I get what your saying. Parents have to be obeyed as well, but Allah SWT qualifies that.
That verse that was provided to you about olel amr pertains to the structure of divine religious hierarchy as their orders are absolute.
It's not the same as Islamic governance in the daily life of a Muslim, from his/her home and outside in terms of general affairs such as parents, city laws, etc. There are many places where Allah SWTqualifies whom you can obey, but not in [4:59].
The verse clearly states whom you should obey, and they are those in authority who abide by Allah and the Messenger. The verse clearly states this.
I've said this before, it's common sense, if the 'authority' was divine, the verse wouldn't need to say refer to Allah and the apostle because the authority is divine itself.
Do you just base your interpreation only on one verse and leave other verses. Are you telling me that God says its ok to obey a sinner. Lets say I agree with the idea of yours, even then your point does not prove anything since amongst the people, cant there be an infalliable amongst the people. Please think about this. Also it says refer it to Allah and his apostle since its the prophet who has brought the law and given it to the people. The Imams do not have any authority to bring or change the law.
You can present any other verses which are used to justify 12 divine Imams, they all have been clearly explained.
For the sake of argument, let's say "authority" means infallible (sinless) authority. Are you okay with that? The problem here is that there is no physical divine authority present to obey. While the Quran clearly states to obey the authority amongst you, but a divine Imam is not present hence Quran is not speaking of a divine Imam, otherwise the Quran would be contradicting reality.
It's simple logic.
Quran says to obey an authority amongst you,
Divine authority is not present,
Therefore the verse is not referring to divine authority.
I stand by my comment. The world is a better place with one Shia in it, than a world full of extremist Sunni.
Now you added the word "extremist" to sound a little better.
Edited by Ugly Jinn, 06 March 2013 - 02:57 AM.