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Ayatollah Shaykh Hossein Al-Mo'ed Becomes Sunni

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#1 Abul Hussain Hassani

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:24 PM

(I hope I am allowed to post this)

Shia Marja Ayatollah Shaykh Hossein al-Mo'ed converts to Sunni Islam:



Compare this man to Tijani

(Note: I am not using this video to prove that Sunni Islam is the true Islam).

Edited by Abul Hussain Hassani, 25 November 2012 - 05:26 PM.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:26 PM

Who?
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:33 PM

Salaam bro, I'm very interested in his arguments for this. Especially how he thinks about hadith thaqalayn and how he thinks about hadith of the 12 leaders...

Also I'd like to know his thinking on AbuBakr being the first caliph and not Ali...

Thanks.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:34 PM

(Note: I am not using this video to prove that Sunni Islam is the true Islam).


Then what are you doing?
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:34 PM

Astaghfirullah
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:47 PM

authenticated biographies are needed . Since I have googled his name and only reference is this post
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:47 PM

Oh this guy.. I don't know whether he's actually converted to being a full out Sunni now or not, but for a long time he's been someone who would be talking about Islamic "unity" and trying to defend the first three, condemning cursing, etc. If you go to his site he'll even say السيدة عائشة عليها السلام... So if he's finally jumped ship completely, it's hardly a shocker.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:56 PM

Oh this guy.. I don't know whether he's actually converted to being a full out Sunni now or not, but for a long time he's been someone who would be talking about Islamic "unity" and trying to defend the first three, condemning cursing, etc. If you go to his site he'll even say السيدة عائشة عليها السلام... So if he's finally jumped ship completely, it's hardly a shocker.


Is he actually a marja?
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:58 PM

List of Ayatollahs

http://en.wikipedia....t_of_Ayatollahs

Edited by ehlulbejt, 25 November 2012 - 05:59 PM.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:08 PM

Is he actually a marja?


He claims that. But would other scholars actually take him seriously as a peer is separate question though.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:23 PM

Why people so shocked about him becoming a Sunni when in reality some scholars mentality is not any different from his?.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:35 PM

People should be aware of the perils of a neo-Batri belief set and where it leads to. Thank God for Rafd.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:47 PM

Oh this guy.. I don't know whether he's actually converted to being a full out Sunni now or not, but for a long time he's been someone who would be talking about Islamic "unity" and trying to defend the first three, condemning cursing, etc. If you go to his site he'll even say السيدة عائشة عليها السلام... So if he's finally jumped ship completely, it's hardly a shocker.

So, he was a closeted Sunni?

Thank God his true nature is exposed. Good riddance.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:05 PM

Oh this guy.. I don't know whether he's actually converted to being a full out Sunni now or not, but for a long time he's been someone who would be talking about Islamic "unity" and trying to defend the first three, condemning cursing, etc. If you go to his site he'll even say السيدة عائشة عليها السلام... So if he's finally jumped ship completely, it's hardly a shocker.


even ayatullah khamanei - i think - says we should not publically curse the first 3 or ayesha.

it's not allowed because of disunity.

i'm a shia btw

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:35 PM

Ex Egyptian Sunni Scholar becomes Shia



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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:37 PM

even ayatullah khamanei - i think - says we should not publically curse the first 3 or ayesha.

it's not allowed because of disunity.

i'm a shia btw


First, not many agree with that view and even those who follow him would take that Fatwa with a pinch of salt and take it to mean, don't go out into the street and start cursing them and would find no problem in doing La'an (curse may not be the right translation) on them privately as our Hadith explicitly tell us to do Bara'ah with those who usurped the right of the Imams. Also, even if we agree with that Fatwa, not doing La'an and actually saying Alaihis Salam are two completely different things so don't extend his fatwa to mean even this!

By the way, Sheikh e Macci, can't you look up which scholar gave him the permission for Ijtihad?

Also, a side question that came to my mind, can the permission for Ijtihad be revoked?
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:53 AM


مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أَبِي نَصْرٍ عَنْ دَاوُدَ بْنِ سِرْحَانَ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ص إِذَا رَأَيْتُمْ أَهْلَ الرَّيْبِ وَ الْبِدَعِ مِنْ بَعْدِي فَأَظْهِرُوا الْبَرَاءَةَ مِنْهُمْ وَ أَكْثِرُوا مِنْ سَبِّهِمْ وَ الْقَوْلَ فِيهِمْ وَ الْوَقِيعَةَ وَ بَاهِتُوهُمْ كَيْلَا يَطْمَعُوا فِي الْفَسَادِ فِي الْإِسْلَامِ وَ يَحْذَرَهُمُ النَّاسُ وَ لَا يَتَعَلَّمُوا مِنْ بِدَعِهِمْ يَكْتُبِ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ بِذَلِكَ الْحَسَنَاتِ وَ يَرْفَعْ لَكُمْ بِهِ الدَّرَجَاتِ فِي الْآخِرَةِ



The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “When you will find people of bidah (innovation) and doubt after me, do barah from them and increase in your insults to them, and oppose (them) and bring evidences against them so they may not become greedy in bringing fasaad (corruption) to Islam. You must warn people against them and do not learn their bid`ah (innovation). Allah will write for you good rewards for this, and will raise you status in the next life".

Source: 1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kafi, Vol. 2, Pg. 375, H # 4
Grading: Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Saheeh (Authentic) Mir’aat al-Uqool, vol. 11, pg. # 77

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:52 AM

No big deal. Shias become sunnis and sunnis become shias. What I'd be interested in though is for those who leave shiaism behind, what status do they now give the Imams of Ahlul-Bayt ie. are they demoted to be in line with sahaba or is it some kind of sufi belief in their superiority, and someone who is at that level (whether a marja or not he must have knowledge) would hopefully be able to reasonably explain what led to the change.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:37 AM

^^ And I am interests what ex sunnis who became Shia, what status does they Give to the fake sahaba and what's their view on the sahaba crimes
How does it feel to curse the one you follow before ?
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:43 AM

authenticated biographies are needed . Since I have googled his name and only reference is this post


Yeah, I couldn't find much else either, does anyone have any substantial information about him apart from shiachat.com threads?

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:28 AM

(bismillah)

People should be aware of the perils of a neo-Batri belief set and where it leads to. Thank God for Rafd.


آمين آمين ، اللهم لا تخلّط فينا اهل البدعة واهل التقصير والبترية وقنا من ضلالتهم

Be warned of Salafi-style rijalism and Butriyya Unity.

في امان الله
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:48 AM

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:56 AM

Salafis give the title of Ayatullah to a Sheikh after he converts to Sunnism. Prior to that, he's still a majoosi.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:22 PM

He was way more shia scholar than Tijani ever was a sunni scholar. It seems his mindset didn't accept the shia versions from quite long time, ultimately he thought it is better to exit. Anyhow, for me, the one fine convert from Shi'ism to Islam was Nawab Muhsin ul Mulk, one of the greatest Muslim politicians of India.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:39 PM

To Islam? lol rather to majoos religion of Umar...
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