few and far between. The wahabbis and salafis are united in hating us though. I know this because since before I became Shia I have been witnessing this hatred.

In fact the reason I became Shia is that I was originally a salafi and knew nothing about Sia but I kept hearing comments in the masjid against the Shia. Therefore I picked up a book and read about what the difference between us is/was and Allah (SWT) moved my heart to become Shia.

Now after all this I don't want to see bickering amongst us. The wahabbis don't even consider us to be muslims and there are others who don't as well. we are a minority. We really should do our best to be civilized with each other. Believe me I may not have been a Shia all my life but I HAVE been Black all my life so now I'm a double minority. I know the value of unity

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Salaam

Mash Allah very impressive

Please dont give any comments without thinking what effects would be the result.

We should be united and give our thoughts towards our beloved AhlulBayt, before we comment anything

we should ask ourselves, does this pleases or displeases our Imams ?

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(salam)

Repenter wrote about "nationalism". If we think of nationalism as "localism" and as part of a larger ummah, then it becomes a basis for some good.

It also becomes a basis for the unity of muslims like that expressed at this years OIC meeting.

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MashAllah brother..you are doing a good job ..my heart just jumps with joy when I see a man trying to save bibi Zainab's (S.A) mission :) brothers..now our enemies are trying to kill unity among us ..and at the same time they are killing us too..its time to wake up. I really appreciate and respect the author of the post (repenter) keep up the good job..its time now !

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Also i find that in several instances the Sunni schools are bashed by the shia's on this shiachat site.

i want to learn more about Sunni Islam and their schools and the differences because i live in a country with total population 1.4 million and of those 275,000 are Muslims, but only about 500-600 are shia and that may be an over estimate.

but i have several Sunni friends and co workers who are good Muslims, and i hate to hear generalized basking and consistent criticism of Sunnis.

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Also i find that in several instances the Sunni schools are bashed by the shia's on this shiachat site.

That's not entirely true.

A lot of Shias also get attacked/bashed/criticize here. Just ask the supporters of the Wilayah al Faqih or Yassir Habib.

I hope you are not implying we have to always be agreeable to everyone and everything.

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(bismillah)

I agree. And I would like to first apologize and seek the forgiveness of those who I may have ever offended, criticized too harshly, harassed, insulted, etc. from the Ulemaa' to the laymen. And May Allah [swt] accept from us.

I know we have our disagreements (and I'm sure we knows that even mods here butt ideological heads), but it's all for a better aim and what we think is best.

I think the most important thing to remember is that we are brothers & sisters in this affair (the Wilayah of Ahlulbayt [as]) and that at the end of the day, we are to love and respect one another on that level, even if we disagree with each other in whatever ideologies.

في أمان الله

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(bismillah)

(salam)

This is a great post, when I have debates with Sunnis online, they often refer to ShiaChat as a prime source of argumentation - it really has become a website that influences what other sects and indeed, other religions think of us. Therefore, our conduct must be of the best type.

(wasalam)

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By god the growing numbers of akhbaris in my society has made the shia situation worst in the city

All are just fighting behind inshali or 3rd testimony or against ayatullahs usulis curse akhbaris and so on actually I believe there are some wierd fatwas of some faqihs which made the root of akhbarism, nevertheless to say hyderabad india is the grass root of akhbarism.

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"unity" will never happen when there are direct insults. There are a couple of members on this forum that keep personally attack me eventhough the post isn't relevant simply because I don't agree with their political views. They go beyond just picking on me and call me names like "Jew", "non Muslim", "cultural Muslim", and judge and accuse me.

And I am sure I am not the only one here and perhaps just an example.

I tend to be non confrontial with these people and now just ignoring them all together and praying for them but not everyone is like me. Also Shiachat can do so much.

I congratulate you mods on doing a good job (in most cases) but I think you can still do more. Shiachat can't unite Shias but it can remain to be a top Shia forum and online resource for Shias by monitoring such individuals closely and at the very least warning them. Somethings I think a lot of them are getting by too easily specially if they tend to have the same political views as the active mods.

Edited by Ali-Reza

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It all starts with education of the people. To teach them good qualities seen throughout religious tradition. But lack of proper education as well as an extremely gendered system of privilege is what stops unity. Unity requires both men and women to work, and what I'm saying has nothing to do with anything liberal but according to Islam. The day that oppression of women on a large scale as well as a small scale ends is the day that muslim countries, iran, shia communities elsewhere will be united.

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yes. unity amony our Shias must be the first priority ..... as seen the situtaion of Pakistani Shias in current elections .... there was not unity among in our own shias

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