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#1 starlight

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:06 AM

Salam,can anyone please provide me with reliable references to the hadeeth/ ruling saying that wife cannot leave the house without husband's permission. Jazakallah. Thank you

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:18 AM

Beat the living daylights out of her, I say!
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:42 AM

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Salam,can anyone please provide me with reliable references to the hadeeth/ ruling saying that wife cannot leave the house without husband's permission. Jazakallah. Thank you

There are many things a wife cannot do without her husbands permission.

She must not:
1.) Give sadaqah (charity) without his permission
2.) Do mustahab fasts without his permission
3.) And Leave the house without his permission. According to the hadeeth if she leaves the house without his permission, "the angels of the skies and the angels of the earth and the angels of the anger (wrath) and the angels of mercy will do la`nah (curse) on her until she returns to her house."

I have made a blog post, where I post a SaHeeH (Authentic) hadeeth stating these things. Click here: http://www.revivinga...n-his-wife.html

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Edited by Nader Zaveri, 19 June 2012 - 07:43 AM.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:02 AM

i asked about this before. just give her blanket permission so she doesnt have to check with u every time she wants to leave the house for something.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:11 AM

(bismillah) (salam)


SAYED SEESTANI
Q: Is the wife, in a temporary marriage obligated like in permanent marriage, to obey her husband in matters such as leaving the house without his permission, or not wearing hijab and the like.

A: it is not obligatory for her to obey her husband in not leaving the house unless her leaving impedes on his rights. As for wearing hijab, it not obligatory for her to obey him even in a permanent marriage.


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SAYED SHIRAZI
Q. My wife goes out without my permission, and from the rights of a man over his wife is that she does not leave the house without his permission, what is the ruling (hukm) regarding my wife's going out.

A. If she is only going out for social relationships which are good (anything that is not contrary to Allah's teachings) then there is no harm
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SAYED FADLALLAH

Q. Is it permissible for a woman to leave her husband's house without his permission. And is it compulsory for a woman to obey her husband and not leave even if it doesn't stand in the way of his rights according to the Islamic Law (Sharia)?

A. It is not permissible for her to leave his house if it is standing in the way of his right in attaining his full sexual pleasure, other than that it is permissible for her, although from a precautionary recommendation it is better for her not to.
If his full rights and needs are being observed then she does not have to comply, although the precautionary recommendation is that she does obey. But in general, the faithful husband should not resort to such behaviour with his wife because it is contradictory to a cordial relationship
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:53 AM

Salam,can anyone please provide me with reliable references to the hadeeth/ ruling saying that wife cannot leave the house without husband's permission. Jazakallah. Thank you


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The hadith that Nader Zaveri mentioned is in a book that is a commentary. The narration is from Imam Baqir AS who is quoting the words of the Holy Prophet SA:

The Rights of Men Incumbent Upon Women

Al-Hasan ibn Mahboob quoted on the authority of Malik ibn Atiyeh on the authority of Muhammad ibn Muslim on the authority of Imam Baqir (MGB) that once a woman went to the Prophet of God (MGB) and asked: “O' Prophet of God! What is the right of a man incumbent upon the woman?” The Prophet (MGB) replied:

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“She should obey him, and not rebel against him. She should not give away anything from his house as charity unless by his permission. She should not fast when not required to do so unless by his permission. She should not withdraw herself from him even if they are riding a camel. She should not leave the house without his permission. Should she ever leave the house without his permission, she will be cursed by the angels in the heavens and on the Earth, and the angels of wrath and mercy until she returns home.”


See "The Right of the Wife" or Right n. 20 here: http://www.al-islam....pective-rights/

Just click on "The Right of the Wife" and search for the word permission in that section.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:10 PM

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The hadith that Nader Zaveri mentioned is in a book that is a commentary. The narration is from Imam Baqir AS who is quoting the words of the Holy Prophet SA:

One quick mention regarding this hadeeth. There are two different version of a particular sentence, which changes the meaning.

One version taken from al-Kulayni's al-Kaafi: (Yoosuf al-Bahraani in his Hadaa'iq, Fayd al-Kashaani in his al-Waafi, Hurr al-`Aamili in his Wasaa'il al-Shee`ah, all of whom quote al-Kaafi with this particular version. Also, Qadi al-Nu`maani's Da`aa'im al-Islaam.)
فَقَالَتْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَنْ أَعْظَمُ النَّاسِ حَقّاً عَلَى الرَّجُلِ قَالَ وَالِدُهُ
She said: "O Messenger of Allaah, Who has the greatest right on man?" He (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: "his father"

The second version taken from al-Sadooq's Man Laa YaHDuruh al-Faqeeh (also quoted from Makaarim al-Akhlaaq)
فَقَالَتْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَنْ أَعْظَمُ النَّاسِ حَقّاً عَلَى الرَّجُلِ قَالَ وَالِدَاهُ
She said: "O Messenger of Allaah, Who has the greatest right on man?" He (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: "his parents"


As you can see it depends on which version of the hadeeth you take, it changes who has more right over the man, his father or both his parents (mom & dad). The ا (Alif) is added after the د (daal) to the naskh of al-Faqeeh making it plural to "his parents", while the ا (Alif) is dropped from the naskh of al-Kaafi making it singular to "his father".

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Edited by Nader Zaveri, 19 June 2012 - 04:19 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:35 AM

Beat the living daylights out of her, I say!


haha woOw... that is harsh... but then again why did she leave without permission. naughty naughty girl.... :no:

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:46 AM

haha woOw... that is harsh... but then again why did she leave without permission. naughty naughty girl.... :no:

I think the women need to go to one of those classes that are happening in Indonesia :shaytan:

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 01:43 PM

I think the women need to go to one of those classes that are happening in Indonesia :shaytan:

What classes? :o

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 06:32 PM

قَالَ وَالِدَاهُ
said: "his parents"


Parents (plural) is usually referred to by وَالِدَيْهِ or وَالِدَيْنِ etc (i.e. the 'ya' is used).

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 06:37 PM

Surely it would be common sense to let your husband know that you are going out for safety reasons?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:26 PM

so do woman have to explicitly get permission from their husband to leave the house, fast or give zakat.
Or is it that if they are forbidden they cant do these acts

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:11 PM

so do woman have to explicitly get permission from their husband to leave the house, fast or give zakat.
Or is it that if they are forbidden they cant do these acts


She would need permission, but if there was an understanding that she could leave the house for everyday things like going to the shops, then obviously she wouldn't need to ask each time.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:46 PM

(bismillah)

Parents (plural) is usually referred to by وَالِدَيْهِ or وَالِدَيْنِ etc (i.e. the 'ya' is used).


This is only when the word is mansoob or majroor. The marfoo` dual form is created with alif+noon, والدان and so when the dhameer is attached, the noon i`raabi is dropped = والداه\

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:22 PM

Dude no, Islamis not chauvinist. In fact, I would say both man and wife need each other's positions.



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