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The Umar Series On Mbc

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(salam)

Is anyone following the new Umar series on MBC? You can watch the episodes in Arabic online here: http://shahid.mbc.net/media/program/408

Unfortunately I'm not a native Arabic speaker, so no point watching it since I can't understand anything, but is it any good? From the few clips that I saw it seems they are covering the story from the Prophet's time onward (freeing of Bilal by Abu Bakr etc.).

Also, apparently they are showing the faces of some of the popular companions including Imam Ali and Umar - have any Sunni scholars spoken about this?

Wassalam

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(wasalam)

I watched some of an episode; and saw they depicted 'Abu Bakr, 'Umar and I believe Khaalid bin Walid. The Saudi and Egyptian Sunni clergy have gone bonkers over it;

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20120710129528 (interestingly enough, they don't mention 'Imaam Ali's (as) depiction in this article)

http://www.emirates247.com/entertainment/films-music/top-saudi-cleric-slams-tv-series-on-umar-set-for-ramadan-telecast-2012-07-07-1.466119

http://www.emirates247.com/news/region/saudi-prince-vows-to-stop-tv-film-on-muslim-caliph-2012-07-16-1.467428 (this "prince" wanting to take the network to court?)

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Salafis tend to generally be against it because it shows the faces of Sahaba and some of the actors are not exactly known for their piety. Plus the problem with a number of these series is that they're not completely historically accurate so some people see something on the show and they think that's what actually happened even though that may have just been something that the director or a writer made up to be epic or to kill some time, etc.

Details:

While i am of the view that it is extremely important to use media like movies to spread Islam, i would prefer it if they didn't show the faces of especially 'Ali (as) and the Prophet (pbuh) and there should be scholars who are consulted for every detail in the movie, because in a way, these movies/series are like hadiths; you're telling people what happened, and since this involves religion and actual events, we should be accurate.

And Allah(swt) knows best.

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Besides the very obvious issues with the show, it's got pretty good cinematography.

I think that's only advantage of the show. The money they spent on it really worked because the outcome looks very modern, something you would expect from the US.

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Show some respect when referring to Imam Ali (as)

I find your disrespectful tone disturbing wahabi

Erm can you please point out my disrespectful tone?!

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I might have picked up on something incorrect, but why was Umar by The Prophet (SAW) when he made Hajra into Medina? From what I recall within Hadiths & History, Umar wanted to kill The Prophet (SAW) while he was ALREADY in Medina. Sounds like they just exalted Umar a bunch.

Unless that guy in brown turban and dress isn't Umar...

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Are they going to show Umar running away from battle :)

They show everyone Ali included, it is so amazing,

Arent you guys strictly against showing faces of sahaba? And i think some of you even go to the extent of calling it an act of kufr.

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Erm can you please point out my disrespectful tone?!

When referring to Imam Ali (as). You dont just write 'Ali'.

And it is not great that actors are playing him - its disrespectful and offensive.

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I might have picked up on something incorrect, but why was Umar by The Prophet (SAW) when he made Hajra into Medina? From what I recall within Hadiths & History, Umar wanted to kill The Prophet (SAW) while he was ALREADY in Medina. Sounds like they just exalted Umar a bunch.

Unless that guy in brown turban and dress isn't Umar...

Umar became Muslim before hijra, around 616.

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I hope the people who object to the faces of the actors playing the Prophet (pbuh) and Imam `Ali (a) being shown also object to the faces of Maryam عليها السلام, Nabi `Isa, Nabi Sulayman, and Nabi Yusuf عليهم السلام, among others being shown in popular films and TV series.

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(salam)

Can someone go to 23:25 onward and confirm that the lady shown there is meant to be Lady Fatima (sa):

I think thats Abu Bakr (ra)'s daughter

Arent you guys strictly against showing faces of sahaba? And i think some of you even go to the extent of calling it an act of kufr.

Not Sahaba, the 10 promised paradise.

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Not Sahaba, the 10 promised paradise.

They show faces of members included in the party of 10 promised paradise, per Sunni standards.

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I hope the people who object to the faces of the actors playing the Prophet (pbuh) and Imam `Ali (a) being shown also object to the faces of Maryam عليها السلام, Nabi `Isa, Nabi Sulayman, and Nabi Yusuf عليهم السلام, among others being shown in popular films and TV series.

Yawn...Muslims dont like their holy personalities to be displayed on screen or in pictures. There is no reason/indication otherwise for you to post this.

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Yawn...Muslims dont like their holy personalities to be displayed on screen or in pictures. There is no reason/indication otherwise for you to post this.

Yawn...Muslims dont like their holy personalities to be displayed on screen or in pictures. There is no reason/indication otherwise for you to post this.

This is so coz of their internal love for each other............ :donno:

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Yawn...Muslims dont like their holy personalities to be displayed on screen or in pictures. There is no reason/indication otherwise for you to post this.

Right...

etc...

All these films are made in Iran.

Seems the only time most Shias have a problem with faces been shown is when it comes to the Ahlulbayt (as). Fallibles like Zaynab bint `Ali are given more respect than infallible Prophets.

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Seems the only time most Shias have a problem with faces been shown is when it comes to the Ahlulbayt (as). Fallibles like Zaynab bint `Ali are given more respect than infallible Prophets.

If you are mentioning them being depicted in film, then In all fairness, Zaynab bint 'Ali was a Muslim woman who would have her face veiled so they wouldn't be able to show it anyway. The Prophets (as) would probably not have their faces veiled.

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If you are mentioning them being depicted in film, then In all fairness, Zaynab bint 'Ali was a Muslim woman who would have her face veiled so they wouldn't be able to show it anyway. The Prophets (as) would probably not have their faces veiled.

The other women at Karbala were Muslim women with veiled faces as well, yet they were not portrayed in the same way (their faces or at least eyes were shown). Additionally, according to many reports, their face veils were ripped off in the aftermath of the battle, and they were not wearing them on the way to Shaam.

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Irans have actors for almost every Prophet LOL, they were going to make one for Muhammad SAW but everyone was against it

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Besides the very obvious issues with the show, it's got pretty good cinematography.

Agreed, the Arabic is easy to understand as well. I'm glad they didn't mix in dialects.

The cinematography is better than those Iranian ones.

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Am I seriously the only one who can't watch this without getting nauseous? They call omar Amir il Mu'mineen!!!!

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Slaamu alykum ya muslimeen wa muslimaat

eid mubarak al aDha

I was online looking at one actor portrayed in this film and found this thread. First, let me start out by saying that my name is actually 'Ali. The two closest relatives to me are hasan and hussayn. In fact we are blood relatives and have the family tree that shows we are direct decendents of rasulallah saws through fatima as. I am a muslim and I follow the sunna of nabi muhammad saws. I am an educated individual and fluent in arabi, english and a few other languages. I have studied the beliefs of the shia' and I have always come to a brick wall because the foundations are corrupt. As a muslim, we do not worship the dead or graves. The word 'ayatallah' and 'mulaana' are words that should not be ascribed to a person. THere are no saints in islam and no dead can help nor can they intercede for a living person. THere are not 12 "infallible" imams. No person was infallible besides the prophets (as). There is no "hidden" imaam.

Shia' do not believe in the same beliefs as muslims do so they are not upon the sunnah of naby muhammad saws.

It is with no doubt that muhammad saws loved abu bakr and umar ra. Muhammad saws was married to bint umar, hafsa ra. Umar's ra family was married to 'Ali's ra family as well. 'Ali served well under the khilaafa of Abu bakr, Umar, and Uthmaan ra as was the qadr of Allah ta'ala.

I know the shia' do not believe in ahadyth that muslims classify as sa7ee6 (authentic) but do your research. There is an enormous amount of information in ahadyth that points toward a clan of bany quraysh to take the khilafa and not one of the ansari people. This was abu bakr ra who was muhammad's saws best friend. From there he chose Umar ra and he then chose Uthmaan ra. 'Ali ra followed.

The prophet saws told of Uthmaan's ra coming and that tradgedy would befall him. This statement was done what rasulallah saws gave him glad tidings of jannah which was done many times. This specific times was done in Medina.

Abu lu'lu' was not a muslim. He was a kaafir. So take no pride in calling him your ancestor. I have many ancestors who I am not proud to say I am related to.

Any person who does not accept what Allah awj has ordained in this life is denying the power Allah swt has. If he wanted us to be on one path it would be so.

Al muslimeen conquered faaris (persia) as the prophet saws told about. We did so with ash-shaam too. Allah has willed all of this as well as our current state.

Any person who does not accept the khilaafa of Abu bakr, umar, uthmaan and 'ali ra then you are definitely not on the right path. THe shia' did not appear until khalifa uthmaan's reign.

a'isha ra was the prophet's saws wife and most beloved. If you are against her, you are against the most beloved of the prophet saws and saying his judgement is erred in having her as his wife. Also about abu bakr, umar and uthmaan ra as his advisers!

Understand what you are doing! THere is history, historical facts and all of these are history which you cannot destroy even if you wanted to. The prophet saws had daughters which are HIS daughters and considered his family. When you interpret only 'ali, hasan, husayn and fatima as as only the 'people of the house" how can you do so?

THe word Shia' in arabic means followers. 'ali, muhammad, hasan, husayn ra etc etc were all names of jahilyya. THis word shia' appears many times in al-qur'an al majiyd and it is very clear to one who studied arabi grammar and reads it in the context it was written.

Bany isra'yl followed their imaams and they went astray because they were lied to. The same things is happening with shia'. Your 'religious leaders' are lying to you or they are greatly erred.

If it were not for the khilaafa rashidun would not have a qur'an to read, please remember that.

As far as this series and the events they are correct according to history and from a sunnah perspective. Of course this is not told to you or taught to you. I knew of all of the events pictured prior to seeing all 30 episodes. And please do not talk of my upbringing ane me being brainwashed becuase you do not know my story. I swear by Allah ta'ala that I did not have any religious views growing up as I was an orphan in a non-muslim country. Allah swt gave me the truth and pointed me to the correct path al hamdulillah. It made me strong in many religions and beliefs prior to studying al-islaam. THe sahaba ra followed rasulallah saws and these done it because this is the qadr of Allah swt. Allah swt chose them for a reason as he chose this very moment and even this email.

All of the history you have is incorrect and will be incorrect until you understand history and study this diyn al-islaam as it was brought to you. Do not fall into the ways of bany isra'yl. Personally I do not find the american movement of "nation of islaam" upon islaam. Nor do I find "ahmadiyya" movement nor do I find the "shia'" up al-islaam. THe foundation is corrupted and therefore everthing after it is corrupted. I know a lot about religion including missiyaheen and al yahuud and the shia' is a mix of their beliefs. There are many similarities I could point out.

I have my opinion and you have the right to disagree with me. After all, the title said sunni - shia' dialougue so this is my opinion. I would love to hear your feedback.

Salaamu alykum to al muslimiyn was mulimaat wa al mu'miyn wa al mu'minaat wa al qanitiynn wa al qanitaat wa al mutisadaqiyn wa al mutisadiqaat wa al-sa'imiyn wa al-sa'imaat.

'ali bin hasan bin 'ali bin ahmad

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you shia are lost. Abu bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, may Allah be pleased with them all, they were compainions, nothing more so stop refering to ali like he's a prophet

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